Russian/Chinese Genocide Movies?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I was sitting in the theater this weekend watching previews of movies coming up. The movie “Defiance” was one of them. The movie is about Jewish brothers saving Jews from extermination in Poland/Bylorusssia during WW2.

As I sat there I got to thinking. How many movies/shows have there been made about the Holocaust or have some type of reference to it. “Schlinders List”, “The Pianist”, "Uprising’, “Escape from Sobibor”, “Band of Brothers”, “Sophie’s Choice”, “Sunshine”, “Life is Beautiful”, etc.

In one of my classes we were exploring the rise of Communist nations and the absolutely brutal conditions that those living in them faced. In Russia there was something like 12-14 million people who died as a result of Stalin’s 5 year plans.

In China it was even worse, with Mao killing something like 30-40 million. Pol Pot killed something like 2-3 million. We watched some short documentary video on the subject.

Then I got to thinking. How come there are no movies about these genocides? I would like for somebody to make a movie about these atrocities. I’m sure there are some amazing stories out there that happened during these periods.

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I think that it is partly explained by the fact that Russians, Chinese and Cambodians don’t have the same level of influence that Jews do in Hollywood.

Perhaps there is also just something about the nature of the holocaust that makes it more intriguing to movie audiences than the other atrocities that you mentioned.

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The reason is that it is part of our history. The other events did not involve us, so are generally ignored by the populace. Both general, and Hollywood. And why socialism is so acceptable to the masses, yet fascism isn’t. (When fascism is simply socialism light.)

Ask a grandfather about China, and you will get a few words, but about Germany, hours. They were there.

Also Adolph Hitler was one fucked up guy, along with the whole SS. Mao was focused on China. Stalin knew how far to go, and when to stop. Hitler had one goal of world domination, (and a single race,) and would not stop until that goal was achieved. The story is so outrageous that it’s shocking to know that it is true.

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[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Then I got to thinking. How come there are no movies about these genocides? I would like for somebody to make a movie about these atrocities. I am sure there are some amazing stories out there that happened during these periods. [/quote]

One word: Lobby.

When any of the other groups achieve some sort of prominence in Hollywood, we may begin to see more movies about Pinochet, Mao and the others. For now, The memory of the Holocaust will be hammered in people’s heads lest they ask questions about the Zionist state.

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Yeah that guy Mao really took out alot of people. And you know whats funny. I never learned about that in school, this is actually my first time hearing that he killed that many people.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Then I got to thinking. How come there are no movies about these genocides? I would like for somebody to make a movie about these atrocities. I am sure there are some amazing stories out there that happened during these periods.

One word: Lobby.

When any of the other groups achieve some sort of prominence in Hollywood, we may begin to see more movies about Pinochet, Mao and the others. For now, The memory of the Holocaust will be hammered in people’s heads lest they ask questions about the Zionist state.[/quote]

Because everybody knows the holocaust didn’t happen! It’s just a Jewish conspiracy!

Do you support the destruction of Israel and the death of Jews? You certainly seem to hate the jews quite a bit. What has a Jew ever done to you?

What you said is horseshit. While the other events were even more tragic, the sheer baberism of the holocaust and the purposeful genocide of an entire people burns it into memory.

Also, we had full access to the scope of the tragedy and a means to study in depth, something we didn’t have with the other events. It is also intrinsically tied to a rather significant event in history called World War 2. Americans were one othe ones who discovered the concentration camps, so it ties in with our history very closely.

You add the fact that it was around 12 million people who were kill for just being who they were. 6 million were Jews, about 4 million were Catholic , and 2 million were miscellaneous folks, like gays.
You can shove your Jewish conspiracy crap.

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Even the “Holocaust” itself was not just about the extermination of the Jews. Somehow it has been co-opted as a “Jewish” phenomenon. Lixy is right about the “L” word - but I think there are also other factors at work.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Because everybody knows the holocaust didn’t happen! It’s just a Jewish conspiracy! [/quote]

Which part of my post did you deduce that from?

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
The reason is that it is part of our history. The other events did not involve us, so are generally ignored by the populace. Both general, and Hollywood. And why socialism is so acceptable to the masses, yet fascism isn’t. (When fascism is simply socialism light.)

Ask a grandfather about China, and you will get a few words, but about Germany, hours. They were there.

Also Adolph Hitler was one fucked up guy, along with the whole SS. Mao was focused on China. Stalin knew how far to go, and when to stop. Hitler had one goal of world domination, (and a single race,) and would not stop until that goal was achieved. The story is so outrageous that it’s shocking to know that it is true.[/quote]

That’s sums it up pretty well. I would add that most of the victims of Stalin and Mao died of starvation, which was the side effect of their incompetent management of the economy. The victims of Nazism were deliberately murdered in the most gruesome fasion for no other reason than that they were born to the wrong parents.

Mao’s henchmen didn’t make lampshades out of human skin.

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Also, at least in academia and liberal elite circles, there has long been an ideological blindness about the atrocities committed by socialist and/or communist regimes.

I had a well-known Russian literature professor in school; she used to tell us a story about how she was able to spend an unusual amount of time in the Soviet Union in the 1960s. She learned - first hand and through interviews, etc - about the reality of what was going on there; and, moreover, what had gone on there under Stalin.

When she came back, her colleagues simply wouldn’t believe her. They refused to believe that “communism” had a dark side.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

Mao’s henchmen didn’t make lampshades out of human skin.[/quote]

Please go into more detail about this. This is one I hadn’t heard.

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Ive been wondering since a long time why the holocaust, despite not being the only/first/last/biggest genocide in history, is the genocide that 99,99% of all media attention in the western world is focused on.

The result of that obsession is that some people arent even aware the thereve been other genocides. The result is that even today some germans internationally face prejudices and in some cases even discrimination because of something that happened in their country long before they were born, which is a monument of the stupidity of some people.

Most ironically that proves exactly where racism comes from, which is people buying negative suggestions about a group of people they know nothing about.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:

Mao’s henchmen didn’t make lampshades out of human skin.

Please go into more detail about this. This is one I hadn’t heard.[/quote]

Lamp shades, wallets, etc. Yep… they did it.

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Someone mentioned that the people from the stalin era died mainly of starvation and not as intentional murder. How about people been boiled then ripped in half, or put naked inside a barrel punctured with nails then rolled down a hill. I think it was called the Red Terror.

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[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:

I was sitting in the theater this weekend watching previews of movies coming up. The movie “Defiance” was one of them. The movie is about Jewish brothers saving Jews from extermination in Poland/Bylorusssia during WW2.

As I sat there I got to thinking. How many movies/shows have there been made about the Holocaust or have some type of reference to it. “Schlinders List”, “The Pianist”, "Uprising’, “Escape from Sobibor”, “Band of Brothers”, “Sophie’s Choice”, “Sunshine”, “Life is Beautiful”, etc.

In one of my classes we were exploring the rise of Communist nations and the absolutely brutal conditions that those living in them faced. In Russia there was something like 12-14 million people who died as a result of Stalin’s 5 year plans. In China it was even worse, with Mao killing something like 30-40 million. Pol Pot killed something like 2-3 million. We watched some short documentary video on the subject.

Then I got to thinking. How come there are no movies about these genocides? I would like for somebody to make a movie about these atrocities. I am sure there are some amazing stories out there that happened during these periods.

Ive been wondering since a long time why the holocaust, despite not being the only/first/last/biggest genocide in history, is the genocide that 99,99% of all media attention in the western world is focused on.

The result of that obsession is that some people arent even aware the thereve been other genocides. The result is that even today some germans internationally face prejudices and in some cases even discrimination because of something that happened in their country long before they were born, which is a monument of the stupidity of some people.

Most ironically that proves exactly where racism comes from, which is people buying negative suggestions about a group of people they know nothing about.

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Why you chose the screen name of Emminem’s pedophilic, homosexual alter ego I just can’t wrap my brain around…I mean it’s funny in his songs and all, but…

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[quote]Mr. Strong wrote:
Someone mentioned that the people from the stalin era died mainly of starvation and not as intentional murder. How about people been boiled then ripped in half, or put naked inside a barrel punctured with nails then rolled down a hill. I think it was called the Red Terror.[/quote]

I think it was intentional…Or at least completely ignored.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
The Mage wrote:
The reason is that it is part of our history. The other events did not involve us, so are generally ignored by the populace. Both general, and Hollywood. And why socialism is so acceptable to the masses, yet fascism isn’t. (When fascism is simply socialism light.)

Ask a grandfather about China, and you will get a few words, but about Germany, hours. They were there.

Also Adolph Hitler was one fucked up guy, along with the whole SS. Mao was focused on China. Stalin knew how far to go, and when to stop. Hitler had one goal of world domination, (and a single race,) and would not stop until that goal was achieved. The story is so outrageous that it’s shocking to know that it is true.

That’s sums it up pretty well. I would add that most of the victims of Stalin and Mao died of starvation, which was the side effect of their incompetent management of the economy. The victims of Nazism were deliberately murdered in the most gruesome fasion for no other reason than that they were born to the wrong parents.

Mao’s henchmen didn’t make lampshades out of human skin.[/quote]

True. The systematic extermination combined with the efficiency and organization of the Nazi machine make the Holocaust stand out.

I’m not sure about the “part of our history” bit. I’m obviously not fit to judge, but it seemed to me that Americans shed more blood and money in fighting the so-called Red Scare. I still think that one of the major factors is the prominent positions of Jews in the American society. It’s not a conspiracy or anything of the sort. It’s out there for all to see.

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Anyone ever see this film?

An absolutely chilling presentation of power at work. Branagh’s performance is brilliant.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:

Mao’s henchmen didn’t make lampshades out of human skin.

Please go into more detail about this. This is one I hadn’t heard.[/quote]

Prof, I’m quite surprised you never heard that one before. It’s very often brought up as evidence of Nazi horrors.

Anyway, here’s the skinny:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040604.html

The Nizkor Project is a pretty reputable source too.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/soap-01.html

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Yep,I saw it.It was quite good.