[quote]NAUn wrote:
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you [Professor X]away from my mouth.[/quote]
LOL wut?
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you [Professor X]away from my mouth.[/quote]
LOL wut?[/quote]
Ssh!
This thread is about to deliver.
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you [Professor X]away from my mouth.[/quote]
LOL wut?
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Yes I get it. There’s an oral sex joke there. Very clever.
Or I could be referring to that fact that I wouldn’t trust a dentist/maxillofacial surgeon who believes in hocus pocus. I guess it all depends on what level you can contribute to the conversation. Keep up the good work 
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating [/quote]
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying that. [/quote]
He implied that the two week trial by supposed doctors was enough proof of the guy’s claims. I would question anyone who makes those claims, including doctors, ProfX, my mother, etc. There’s no need to abandon critical thinking because a doctor and a yogi have made outrageous claims. It doesn’t matter who makes the claims, it’s still outrageous. Now 10 days is certainly more realistic than 72 years, but to do that and be in apparent perfect health still sounds absurd. Has everyone already forgotten what the people looked like as they were being pulled from the rubble in Haiti? I believe in these cases, and in most, skepticism is warranted over the mindset of “oh yeah, well prove him wrong.” Prove him right, please. Repeat the experiments. Determine why it happens. There’s a reason these kind of bullshit claims happen where they do (no offense to India).
[quote]roybot wrote:
Relatively speaking, it is: medical science was dominated by the four humours through ancient Greece and Egypt up to Elizabethan times and beyond. Doctors diagnosed a patient’s condition by identifying a patient’s external mood and attributing it a build up of a particular humour within the body. This was the basis of medical science until the advent of pathology, at which point they realized that the humours didn’t exist.[/quote]
Ok, so medical science has been that young in the past. That would be obvious and necessary. Although I would question how scientific those approaches really were. Medicine perhaps, but science? Hardly. That does nothing to support the claim that medical science is currently that young.
I realize this topic in this forum on the internet is one of the last places to expect a real conversation, in fact it doesn’t even warrant one. But even as this threads descends into inevitable sex jokes (set up by yours truly) and cock waving, I still want to take the opportunity to point out that the fact that people are even entertaining the idea that someone can live for 72 years without sustenance of any kind (except for energy that he “absorbs” through meditation) is a depressing commentary on the state of humankind. There’s an innate desire in most people to believe that this kind of stuff is possible, but we need to realize that wanting to believe it’s real and its being real are entirely separate things.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
He implied that the two week trial by supposed doctors was enough proof of the guy’s claims.[/quote]
No he didn’t imply that at all. You just didn’t read his posts properly: he was actually questioning the objectivity of the doctors involved in the study. Read it again.
[quote]NAUn wrote:Our understanding of our bodies is not that young
roybot wrote:
Relatively speaking, it is: medical science was dominated by the four humours through ancient Greece and Egypt up to Elizabethan times and beyond. Doctors diagnosed a patient’s condition by identifying a patient’s external mood and attributing it a build up of a particular humour within the body. This was the basis of medical science until the advent of pathology, at which point they realized that the humours didn’t exist.
NAUn wrote:
Ok, so medical science has been that young in the past. That would be obvious and necessary. Although I would question how scientific those approaches really were. Medicine perhaps, but science? Hardly. That does nothing to support the claim that medical science is currently that young.[/quote]
So, how exactly does my above statement not support the claim that modern medical science is young? Humours were central to medicine up until Victorian times, after which they were disproven. What you just said makes no sense: “medical science was young in the past but is currently not quite as young as it used to be”…it makes me question if you even know what you’re talking about.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
From the article:
Soldiers won’t be able to meditate?
Our understanding of our own bodies is extremely young so I don’t understand the stance some of the docs are taking on this. If he is cheating, why can’t they see this during all of this observation? If he isn’t cheating, maybe the soldiers need to learn some fucking meditation.
LOL[/quote]
I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating. Our understanding of our bodies is not that young. I hope you are just playing devil’s advocate.
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you away from my mouth.[/quote]
Lol your either an idiot or just in denial. After two weeks of not eating or drinking there has been no change in his vitals and I doubt a third world government would willingly waste away whatever funds they have on some stupid hoax, so unless you know their motive for playing out this “hoax”, this is obviously a medical breakthrough.
I’ve read about this sort of stuff before, basically whats happened is this guy has (spiritually speaking) has reached the “4th dimension”, his mind is now on a higher plane and as such, is no longer bound by the laws of our reality, so common logic and theory no longer apply as much as you’d like it to. From what i know this is extremely difficult to achieve and takes practically a lifetime of meditation.
So the hard part i have is believing whether or not he actually did go 72 years without any food or water, that would have made him around 10 when he achieved a higher consciousness. If you read up on the branch of noetic sciences, you’ll find that they cover this and other topics related to unlocking the human potential.
^ Oh dear me.
Maybe we can all become Jedis too!
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^a bulk?[/quote]
Hellz yeah!
He draws energy while he meditates? That’s like eating while taking a nap! Add some steaks, chickens, burgers, and potatoes and you’ve got a recipe for hyoogeness!![/quote]
Ahhhhh gotcha. I got the burger, chicken part down. Am I the only one that wonders what would happen you your digestive track if it did not have to work for 72yrs. How small would his stomach be (I’m not buying into it). His intestines and so forth.
He lost weight. After only 10 days. How does he still exist after 72 years of this if he loses weight after 10 days? I mean without being a dirty cheater that is.
[quote]The rest of your post
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lol
Maybe the 4th dimension has good butter chicken.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
From the article:
Soldiers won’t be able to meditate?
Our understanding of our own bodies is extremely young so I don’t understand the stance some of the docs are taking on this. If he is cheating, why can’t they see this during all of this observation? If he isn’t cheating, maybe the soldiers need to learn some fucking meditation.
LOL[/quote]
I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating. Our understanding of our bodies is not that young. I hope you are just playing devil’s advocate.
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you away from my mouth.[/quote]
I am VERY skeptical. I am also one of those who will look in that direction and check it out JUST IN CASE.
I am aware enough of how much we don’t understand to not simply call bullshit on all matters without looking into them…much like the issue of the woman who can lift a car when her child’s life is in danger. I am sure MANY would claim that was bullshit as well and could never happen.
It has nothing to do with calling me out. I more than likely know more about the human body than you do or will in this life time. I am also first to be skeptical while also having the ability to keep an open mind.
Is this guy more than likely lying? Yes. I am STILL going to ask how he was under so much surveillance and still get away with it.
Other than that, you can kiss my ass as far as insulting my intelligence or my education.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating [/quote]
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying that. [quote] Our understanding of our bodies is not that young [/quote]
Relatively speaking, it is: medical science was dominated by the four humours through ancient Greece and Egypt up to Elizabethan times and beyond. Doctors diagnosed a patient’s condition by identifying a patient’s external mood and attributing it a build up of a particular humour within the body. This was the basis of medical science until the advent of pathology, at which point they realized that the humours didn’t exist.[/quote]
Very good post. Our understanding of our own bodies is still in infancy. We still don’t know how muscles grow under all circumstances even though we know that resistance training and eating more is the most reliable way to grow muscle. That doesn’t explain the people who actually gained muscle mass in their legs with no training and no caloric surplus from the administration of steroids alone OR the studies that actually show a reduction in muscle lost after injury if the same muscle group on the opposing side is continually worked.
For anyone at this stage in our development to believe we have everything figured out only shows how little they know, not how much.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
^a bulk?[/quote]
Hellz yeah!
He draws energy while he meditates? That’s like eating while taking a nap! Add some steaks, chickens, burgers, and potatoes and you’ve got a recipe for hyoogeness!![/quote]
Ahhhhh gotcha. I got the burger, chicken part down. Am I the only one that wonders what would happen you your digestive track if it did not have to work for 72yrs. How small would his stomach be (I’m not buying into it). His intestines and so forth. [/quote]
They likely would not work much at all and he could likely go into organ failure if he introduced a large amount of calories…all things “scientists” should be looking into if he is under so much surveillance.
Let me also say this since I haven’t been keeping up with this thread until now…are people that afraid to think outside the box that the simple question into whether this is real or not causes them to act like anyone who entertains the thought is insane or too dumb to hold a medical degree of any kind?
What is funny is this attitude seems to most often come from people who are the least educated.
The hoax here is likely. That doesn’t mean that even if it was ONLY 10 days that this isn’t significant. I would think the dummies are the ones who can’t figure that out and immediately turn a blind eye to the whole situation.
I personally wouldn’t want a doctor working on me who was so locked into one mode of thinking. This is why we go through continuing education after we graduate…because what you DO NOT want is a doctor working on you who is still using the same techniques and practices from 30 years ago.
Common sense seems to be dead just as much as being able to think outside of a very limited box.
The possible explanations I can think of, applying Occam’s Razor:
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The doctor’s are in on it and wanted to generate publicity for themselves.
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The doctor’s are easily fooled, the old dude simple sipped some water smuggled underneath his robes or didn’t see it when someone walked into the room and gave him food and water.
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They’re not even real doctors and it’s a simple publicity stunt.
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The guy has supernatural powers and truly posseses god-like powers.
I’m favoring the top 3 myself…
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
The possible explanations I can think of, applying Occam’s Razor:
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The doctor’s are in on it and wanted to generate publicity for themselves.
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The doctor’s are easily fooled, the old dude simple sipped some water smuggled underneath his robes or didn’t see it when someone walked into the room and gave him food and water.
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They’re not even real doctors and it’s a simple publicity stunt.
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The guy has supernatural powers and truly posseses god-like powers.
I’m favoring the top 3 myself…
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…OR, he actually made it ten whole days without dying with nothing to eat or drink.
We have half of the country who believe Jesus did the same for 40 days in a desert yet suddenly the very idea that a man could do it for 10 days causes cries of “stupid” to be yelled across the aisle.
No one is even debating the “72 year” claim.
Let’s see where the debate goes now.
You fuckers will argue about anything.
lol
Why is ten days so hard to believe? Think about how long a camel can go without water. I don’t know about 70 years, but until said pic of ham sandwich is posted, I’m good with “in vivo veritas”.
i can believe the 10 day part, 72 years is a stretch.
Also, I didn’t see a single pic of him holding a shoe. (epic thread reference)
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
Also, I didn’t see a single pic of him holding a shoe. (epic thread reference)[/quote]
well, if you don’t eat for 70 years your bodyfat isnt really an issue. lol
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
Also, I didn’t see a single pic of him holding a shoe. (epic thread reference)[/quote]
whats my BodyFat?
(i found this on BB.com)