NOLVADEX Everything I Need to Know?

OK I am not doing a cycle so I will not be using Nolvadex PCT obv. I still have to shed some bf before my first cycle I am using the No,vadex for reasons:

  1. Increase natty levels of test
  2. Help lose fat (increased test= easier fat loss)
  3. Help lose fat around chest area
    I will be doing 40mg ED for 6 weeks.

Questions I have please need help from pros

  1. How long for the test to raise?
  2. How much does it raise by (if 20mg= 150%, would 40mg=300% raised levels)
  3. I know it is used to prevent gyno but I have seen some studies saying it helped get rid of already there gyno. I dont have gyno just more chest fat than other places on body. Would this help?
  4. LAst one lol, how long would this take to start to work to lose fat?

Thank you. Obvious noob questions but I have read and seen some extremley helpful people on these forums…hopefully a couple of them will read this.

Very weird strategy for fat loss there Sir.

I cannot comment how much your test levels will raise with 40mg of Tamoxifen but what I can tell you is that it will not really do anything for chest fat.
Your chest fat can leave you more susceptable to gyno as fat contains Aromatase.

I think for your purpose you would be better off with an AI.

Or how about not messing with your HPTA till you actually use AAS? Why not work hard with diet and cardio to shed the fat then make your decision to use AAS or not?

SB

This is not a good idea…and I’m being nice

Very dumb idea to say the least.

Nolva makes me feel like a turd and ruins my training sessions if I take it too close to them. I can’t wait to finish my PCT.

oh shit lol. Well it was reccomended to me by a trainer at my gym (BB) who placed top 3 in provincials. I mean if it does increase test wouldnt it obv. help fat loss and help gains somewhat. Im running ECA with it so in combination with a stellar diet and hard training couldnt this produce MUCH faster results as opposed to just a great diet and hard training.

It makes sense to me, and some studies have shown it to help fat loss. I came to you guys to help so Ill listen but…just scientifically it seems it would speed up the process.

nolvadex and fat loss :
Nolvadex has estrogenic properties on fat in that it increases lipolisis (fat mobilization). To quote from a couple of studies:

“Tamoxifen, a nonsteroidal antiestrogenic antitumor agent, has weak estrogen-like effects on lipid metabolism, however, the mechanism remains unknown. We previously reported that tamoxifen decreases the activity of lipoprotein lipase (LPL), a key enzyme in triglyceride metabolism, in patients with breast cancer.” (1)

“Treatment of ovariectomized rats with the nonsteroidal antiestrogen tamoxifen mimicked the effects of estradiol and caused significant decreases in food intake and body weight. The decreases in body weight were reflected mainly in a decreased body fat content” (2)

So by acting as an estrogen, it increases lipolysis. This means more fatty acids are released into the blood stream to serve as a POTENTIAL fuel source. Does this mean it causes people to lose weight? Not necessarily. There is a perception that the opposite occurs, but studies have shown this not be the case. Tamoxifen has no significant effect on weight. To quote from yet another study:

“The purpose of this research study was to determine if weight gain is associated with tamoxifen therapy and to observe the impact of weight gain on recurrence and survival. Prognostic indicators, changes in weight, and disease status from diagnosis to the end of treatment were studied in 200 consecutive Stage I and II breast cancer patients, not receiving systemic chemotherapy, admitted from 1986 to the present, with observation periods ranging from 3-5 years. A mean weight gain of 1.2 Kgs was seen in all patients; however, weight gain was not significantly different for those receiving tamoxifen vs. those not receiving tamoxifen, (P = 0.66, CI 95% for the difference -1.8 Kgs to +1.2 Kgs).” (3)

It is interesting to speculate why if nolvadex increases lipolysis it does not lead to weight loss. One possibility is that the subjects, cancer patients, aren’t exercising to take advantage of the mobilized fat. The other possibility is that since nolvadex lowers GH and IGF-1, a reduction in those hormones blunts any potential weight loss.

The fact that Nolvadex increases lipolysis so much is actually a serious problem. The blood stream is flooded with fatty acids that can cause hyperlipidemia. This can cause cardiovascular problems, pancreatitis, fatty liver, and a general accumulation of fat around the organs.

This suggests to me that if you intend to use nolvadex you should have a low fat, high fiber diet to lower the blood lipids, and get plenty of exercise to burn all the fat the nolvadex has mobilized for you. I agree with Dan Duchaine that nolva CAN cause fat loss if you take full advantage of its potential.

(1) Horm Res 2000;53(1):36-9
Tamoxifen inhibits lipoprotein activity: in vivo and in vitro studies.
Hozumi Y, Kawano M, Hakamata Y, Miyata M, Jordan VC.

(2) Am J Physiol 1993 Jun;264(6 Pt 2):R1219-
Tamoxifen mimics the effects of estradiol on food intake, body weight, and body composition in rats.
Wade GN, Heller HW.

(3) Breast Cancer Res Treat 1997 Jun;44(2):135-
Weight gain associated with adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in stage I and II breast cancer: fact or artifact?
Kumar NB, Allen K, Cantor A, Cox CE, Greenberg H, Shah S, Lyman GH.

No

Im getting mixed results from so many different studies, forums, people. I just need as much input as possible please.

I have an idea:

Try it, see if it works, then report back.

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I have an idea:

Try it, see if it works, then report back.[/quote]

I would, but prior to spending money, it would be helpful to get as many opinions as possible