I never used the fact that we’re online as an argument against you being serious. The question about you being like that in real life was unrelated, just out of curiosity. I was surprised at you getting mad (or sounding like you are) at a joke, not because are online.
Well I was about to when you prompted him to list other biotest supplements that don’t suit well with a keto diet but he beat me to it. I just didn’t have much to add but I did share some of his points, and that’s the reason for the likes. Are we going to engage in an argument over that too?
I reminded you of that because you mentioned having bigger muscles, not just being bigger. You might weight more than me, but I’m pretty damn sure I have bigger muscles than you. Not sure I’m “bigger” if we factor in body fat though.
I’ll post one onto my log tonight so we can all be happy and sleep well tonight.
Just adjusting your memory. It was a complete sh-t storm where by all accounts we witnessed one individual disagreeing with everyone else and all published accounts of a type of training that had existed for at least 50 years, for what I can only assume was some ridiculous attempt at pretending he knew something that no one else did… in hindsight it was a big indicator of how ridiculous things had gotten on these forums.
why would that be true? You said your chest isn’t failing when you press. Your triceps are. So why would making your chest a little tired change that? The idea would be to use the same weight as you currently do, but have your chest and triceps failing simultaneously rather than the triceps failing without chest failure.
That’s not a good understanding of the bench press, I’m afraid.
If you are trying to build your chest, which is probably the case if you use pre fatigue, wouldn’t you make the modifications to your technique necessary to turn the bench press into more of a chest exercise?
If you flare your elbows, take a wider grip (or even better use dbs), arch your back, and only use 2/3rds of the ROM, as well as focus on your mmc with the pecs, wouldn’t you say the bench press is more of a chest builder than it is a triceps builder?
not at all. I would, instead, find a different exercise that is better suited for chest building that stresses the chest more.
not particularly.
first off, you can’t really focus much on the MMC with your chest on a barbell bench press. It’s just not an easy thing to do, because your hands can’t shift laterally through the press. With dumbbells, you can, so if that’s what we’re talking about, then ok. But if you’re switching to dumbbells, then it’s the fly-like action that is working the chest more, the fact that your grip is wider at the bottom of the movement, and you bring the bells together at the top. That’s a good way to get a strong chest contraction, but it has nothing to do with an arched back or range of motion. If anything, the range of motion is extended in a db bench press, because of the lateral travel along with the vertical travel, of your hands.
I bench press the only way I safely can. I don’t alter the movement to work different muscle grips. That would be an injury waiting to happen. I arch my back to take stress off my shoulders, and touch the bar low on my chest. I don’t try to forcefully flare or tuck my elbows. I just focus on proper bar path. If chest development was important to me, I’d do a lot of dips and flys to accompany the bench press. I’d also do more work on machines to focus on the MMC, most likely. Maybe even some unilateral pressing.
I still like to comment on the fact that one of my favorite things about transitioning from MMA forums to lifting forums is that, instead of 2 guys talking about who could kick the other one’s ass, when things get down and dirty, we talk about who is the prettier of the two.
You philosophers…ass kicking is totally objective, cue the octagon 'bro; pretty is totally subjective, there’s a reason “beauty is in the eyes of the beholder” is a cliche.
When two philosophers argue, is there ever a right or a wrong? Copouts…
The problem here is looking at this from an engineering perspective. You can’t. When the target muscle fatigues, there is a loss of activation , causing the assisting muscles to take over to complete the lift.
For example, for guys with weaker quads, when your quads fatigue, the glutes take over. Which is why you are unable to ascend from the bottom until your ass rises to a position where it is able to fully take on the load. Which is the good morning position.
1- the chest, a larger muscle requiring more work to fatigue it, is weakened but not truly fatigued, hence it goes into the compound movement as the weaker, not the stronger muscle involved. The actual fatigue occurs at the end of the compound movement where it can contribute to stimulating muscle growth whereas it might never occur in the normally stronger muscle without the pre-exhaust approach.
2- if the chest were truly fatigued from a Pre-exhaust isolation movement, the triceps would start the motion of the bench press but probably dump the weights on the lifters face from lack of ability to balance the load.
I completely agree with this lol. I would even say pre-fatiguing can enhance activation for a seasoned lifter. If the lifter is consciously attempting to utilize his chest during the lift.
The problem is that people nowadays only think about moving the weight from point A to point B because it’s all about fullbody 5x5 and “training movements, not muscles”. In this case, the lifter is not consciously thinking about using his chest to move the weight. From an enginerring perspective, the chest should be working harder but it is, in fact, working less since it loses activation while the stronger(relative to the already fatigued chest) muscle takes over the movement.
The study @lucasmon was referring to used casual lifters IIRC and showed this.
@dt79 Great points. Ask 10 beginners to do pullups only for their “back muscles”, and you’re gonna get 10 (very) different looking backs. Including the one guy with giant biceps and, still, no back muscles to speak of at all LOLLLL.
Yes, that’s right. If a beginner pre-fatigues either his triceps or chest, I’ll bet you’ll even see him end up using different bar paths trying to get an advantage in leverage according to which muscle were pre-fatigued.