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[quote]100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
100meters wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
So SteelyD on record: against job creation/saving economy. Strange position.

I’m not quite sure I read where I said that anywhere in this thread. Please find where I said that.

you rejected at face value the saving of economy and jobs, i.e. the stimulus. Did you forget that already?

No stimulus = millions more jobs lost and continuing downward spiral of economy. And you reject it.

Clearly not one of our brighter Americans are you?

We reject GOVERNMENT spending for stimulating the economy. It’s the projects. There is no long term sustainable projects bub.

I work in that industry. Build a building in DC, A Waterpark in FL, Redesign the Government center in Sacramento, fix some windows, put a few patches in the potholed streets, build some underground pipeline.

The materials and labor WILL stimulate ok, but for a short term only and only in sectors who serve the government. Other than that, it does nothing of real value to citizens.

The big tax break Obama promised sums up to about 13 dollars a week of extra income!! Damn. So are we going to stimulate the economy by buying a couple extra cups of coffee a week?

Sr. citizens on SS will get a one time check for 250!! Wow…

BUT 40 Million will go into protecting a rare mouse in a Bay Area county!

IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

The manner in which it is built is doomed to fast failure.

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?[/quote]

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

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Putin speaking at Davos. Dam even the old commies get it better then the ruling party here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123317069332125243.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Although additional protectionism will prove inevitable during the crisis, all of us must display a sense of proportion.

Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake.

True, the state’s increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent.

The concentration of surplus assets in the hands of the state is a negative aspect of anti-crisis measures in virtually every nation.

In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

And one more point: anti-crisis measures should not escalate into financial populism and a refusal to implement responsible macroeconomic policies. The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the accumulation of public debts are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing.

(Edit: corrected link)

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Putin speaking at Davos. Dam even the old commies get it better then the ruling party here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122091796187012529.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Although additional protectionism will prove inevitable during the crisis, all of us must display a sense of proportion.

Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake.

True, the state’s increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent.

The concentration of surplus assets in the hands of the state is a negative aspect of anti-crisis measures in virtually every nation.

In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

And one more point: anti-crisis measures should not escalate into financial populism and a refusal to implement responsible macroeconomic policies. The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the accumulation of public debts are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing.[/quote]

This was Putin who wrote this? The link doesn’t go to this posting.

Surprising, nonetheless.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Putin speaking at Davos. Dam even the old commies get it better then the ruling party here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122091796187012529.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Although additional protectionism will prove inevitable during the crisis, all of us must display a sense of proportion.

Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake.

True, the state’s increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent.

The concentration of surplus assets in the hands of the state is a negative aspect of anti-crisis measures in virtually every nation.

In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

And one more point: anti-crisis measures should not escalate into financial populism and a refusal to implement responsible macroeconomic policies. The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the accumulation of public debts are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing.

This was Putin who wrote this? The link doesn’t go to this posting.

Surprising, nonetheless.[/quote]

I fixed the link in the original post. Sorry about that. It was a link to a text of his speech given at Davos.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

[/quote]

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

[/quote]

You are such a partisan hack you won’t even admit you’re wrong when it’s thrown down in front of you.

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I’m sure they will investigate it really really closely so as not to waste the taxpayer’s money.

Rat board…how Orwellian?

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/AccountabilityLanguage02-13-09.pdf

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

You are such a partisan hack you won’t even admit you’re wrong when it’s thrown down in front of you.

[/quote]
No, it’s a lie, see? Just made up. The washington times is just spreading the lie get it?

You could read the bill for yourself right? But since you won’t…

Again just about every complaint made against the stimulus thus far in these boards has been based on intentional lies made by your party leaders then spread by FOX, Washington Times, Drudge, Rush, etc. Time to stop listening to them don’t you think?

And of course I accept your apology in advance.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

[/quote]

Listen up…I SEE this brand of fucked up legislation every frickin day where I live and it stinks.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

You are such a partisan hack you won’t even admit you’re wrong when it’s thrown down in front of you.

No, it’s a lie, see? Just made up. The washington times is just spreading the lie get it?

You could read the bill for yourself right? But since you won’t…

Again just about every complaint made against the stimulus thus far in these boards has been based on intentional lies made by your party leaders then spread by FOX, Washington Times, Drudge, Rush, etc. Time to stop listening to them don’t you think?

And of course I accept your apology in advance.

[/quote]

That’s a lie. Made up by your side. Have a nice day! But if it’s true, then you got a good point.

Listen…it’s a believable thing when we see STD, ACORN and other lame ass shit in the bill…which are true. I appreciate the link.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
100meters wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

40 million for a mouse absolutely doesn’t make sense.
Of course, that’s because it’s made up, by folks paid to lie. You are a sucker.
Jeebus is every point in here a made up Republican talking point?

Ok I was wrong…It’s 30 Million.

Uh, no. It’s zero. Remember I said made up Republican talking point, and you fell for it, hence you’re a sucker.

You are such a partisan hack you won’t even admit you’re wrong when it’s thrown down in front of you.

No, it’s a lie, see? Just made up. The washington times is just spreading the lie get it?

You could read the bill for yourself right? But since you won’t…

Again just about every complaint made against the stimulus thus far in these boards has been based on intentional lies made by your party leaders then spread by FOX, Washington Times, Drudge, Rush, etc. Time to stop listening to them don’t you think?

And of course I accept your apology in advance.

That’s a lie. Made up by your side. Have a nice day! But if it’s true, then you got a good point.

Listen…it’s a believable thing when we see STD, ACORN and other lame ass shit in the bill…which are true. I appreciate the link.[/quote]
Huh, no it is a lie. That’s what “made up” means. A republican made this up, knowing enough sheep would believe it. The goal of coarse is to turn folks off the stimulus, but what does it say that they do it by lying.

Hilariously, thus far every nut in here’s objection to the stimulus has been based on lies:
30 million dollar mouse
40 billion for Acorn (already debunked in that thread, but you mention it anyway!)
Health provisions slipped into stimulus
New Deal didn’t work (other than raising GDP and lowering unemployment I guess)

I mean this is seriously crack-pot stuff easily debunked by “reading”, yet every nut in here buys it.

And most amazing, not one nut re-directs their anger to the folks deliberately lying to them, amazingly they’ll still listen to Rush, FOX, Hannity, Drudge, etc.

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[quote]100meters wrote:

<< Leftist Blather…>>[/quote]

Again- So, what school, minority/protected-group, government agency, union, non-profit, or NGO do you belong to or work for? Alternatively, how much welfare do you collect?

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:

<< Leftist Blather…>>

Again- So, what school, minority/protected-group, government agency, union, non-profit, or NGO do you belong to or work for? Alternatively, how much welfare do you collect?

[/quote]

I think this was my point, instead of being mad at posters who lied, spread lies, or the sources who started the lies, you’re attacking me.

Wierd.

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Not attacking, just trying to get a perspective of where you’re coming from.

You seem to be angry at media entertainers, and keep going back to a couple point sources of information (ie entertainment, not news).

The only people I know that persistently attack FOX, FOX personalities, and Drudge (who is just an outlet for many news sources) generally fall into those categories I listed.

So, which one are you?

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Not attacking, just trying to get a perspective of where you’re coming from.

You seem to be angry at media entertainers, and keep going back to a couple point sources of information (ie entertainment, not news).

The only people I know that persistently attack FOX, FOX personalities, and Drudge (who is just an outlet for many news sources) generally fall into those categories I listed.

So, which one are you?[/quote]

I’m not angry (I mean the $40 Billion for Acorn! type posts are funny to me, don’t know about the other “readers/liberals” in here), just curious…

If your main sources of information are paid liars, and it doesn’t bother you and others that they lie to you, that would say to me that you like the lies, but like all republicans today, your whole point of view is based on lies and misinformation. So I always wonder what the actual motivation of republicans is.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Not attacking, just trying to get a perspective of where you’re coming from.

You seem to be angry at media entertainers, and keep going back to a couple point sources of information (ie entertainment, not news).

The only people I know that persistently attack FOX, FOX personalities, and Drudge (who is just an outlet for many news sources) generally fall into those categories I listed.

So, which one are you?

I’m not angry (I mean the $40 Billion for Acorn! type posts are funny to me, don’t know about the other “readers/liberals” in here), just curious…

If your main sources of information are paid liars, and it doesn’t bother you and others that they lie to you, that would say to me that you like the lies, but like all republicans today, your whole point of view is based on lies and misinformation. So I always wonder what the actual motivation of republicans is.

[/quote]

The actual motivation is the corruption your party has leaking from every inch of it. From not paying taxes, to ethics issues from the dem rep who heads the house means and ways commitee, to senate appointees lying about illegal actions to secure vacated senate seats. So excuse me if I don’t believe the dems.

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Can anyone get the actual 100% breakdown of where these monies are going to bespent? Unliklely. We all know that special interest groups (aka ACORN) will be getting money that has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy. People can interpret what is public information all we like; we all understand that the reality is somewhere in the middle. The hard part is that most of the media outlets are VERY liberal and are soft on the hard truth (unless it suits their agenda).

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:

<< Leftist Blather…>>

Again- So, what school, minority/protected-group, government agency, union, non-profit, or NGO do you belong to or work for? Alternatively, how much welfare do you collect?

[/quote]

He will never answer a direct question. He will just spin it with more disinformation.

I suspect he works for Barney Frank since they use the same tone when they write about politics. Perhaps a personal aide…

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[quote]Dr_Razor wrote:
Can anyone get the actual 100% breakdown of where these monies are going to bespent? Unliklely. We all know that special interest groups (aka ACORN) will be getting money that has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy. People can interpret what is public information all we like; we all understand that the reality is somewhere in the middle. The hard part is that most of the media outlets are VERY liberal and are soft on the hard truth (unless it suits their agenda).[/quote]

Here is the information. It was deemed to important to read before congress voted on it by the way.

http://readthestimulus.org/

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[quote]100meters wrote:

If your main sources of information are paid liars, and it doesn’t bother you and others that they lie to you, that would say to me that you like the lies, but like all republicans today, your whole point of view is based on lies and misinformation. So I always wonder what the actual motivation of republicans is.

[/quote]

Let me guess, besides benefiting directly from government money or being associated with a school (or one of the others I mentioned), you think CBS, MSNBC, The Boston Globe, and NPR are shining examples of ‘objective news’…