*Not Another* V-Diet Blog

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Hi everyone! First time poster, long time reader.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I am writing a V-Diet blog on myspace outlining my daily progress. In addition to a daily journal, I will also be taking weekly photos.

To give a brief overview of myself, I’m 23 y/o, 6’1", 184 lbs (going into diet), and I’d estimate 12-14% bf…

I am very serious about staying strict and giving everything I’ve got into achieving maximum results with this diet! I am sick and tired of looking… mediocre!!!

My before picture is right on the main page… Any semi-qualified people want to take an estimate as to my bodyfat %? I’m getting readings of 13%, avg, using skinfold and tanita scale

Also, feel free to “friend me” on myspace, if you so desire…

Again, I’d like to thank the contributors, official and otherwise, for giving me the tools necessary to plan a diet that will be tremendously successful. I am currently finishing up day 2 thus far!

In addition to my myspace, I will try to update this thread as well (unless it becomes hopelessly buried)! Any advice anyone is willing to offer is always appreciated! I’ve been lifting since I was 11 years old but I always strive to keep the frame of a “student” willing to learn more!

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Even though you have a good attitude, you might get flamed for cutting while still so skinny.

That said, post your v-diet log on here, too.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Even though you have a good attitude, you might get flamed for cutting while still so skinny.

That said, post your v-diet log on here, too.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply.

That’s fine… Please flame away, although I’d appreciate it if it was worded in a constructive manner(directed toward all, not you rrjc).

Yes, that is a very fair assessment… I have been skinny/small framed guy all my life, heck my wrists are barely 7" in circumference! With that being said, however, at 185 lbs, I think enough muscular density/mass to warrant myself getting shredded just based on the fact that I am able to lift very heavy. If you disagree and think I’m wasting my time, feel free to share your thoughts.

To give you some idea of my current strength, I currently squat 315x10, bench 225x10, and deadlift 335x10 (if that helps)…

After this cut, I plan on using my motivational momentum and newly acquired eating habits as ammunition for a bulk up to 200 pounds lasting 3-4 months.

Will post my log below…

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Day 1: January 20th
I usually never consume caffeine, as my energy levels have always been pretty high throughout the day. With that being said, I am definitely feeling the affects of my current dose of morning/afternoon caffeine more than I anticipated!

Mixing my sugar-free fiber supplement and creatine powder together is very unpleasant! The texture was unbearable, I reluctantly threw it up and had to start over again! From now on I will definitely drink them in seperate glasses.

I am also not accustomed to drinking so much water in the course of the day. If you’re cutting, however, it is extremely important. Due to the amount of toxins stored in adipose tissue, the process of lipolysis is inhibited if your liver/kidneys are not able to flush the toxins given sufficient water…

I am also going to be changing my diet ever-so-slightly. Instead of the 3 scoops of protein powder I planned on taking in the morning, I will now be taking two. The (third) scoop will become one scoop I take right before bedtime…

I lifted weights today and that went okay… No lack of motivation or energy. I am not on a split routine, I work total body and utilize lots of compound exercises. I spend usually 1:15 in the gym.

Overall, no complaints… I’m feeling pretty good thus far… Although the smell of other people eating food is really getting to me.

Day 2: January 21st

Today wasn’t too bad at all!. Although I’ve had cravings for certain types of food, I have not been overly hungry throughout the day. The supplemental fiber, creatine, and caffeine was much easier to consume today. I did not find myself jittery due to the caffeine.

I did cardio today at approximately 10pm. It was rainy, windy, and cold. I did hill sprints. When I got home I could tell my body was out of carbs/glycogen and I began to feel dizzy. I quickly consumed my Surge(carbs+protein) and felt better. I’m not surprised I ‘hit the wall’ after that run… Not only was it difficult and demanding, it happened at 10pm and I had only consumed ~40 grams of carbs thus far… Today, however, was an exception… I always try to finish my cardio atleast before 7 pm.

Tomorrow I will be hitting the weights very hard (total body routine)… I am interested in seeing what kind of effort I am going to be able muster on day 3 of my V-diet.

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Why are you doing hill sprints on the V-Diet?

What else have you changed?

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Good luck. I’m gearing up to do the V-diet starting in the net 4-6 weeks. I’ll try to keep up to date with your progress here and on myspace.

One question, with the hill sprints, aren’t you afraid of burning up too much muscle? That was one of the key points of the V-diet. Do what works for you, but I would be weary of losing muscle.

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[quote]oldskinnyfat wrote:
Why are you doing hill sprints on the V-Diet?

What else have you changed?[/quote]

As far as I know, this is the only thing that differs from Chris Shugart’s original diet plan… Chris wears a weight vest and does low-intensity cardio over a medium duration…

I will do high-intensity, interval cardio over a short duration. Conventional wisdom might suggest that I am subject to catabolysis by doing this. I think it is reasonable to suggest that my mode of cardio is equivalent in catabolic affects as compared to the fasted LISS routine that Chris Shugart performs. But then again, I’m no expert.

I may be wrong and this activity could hurt my progress. But with all due respect to Chris Shuggart and the other contributors, per my interpretation of the various parameters, I am not convinced that I need to eliminate my preferred mode of cardio COMPLETELY (reduced duration & increased intensity is my aim).

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[quote]Nothingface wrote:
Good luck. I’m gearing up to do the V-diet starting in the net 4-6 weeks. I’ll try to keep up to date with your progress here and on myspace.

One question, with the hill sprints, aren’t you afraid of burning up too much muscle? That was one of the key points of the V-diet. Do what works for you, but I would be weary of losing muscle.[/quote]

Thanks for the encouragement.

Well, my most neutral answer to your question would be: “We shall see”…

Yes, I am afraid of burning up too much muscle.

Although the idea of performing low intensity cardio was expounded upon in his original article, I think Chris Shuggart gave a pedestrian answer for the purpose of simplicity and directing the mental energies of his readers toward other parameters in the V-diet.

As far as cardio is concerned, I’m of the mindset that there are several variables (frequency, intensity, and duration) that can be tweaked in order to make high intensity cardio work for the V-diet. I’m willing to use myself as the guinea pig to test this hypothesis.

It is my hope that this diet will be successful and foster further discussion as to the mode of cardio that can be performed while on the V-diet.

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[quote]bitenose wrote:
oldskinnyfat wrote:
Why are you doing hill sprints on the V-Diet?

What else have you changed?

As far as I know, this is the only thing that differs from Chris Shugart’s …[/quote]

Perhaps you should run through your entire daily intake just in case we can pick up something you’ve missed?

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[quote]oldskinnyfat wrote:

Perhaps you should run through your entire daily intake just in case we can pick up something you’ve missed?[/quote]

yessir…

From my myspace page (hope the format works) looks okay

Calories Carbs Protein Fat
Meal 1(Breakfast right when i wake)
16 oz Milk 240 24 16 10
2 scoops (pp) 200 6 40 4.5
Fish Oil caps 50 0 0 6

Meal 2
2 scoop (pp) 200 6 40 3
Fiber Supplement 0

Meal 3 (pre-workout)
Powerdrive 25 2 2 1
1 tbsp omega oil 109 0 0 13
Green Drink 10 2 0 0.5

Meal 4 (post-workout)
Surge (mix) 340 46 25 2.5

Meal 5 (dinner)
2 scoop (pp) 200 6 40 3
2 tbsp omega oil 218 0 0 25
Multivitamin

Meal 6(right after sex/before bed)
1 scoop (pp) 100 3 20 3

totals: 1692 95 183 68.5

1692 calories, 95 carbs, 183 protein, 68.5 g fat…

Definitely not on the G(ew)NC V-DIET… I’m using Biotest where I can:
I am using Metabolic Drive, Flameout, TRIBEX, HOT-ROX Extreme, ZMA, Surge, Powerdrive, greens+, sugar free fiber supplement, creatine, a multivitamin (the one that beverley international makes), and REZ-V…

The omega oil I’m taking (hopefully pictured) omega man is synergistic with Flameout, imho… Definitely some high quality stuff.

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[quote]bitenose wrote:
16 oz Milk 240 24 16 10
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Uhh, no. The whole point of the diet is to not have to worry about the insulin or glycemic index. You’re drinking milk, which has an extremely high insulin index.

Lose the milk and replace it with water.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
bitenose wrote:
16 oz Milk 240 24 16 10

Uhh, no. The whole point of the diet is to not have to worry about the insulin or glycemic index. You’re drinking milk, which has an extremely high insulin index.

Lose the milk and replace it with water.[/quote]

Oh okay… hmm, well I never really thought about THAT critically, as I was under the impression that carbs were okay as long as it was kept under <100 g a day.

I will either ditch the milk completely, replacing it with more Metabolic Drive and Flameout… Or I will incorporate it into PWN

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“Cardio” - Daily walks, no vest, no running. Trust me and the 1000 others who’ve gone before you on this. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake to whom the rules don’t apply, and there’s a reason for no cardio on this diet, just increased NEPA.

And yes, kill the milk.

And spell my name right. [smiley face and all that]

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Thanks for the advice.

Okay, I will kill the milk completely…

I will reluctantly kill the cardio as well.

I’m after results here, not to be the ‘rebel without a cause’, so I’ll do what has worked for everyone…

I’m hoping that my cardiovascular endurance doesn’t suffer too much after these 28 days.

Wow, definitely glad I visited this forum… Y’all might have saved me from ruining myself. I will keep everyone posted of my progress.

Thanks.

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I really don’t want to flame, as you’ve got good spirit, but some things in one of your posts jumped out at me.

[quote]bitenose wrote:
at 185 lbs, I think enough muscular density/mass to warrant myself getting shredded just based on the fact that I am able to lift very heavy.[/quote]

While this is an ok thought, the following statement completely contradicts it-

For your height and weight those are decent beginner numbers. Certainly not worthy of calling yourself “muscular enough.” Be realistic as to why you are doing the diet, because I honestly don’t believe you have the muscle mass to actually get ripped only skinnier.

From another post:

[quote]bitenose wrote:
Oh okay… hmm, well I never really thought about THAT critically, as I was under the impression that carbs were okay as long as it was kept under <100 g a day.[/quote]

The only reason the milk fits into your calcs is because you are somehow using a calorie and carb free fiber supplement. There is no way you’d be under 100g with milk and the flax seed suggested in the original article.

That still doesn’t mean you should drink it, even PWO (as there is no reason to add it to Surge). If you’re not using Surge then PWO for milk is ok.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
For your height and weight those are decent beginner numbers. Certainly not worthy of calling yourself “muscular enough.” Be realistic as to why you are doing the diet, because I honestly don’t believe you have the muscle mass to actually get ripped only skinnier.
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Really? I’m surprised to hear that. I guess I’m dealing with a much more serious/hardcore crowd than what I encounter in real life… Hell, I’ve been lifting since I was 11 years old (12 years)… I wouldn’t call myself an expert by any means mainly because I strive to maintain a ‘student’ frame of mind… But I definitely feel superior to everyone at my local Gold’s gym…

Posting what I’m able to lift wasn’t exactly the most fool-proof method either of allowing someone to assess my underlying muscle mass… There are, of course, other factors such as form, range of motion, time under tension, etc… that comprise my strength thresh-hold.

That being said, I appreciate your thoughts and hope you’re wrong. I don’t want to look like a holocaust survivor when I’m through with this… That would be pretty discouraging.

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[quote]bitenose wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
For your height and weight those are decent beginner numbers. Certainly not worthy of calling yourself “muscular enough.” Be realistic as to why you are doing the diet, because I honestly don’t believe you have the muscle mass to actually get ripped only skinnier.

Really? I’m surprised to hear that. I guess I’m dealing with a much more serious/hardcore crowd than what I encounter in real life… Hell, I’ve been lifting since I was 11 years old (12 years)… I wouldn’t call myself an expert by any means mainly because I strive to maintain a ‘student’ frame of mind… But I definitely feel superior to everyone at my local Gold’s gym…

Posting what I’m able to lift wasn’t exactly the most fool-proof method either of allowing someone to assess my underlying muscle mass… There are, of course, other factors such as form, range of motion, time under tension, etc… that comprise my strength thresh-hold.

That being said, I appreciate your thoughts and hope you’re wrong. I don’t want to look like a holocaust survivor when I’m through with this… That would be pretty discouraging.[/quote]

Posting what you can lift combined with your picture is enough for a fair assessment. Sorry if it wasn’t what you wanted to hear. I also never said you’d look like a holocaust victim, just still as skinny looking as you are now, but skinnier. Ripped implies a much larger muscle mass than you currently have.

Don’t get me wrong, go ahead and do the diet if you want to. It’s only 28 days and you aren’t going to lose much lean mass on it. Just don’t be upset and say the diet doesn’t work when you aren’t “ripped” at the end.

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[quote]bitenose wrote:

Really? I’m surprised to hear that. I guess I’m dealing with a much more serious/hardcore crowd than what I encounter in real life… Hell, I’ve been lifting since I was 11 years old (12 years)… I wouldn’t call myself an expert by any means mainly because I strive to maintain a ‘student’ frame of mind… But I definitely feel superior to everyone at my local Gold’s gym…

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Just a couple thoughts…

  1. after 12 years of “lifting” I’d expect to be a great deal larger than you are.

  2. Feeling superior to everyone else at your gym will NOT get you where you want to be in terms of your goals. May I suggest a piece of humble pie or joining a gym where you are the WEAKEST and SMALLEST person. Trust me, you’ll either get big or quit.

  3. I commend you on trying to be a student of the game, but with that you can still learn what to do or NOT to do from those who you feel are “inferior” to you.

Good luck with the V-diet.

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[quote]TheSicilian wrote:

Just a couple thoughts…

  1. after 12 years of “lifting” I’d expect to be a great deal larger than you are.

  2. Feeling superior to everyone else at your gym will NOT get you where you want to be in terms of your goals. May I suggest a piece of humble pie or joining a gym where you are the WEAKEST and SMALLEST person. Trust me, you’ll either get big or quit.

  3. I commend you on trying to be a student of the game, but with that you can still learn what to do or NOT to do from those who you feel are “inferior” to you.

Good luck with the V-diet.

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  1. Haha, yeah, me too :)… And I was… Current picture definitely doesn’t represent “my peak”… I hate to be one of those people that throws out excuses, but four years in the Marine Corps brought about tremendous catabolism…

(To give an example: In my first session of OCS back in Summer of '04 I went from 190 pounds to 155 pounds in 10 weeks!) Also lost my father unexpectedly to suicide a few months ago, so my progress in the gym and attention to detail dropped a great deal.

  1. Don’t really wanna go there, but, I can’t lie to ya… i can either call it like i see it or just hold my tongue… But, yes, I would very-much be interested in finding a more hardcore gym that is more interested in the condition of their freeweights than it is installing LCD monitors and magazine racks on every piece of cardio equipment.

  2. Absolutely. Good point.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:

Posting what you can lift combined with your picture is enough for a fair assessment. Sorry if it wasn’t what you wanted to hear. I also never said you’d look like a holocaust victim, just still as skinny looking as you are now, but skinnier. Ripped implies a much larger muscle mass than you currently have.

Don’t get me wrong, go ahead and do the diet if you want to. It’s only 28 days and you aren’t going to lose much lean mass on it. Just don’t be upset and say the diet doesn’t work when you aren’t “ripped” at the end.[/quote]

Okay, well, to give a better idea of what I’m visualizing… is my picture, (the pale-ass dude at the top) with defined and prominent abs, and more definition in my shoulders/chest/arms… My lifts must also improve 5-10% over this period and I don’t have an exact target weight. I really don’t even care what I weigh in the end, weight is only a metric to measure progress and approximate proportion of lean mass/lard.

I agree, I don’t expect to be “ripped” in the T-Nation sense-of-the-word at the end of this diet. I hope you’d tell me I was F’ing crazy if I expected to look like Chris Janusz or Christian Thibaudeau —> http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459236

I mean seriously, what’s the worst that could happen if I remain 100% dedicated to this diet? I look a little better naked and I have cut off the possibility of anything but a massive bulking project lasting for 5-6 months and putting on 40 or so pounds.