… and here is the reason why.
The very moment you could legitimately compare someone with Hitler, nobody does it anymore.
Stalin was not like Hitler, he was Stalin.
The same is true for Pol Pot, Idi Amin, you name them.
Where they all very Hitlerish?
Yeah.
But, if you make it to the mass famine, burning fields, reeducation camps level you get your very own special place in hell.
You made in into the pantheon of evil so to speak.
Even Hitler wasn’t like the Hitler we are shown in pop culture. What we have been shown is a caricature. A demented, unstable, screaming madman who put everyone around him in fear. In reality he was actually quite charming and personable, when he wanted to be. That charming side of his personality was a reason why he was able to get into power.
It’s understandable that people would want to vilify him, but it is misleading and doesn’t serve us well.
Thanks for explaining what we know?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Even Hitler wasn’t like the Hitler we are shown in pop culture. What we have been shown is a caricature. A demented, unstable, screaming madman who put everyone around him in fear. In reality he was actually quite charming and personable, when he wanted to be. That charming side of his personality was a reason why he was able to get into power.
It’s understandable that people would want to vilify him, but it is misleading and doesn’t serve us well.[/quote]
This was my problem with the movie “Valkyrie”. Hitler had a very out-going sort of intensity to him. They made him seem like he was intense, but in a quiet and brooding kind of way. Does it make him look evil? Yes, but that’s not Hitler.
True that, He was a pretty laid back guy when not in a Public/Military presence,
VERY Evil Man for sure.
He had that cult of personality…his body language just walkin’ around and greeting
people when he was being social is something one can emulate to…well…exert influence,
but use it yourself for GOOD influence, carefully watch his smaller movements and subtle gestures when in public, how he casually walks, greets, etc. he was a student of that subtle influence via Body language,
a fascinating study of body language influence IF one studies those old films very carefully.
[quote]orion wrote:
… and here is the reason why.
The very moment you could legitimately compare someone with Hitler, nobody does it anymore.
Stalin was not like Hitler, he was Stalin.
The same is true for Pol Pot, Idi Amin, you name them.
Where they all very Hitlerish?
Yeah.
But, if you make it to the mass famine, burning fields, reeducation camps level you get your very own special place in hell.
You made in into the pantheon of evil so to speak. [/quote]
How much blame would you put on Hitler? You have to admit the German people had to have been behind some of his ideas just a little bit. Then there are the soldiers or anyone who committed evil acts initiated by Hitler, you have to admit they had to have been behind those ideas even more than the general public.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
How much blame would you put on Hitler? You have to admit the German people had to have been behind some of his ideas just a little bit. Then there are the soldiers or anyone who committed evil acts initiated by Hitler, you have to admit they had to have been behind those ideas even more than the general public.[/quote]
Agreed.
Obviously a very large amount of people fundamentally believed in the anti-Jewish arguments.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
… and here is the reason why.
The very moment you could legitimately compare someone with Hitler, nobody does it anymore.
Stalin was not like Hitler, he was Stalin.
The same is true for Pol Pot, Idi Amin, you name them.
Where they all very Hitlerish?
Yeah.
But, if you make it to the mass famine, burning fields, reeducation camps level you get your very own special place in hell.
You made in into the pantheon of evil so to speak. [/quote]
How much blame would you put on Hitler? You have to admit the German people had to have been behind some of his ideas just a little bit. Then there are the soldiers or anyone who committed evil acts initiated by Hitler, you have to admit they had to have been behind those ideas even more than the general public.[/quote]
Yes and no.
The trick for the whole concentration camps stuff was to break responsibility into very small parts and pick the inevitable percentage of psychopaths for the real killing.
On the other hand whole units of the Wehrmacht essentially volunteered for mass shootings, though there were no repercussions if you refused.
It is all very confusing.
I dont know who knew what and what the majority supported.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes and no.
The trick for the whole concentration camps stuff was to break responsibility into very small parts and pick the inevitable percentage of psychopaths for the real killing.
On the other hand whole units of the Wehrmacht essentially volunteered for mass shootings, though there were no repercussions if you refused.
It is all very confusing.
I dont know who knew what and what the majority supported.[/quote]
You should read the diaries of Victor Klemperer.
It could help you answer these questions.
(And it might allow you to re-read some farsi speeches through a new perspective too.)
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
… and here is the reason why.
The very moment you could legitimately compare someone with Hitler, nobody does it anymore.
Stalin was not like Hitler, he was Stalin.
The same is true for Pol Pot, Idi Amin, you name them.
Where they all very Hitlerish?
Yeah.
But, if you make it to the mass famine, burning fields, reeducation camps level you get your very own special place in hell.
You made in into the pantheon of evil so to speak. [/quote]
How much blame would you put on Hitler? You have to admit the German people had to have been behind some of his ideas just a little bit. Then there are the soldiers or anyone who committed evil acts initiated by Hitler, you have to admit they had to have been behind those ideas even more than the general public.[/quote]
Yes and no.
The trick for the whole concentration camps stuff was to break responsibility into very small parts and pick the inevitable percentage of psychopaths for the real killing.
On the other hand whole units of the Wehrmacht essentially volunteered for mass shootings, though there were no repercussions if you refused.
It is all very confusing.
I dont know who knew what and what the majority supported.[/quote]
Do you honestly feel that you can be objective about any of this, given your family’s involvement with the Nazis, and the repercussions that followed? [/quote]
The one involved with them did not really suffer that much, the other one died, probably killed by guerillas.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes and no.
The trick for the whole concentration camps stuff was to break responsibility into very small parts and pick the inevitable percentage of psychopaths for the real killing.
On the other hand whole units of the Wehrmacht essentially volunteered for mass shootings, though there were no repercussions if you refused.
It is all very confusing.
I dont know who knew what and what the majority supported.[/quote]
You should read the diaries of Victor Klemperer.
It could help you answer these questions.
(And it might allow you to re-read some farsi speeches through a new perspective too.)
[/quote]
Will read, but I doubt that one mans insights can be taken as a measure what large parts of the population knew or wanted.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes and no.
The trick for the whole concentration camps stuff was to break responsibility into very small parts and pick the inevitable percentage of psychopaths for the real killing.
On the other hand whole units of the Wehrmacht essentially volunteered for mass shootings, though there were no repercussions if you refused.
It is all very confusing.
I dont know who knew what and what the majority supported.[/quote]
You should read the diaries of Victor Klemperer.
[/quote]
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
… and here is the reason why.
The very moment you could legitimately compare someone with Hitler, nobody does it anymore.
Stalin was not like Hitler, he was Stalin.
The same is true for Pol Pot, Idi Amin, you name them.
Where they all very Hitlerish?
Yeah.
But, if you make it to the mass famine, burning fields, reeducation camps level you get your very own special place in hell.
You made in into the pantheon of evil so to speak. [/quote]
How much blame would you put on Hitler? You have to admit the German people had to have been behind some of his ideas just a little bit. Then there are the soldiers or anyone who committed evil acts initiated by Hitler, you have to admit they had to have been behind those ideas even more than the general public.[/quote]
Absolutely correct. Although Hitler didn’t secure a majority of support in the last election he participated in (he did away with basic democracy after securing power), quite a few Germans supported his anti-Jewish and socialistic policies.
Along similar lines, thought Professor Walter Williams had an interesting article. We hear a good deal about the evils of the Nazis. Communist leaders though were in several cases worse in causing suffering, not only on people but on the environment also.
“Why Aren’t Murderous Communists Condemned Like Nazis Are?”
[quote]Menthol wrote:
Along similar lines, thought Professor Walter Williams had an interesting article. We hear a good deal about the evils of the Nazis. Communist leaders though were in several cases worse in causing suffering, not only on people but on the environment also.
“Why Aren’t Murderous Communists Condemned Like Nazis Are?”
LMAO is this for real? Sounds like an article ghost written by Glenn Beck. Why are so many economists clueless?
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Menthol wrote:
Along similar lines, thought Professor Walter Williams had an interesting article. We hear a good deal about the evils of the Nazis. Communist leaders though were in several cases worse in causing suffering, not only on people but on the environment also.
“Why Aren’t Murderous Communists Condemned Like Nazis Are?”
LMAO is this for real? Sounds like an article ghost written by Glenn Beck. Why are so many economists clueless? [/quote]
Because its reeeaaally, reeeallly hard to remember who had 4 year plans and who had 5 year plans in the 30s.
One must have been socialist central planning and the other one the excesses of evil capitalism, alas I never remember which system planned for how long exactly.
You know Hitler did inadvertently do some good. Before the holocaust it was pretty much okay to treat jews like dirt but now doing so makes you a “nazi”. Effectively he ended millenia of suffering for the jewish race.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
This guy is…only he’s bulking[/quote]
This person HAS to be one of the SUPERIOR race
