Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

Never feel rushed to reply to me. I’ve written a few posts today, but those were comparatively easy. These kinds of things take a greater deal of time.

First off, thank you for opening up. I welcome the discourse. Evidently, our paths are similar, and also distinctly different. I don’t feel the need to disregard it, and you aren’t overstepping if that is a worry of yours.

I understand that this is a long time ago, but nevertheless, my sincere condolences.

It didn’t really start around a new phase in life for me, I just replaced one self-destructive mechanism with another. I was gainfully employed and had been for long enough to have found some stability there. Sure, things have never been stable for me, and I’m sure my social circle was morphing around a lot back then too, but not uncustomary so.

I’m not offended by this remark or anything, I’m just curious as to what I’ve written in the past that gave this impression? Maybe my memory is flawed, and I’ve lost sight of some trigger that I had a better sense for in the past. Or maybe you are referring to one of the times it has resurfaced?

Hahah, that is certainly a problem area I’m discovering more and more as every day passes. In many ways. Siblings are okay-ish, although I have some gripes. I have more unresolved issues with regards to my parents but to remain within scope I’ll simply reply that my parents didn’t set me on the best path nutritionally, but they more set me up for obesity than anything else but I will note that I’m not the only kid of theirs that has developed an eating disorder.

I feel you. I’ve lost proverbial years, going in and out of this since at least the start of my log.

I haven’t had the same realisation, or at least not an as powerful one. When I’m gaining weight, I get stronger and function better. But, my problems can arise nevertheless. I know that no one can fix this for me, and that I have to put in the work regardless of what help I get. I’m the one that has to grab myself by the collar, and I sometimes do, it’s just so convoluted that I relapse a lot.

That is a powerful insight. I’ve never looked at it that way. When I’m deep in it, I don’t feel as if I have control, I feel as if the disorder is controlling me. As I’ve written about the past, I don’t want to control my eating disorder, or want it to control me. I desire liberty.

This will help with some thing, not everything. I’m positive regardless. A change of scenery will do me good.

That’s the thing, I feel as if I know exactly what you are communicating to me. I wonder if it was @Koestrizer that said that if it all it took to turn things around was insight, then he wouldn’t have that many problems to speak of. I truly believe every single word you are communicating to me, sincerely.

I keep trying. Trying to find additional outlets for emotional regulation for instance, and practice a better body image. I’ve taken the idea from @T3hPwnisher when he communicated with @aldebaran about only looking in his mirror after a workout, when he knows that he looks his best. I practice positive self-talk actively. I know what it is like to have a self-deprecating voice, because I did, and most of the times I do not but I can disassociate from my actual body image and how I perceive it very easily. Maybe it doesn’t help that I’ve had serious dissociative spells where I don’t even know if a person is real or if I’m hallucinating them or disconnected enough so that I don’t even recognize my mirror image (not figuratively).

I am! I got a prescription for Stratera, which you have to take every day as it buffers. I’m not feeling any sides or effect yet, but I’m at a very low dose. I don’t really know how to draw parallells between the FDA and what we have here, but the gripe with the drug that I know that I respond to is (let’s simply) classified as a more restricted substance so doctor’s cannot prescribe it as easily. Amusingly, the drug that I’m on has worse sides, it just doesn’t have any recreational use.

Yeah, I don’t know. I know I have a lot of anxiety and emotional regulation problems, and I see a lot of my behaviour has just been about that. Causing pain and suffering elsewhere to feel the stuff that is going on internally less acutely.

That is an interesting view that I’ll have to mull over.

Since you showed me a great kindness by sharing your story, I want to check in with you and ask if you feel okay — the last topic on your log had to do with your looks, and going back and forth between surplus/deficits. Are you in a happy place overall and trying to figure things out without there being any cause for concern? If you prefer to email me, you’ve done so in the past, and are always welcome in my inbox.

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2021-12-13

AM Elbow Rehab and Bouldering

PM
Hangboarding
-5kg open-hand, 7 second hang, 2 minute rest, 4 sets
-12,10,8,8kg half-crimp, 7 second hang, 2 minute rest, 4 sets
-22kg two-finger pocket (middle/ring), 7 second hand, 2 minute rest, 4 sets.
+10kg claspers (this is basically a pinch block hold - not a hang!), 7 second hold, 2 minute rest, 4 sets.

Military Press 4x6 @ 45
ss: elbow rehab stuff (see bottom of post)

Tried a trap-bar press as my second exercise but it hit the top of the rack even without plates. Maybe if I took two jerk boxes I could do this but the gym was kinda swamped.

Did seated BB Savickas press 6,6,4,4 with 35 kg and 1+0.5 reps. Superset with a hammer row thing just actively flexing and pausing in the contracted. 4x10-12

Ring dips 4xAMAP (ss: 4x8 DB Incline Curls & BPAs AMAP)

Tried some empty barbell benching after my session to try some things garnered from some correspondence with @Koestrizer but, nah. I heard a thing above my clavicle go pop even with just the bar. Idk, the only point to bench for me is to be able to grab programs off the shelf. I wouldn’t care if all I could do was incline, which is also something I haven’t revisited in quite some time but I honestly doubt it.

I guess I’ll just have to get really good at ring dips and then maybe start considering adding load there, but I’m not adding load to that for a long time. When I can rotate my hands outward between every rep and have that degree of scapular control then I’ll consider adding weights. I do not want to walk around with my shoulder in consistent pain again. It just makes every activity less fun.


Elbow rehab: in the morning I did it as I have done in the past.

I wrote the guy (Dr. Tyler Nelson) that did the course that I took my recent rehabilitation program from asking him to clarify some details. I highlighted that the thing that fatigues for me is my lats, not my forearms, and he suggested that with hangs I try to actively flex the wrist. Failure wasn’t necessary, and I just want to get pumped in the forearms. He also said I could use a heavy DB and do an iso-hold trying to get a slow stretch in the forearm. I tried that with a KB and the thing is, I’m just so damn strong muscularly in the forearm compared to my joint integrity that the wrist joint hurts without getting anywhere near not being able to maintain the iso-hold.

Either way, I’ll now do the hangs with just bodyweight and go for that pump and try some modifications to see if I can’t get the DB thing to fatigue me as well. Thinking about fat gripz.

I wonder if it wasn’t the added 4x/wk 2 a day 4 sets of iso-holds to failure in the lats that didn’t push me into requiring a deload.

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It was in fact me but I paraphrased from my therapist tbh.

Did it just pop or produce the familiar pain?

Sensible stuff regardless so didn’t feel out of place to attribute it to you.

Not entirely familiar, but I’m feeling “something” over what I presume is the brachial plexus. It wasn’t an entirely benign pop, otherwise I’m quite accustomed to working through “sounds”. I’ll know more tomorrow. But that side of the neck does feel tight and it was feeling great before I tried benching.

The mechanisms and sensations you describe are very strange. I would be very very interested in assessing your shoulder in person (not that I would be qualified enough to provide a solution either way) but I think this is something that the communication over the internet will definitely limit.

Maybe it is worth to see a specialized doctor for it and get a more complex evaluation.
Well and as always in the meantime: Focus on what you can do and not what you can’t do.

If you ever make your way to Sweden or I make my way to you, you can have as much as a look as you care to! I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something going on structurally (bone level) in there. The way my back feels when doing an iso-hang is not symmetric at all.

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Well that might be a possibility but if the origin is in the bone structure, this would have to have been there for a very long time, unless there has been a trauma (like a fall on the shoulder?) maybe? Otherwise your bone structure really shouldn’t be changing, haha. Out of the top of my head, a broken bone that, left untreated, grew together in the wrong way, would be among the list of explanations.
If it is the bone structure I would encourage you to get an x-ray done.

That’s the thing with socialised medicine. I don’t think I could get one just because I sometimes experience pain. If I see a so called affiliated physio and they have the same idea they could order an xray. When I move to gothenburg I’ll scout for a good one. Maybe I’ll be able to talk to the teachers too.

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Eh, you might be surprised if you ask directly for it but also might have to go through a hassle to get what you want.

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Apologies, I guess I figured starting a new program and moving to a new city would feel like a “new phase,” but maybe it is not so dramatic as that sounds. Or there is some misunderstanding.

Yeah, hopefully I didn’t give the impression that I thought it was easy to snap out of it. If it were, then there wouldn’t be so many people suffering from various disorders.

Ah, like a blank slate. Got it. That better articulates the goal I think.

Hopefully you can speak with someone about this?

Thanks, I appreciate that. I’m doing well, much better than the middle of this year. I think the pandemic threw me into a mild depressive funk over the summer. What I achieved training-wise this year pleases me, but I need to do a better job at keeping the goal the goal. I think my latest thoughts stem from something more positive than negative, so no worries. My inbox is always open as well.

Ah, well that is a new phase, I thought you were referencing to something in the past. I felt as if you were highlighting the origins of your problems and thus my mind tried to align that with where things started for me.

Hope so, have kind of gotten stuck inbetween specialised instances of care and thus not received any for a while.

Happy to hear that things are overall positive now. I did pick up some inclinations that maybe you were in a funk, I just wasn’t in a place to extend any help of my own at the time. Glad you mentioned that was over the summer and thus I presume you are in a better place now.

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Have you ever heard of the “Postural Restoration Institute” and their ideas about breathing and rib cage position? They have a lot to say about that neck muscle/clavicle situation.

I’ve heard a little bit, some good press, some bad. But nothing about what they have to say about neck muscle/clavicle. That will be something for tomorrow. Time to sleep and recover!

@FlatsFarmer is this all on youtube?

2021-12-14

Slept for a grand total of 2 hours, that is unusually poor.

Front Squat
Ramp to a 2RM at 90, then 4 sets of 2 at 80. Not the best reps, again. Seems like I’ve plateaued around here (90-95).

Thinking about doing this progression that @jskrabac posted,

If I can go from doing 2 reps at 90 to 6x2 reps of 90 in 9 weeks that’d be progress. Mulled over returning to 531, but I tend to become unenamoured by it fairly quickly. I’ve been listening to Jim talk about training maxes and most recently I heard that whatever you can do 5-8 reps with is a decent TM. But, that means a lot of reps for the AMRAP sets, and I just know I’ll start seeing the challenge once I’m doing my AMRAP sets and succumb to form failure just to get more reps.

Supersetted with 5x12 ab-wheel rollouts

B. Snatch-grip Deadlift (ss: Heels Elevated Goblet Squat 16 kg KB 4x15 - I can stay with that weight for one more session at least)
8@80
8@90
2x8@100

C. GHRs (ss: Back-extensions)
4xAMAP

Conditioning 5 rounds
10 Push Presses (40kg)
10 KB Swings (28kg)
10 Box Jumps.

I thought this was an EMOM thing for 20 minutes, and I figured I’d half it given that I felt a bit worse for wear, but I couldn’t finish a round in less than a minute.

Therefore, I aimed to do it every other minute (and did).

When I came home and revisited the source material it turns out it is supposed to be as many times as possible within 20 minutes. That makes more sense.

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Yeah man, ewe-tube! I aint readin’ no books!

This guy popped up in my feed and presented the info pretty well. I’ve been looking at pictures and less informative stuff for awhile, but this guy tied it all together better. He’s got a ton of vids. Here are a few.

2021-12-15

I locked my knee out too far yesterday and feel it in a big way today (walking hurts and does not subside) so I won’t go running today but might airdyne.

On a more general note of scheduling: going back through my log I was doing
Su: deadlifts
Mo: running + UB
Tu: climbing
We: squat
Th: climbing
Fr: running + UB
Sa: climbing

and now

Su: running (abs optional)
Mo: climbing + UB
Tu: squats
We: running (abs optional)
Th: climbing + UB
Fr: deadlifts
Sa: climbing

and I wonder if running the day after squats is why my squats started regressing/stalled. I moved the days to coalesce the elbow stress on single days. It might not be the only reason though, I don’t feel as if that is the only change that happened but it is the biggest change. And also, maybe I just learned to express strength I already had so I’m not viewing the regression in an absolute light.

I don’t really know who here to ask, who is running and who isn’t (sorry everyone).

But, does anyone have any opinions on this? @T3hPwnisher I know you apply some logic toward when you’d place your conditioning workouts. Would you avoid running (<=5km) the day after leg day?

Anyone else wants to chime in that’s okay too. Welcome even.

Day after leg training would be the ideal time for such an activity for me. Legs are tired and sore: get blood flowing into them to recover.

Day before would be less than ideal: makes legs tired the day before I need them.

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Right on, might be that it’s a new enough training modality that it’s still not active recovery for me. Or something else. I’ll give it some more time to see how it plays. Thanks, as always, for sharing from your experience.

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Of course dude. I will clarify that it’s not meant as active recovery. I’ll do something like Kalsu the day after squats. It totally nukes the body, but it STILL gets blood flowing, which I find restorative enough.

It’s like, I don’t feel BETTER after those workouts: I just feel less bad than if I didn’t train.