[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I would like to know how much he willing to let doctors(indian then foreign) test him. As long as this continues I’m sure they are going to want to test a million different things. Interesting he decided to wait 72 years before letting anyone know.
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Among those people who are very religious, or spiritual as you might call this guy, money and fame are not what they’re seeking. With my limited understanding of this guy’s religion, they may actually be the opposite of what he seeks.
I’d have that shit on Ophah as soon as I found out i could do it.
[quote]four60 wrote:
So would this mean his digestive track is like a vampires heart. Prune like? hmmmmmmmmmmmm [/quote]
Or, maybe, just maybe, the human mind is extremely powerful. We accept that tiny mothers can lift cars off of their off spring if under enough pressure but we can’t accept tiny little Indian guys not needing to eat much at all.
This could all be a hoax, but I for one would study this real well before simply jumping to that conclusion.[/quote]
10 days, fine, maybe. However, 70 years without any sustenance is the claim. A 10 day lack of food or water is used to support this claim. Clearly, the “test” (which, seriously, I doubt was ever conducted correctly anyway) doesn’t prove a god damned thing about the claim. I won’t be holding my breath for a peer reviewed paper about this guy in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Ugh. This is such obviously bullshit. Where’s James Randi on this one?
You can see the sort of conditions he lived in during the ten-day study he underwent, as well as his “explanation” of how he can survive without food and water…oh, and he predicts that he will live to be over a thousand years old.
The body and mind’s quest for survival can be so strong, I believe that it can surpass what medical knowledge knows or can explain.
In 2005, I was hospitalized for peritonitis, I spent 6 weeks in the ICU, and a total of 3 months in the hospital altogether. For 6 weeks, I was considered NPO, meaning nothing by mouth, only IV fluids. When I say nothing by mouth, I mean brushing your teeth without any water, no rinsing with water, no ice cubes to chew on, nothing.
I lost 60 lbs, I remember being weighed at a measly 162 lbs, at which point I was put on TPN (an intravenous kind of food) totaling 1000cals per day. The doc comes to me and tells me my body is now breaking down organ tissue for energy, which usually means that death is right next door. My left lung collapsed, and I was put given oxygen to breath. My ribs, hip bones, and spine were clearly visible, sporting a look of someone from a concentration camp. Will and determination can help you survive that which makes no human sense.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The body and mind’s quest for survival can be so strong, I believe that it can surpass what medical knowledge knows or can explain.
In 2005, I was hospitalized for peritonitis, I spent 6 weeks in the ICU, and a total of 3 months in the hospital altogether. For 6 weeks, I was considered NPO, meaning nothing by mouth, only IV fluids. When I say nothing by mouth, I mean brushing your teeth without any water, no rinsing with water, no ice cubes to chew on, nothing.
I lost 60 lbs, I remember being weighed at a measly 162 lbs, at which point I was put on TPN (an intravenous kind of food) totaling 1000cals per day. The doc comes to me and tells me my body is now breaking down organ tissue for energy, which usually means that death is right next door. My left lung collapsed, and I was put given oxygen to breath. My ribs, hip bones, and spine were clearly visible, sporting a look of someone from a concentration camp. Will and determination can help you survive that which makes no human sense. [/quote]
Damn. Kinda think they would give you enough calories so your body was not trying to eat itself.
I’m interested in the restrictions and limits of the human mind, but I have to ask this: if Indian fakirs have known the secret to living a prolonged life without the need for food and water for thousands of years, then why are the Indian army only now cottoning on?
The reality is that a lot of modern stage illusions developed from tricks which originated in India (e.g. the infamous Indian rope trick and ‘lying on a bed of nails’), tricks which also share a common origin with a lot of demonstrations by Shaolin monks - tricks which are just as explainable (if you go back far enough, everything has a common root).
Having said that, I would not put these same tricks in the same category as a human being desperately fighting for life or ordinary people showing superhuman effort in desperate situations.
That is more about the nature of willpower more than how much can be done without food or water.
This is obviously true and happens all the time. Heck, My grandpa went 43 years without any food or water…my great-grandpa went over 68 years! That’s how long they’ve been dead.
Oh wait…are you saying this Jani guy’s still alive? Well then it’s obviously bullshit!
I saw this the other day. It is important to remember that many yogi are master illusionists, some are no more than street hustlers. They did say he was gargling and bathing so he had access to water…he would just have to be sneaky about how he got it into his system.
If this was somehow possible, it would be quite a breakthrough. I do feel that we have only nicked the surface of human potential so who knows.
He draws energy while he meditates? That’s like eating while taking a nap! Add some steaks, chickens, burgers, and potatoes and you’ve got a recipe for hyoogeness!!
Our understanding of our own bodies is extremely young so I don’t understand the stance some of the docs are taking on this. If he is cheating, why can’t they see this during all of this observation? If he isn’t cheating, maybe the soldiers need to learn some fucking meditation.
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I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating. Our understanding of our bodies is not that young. I hope you are just playing devil’s advocate.
If that’s your understanding of science and medicine I’ll be sure to keep you away from my mouth.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
I know calling you out on T-Nation is tantamount to treason, but as a person with advanced medical degrees you cannot seriously believe that this man lived for 72 years without food or urinating/defecating [/quote]
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying that. [quote] Our understanding of our bodies is not that young [/quote]
Relatively speaking, it is: medical science was dominated by the four humours through ancient Greece and Egypt up to Elizabethan times and beyond. Doctors diagnosed a patient’s condition by identifying a patient’s external mood and attributing it a build up of a particular humour within the body. This was the basis of medical science until the advent of pathology, at which point they realized that the humours didn’t exist.
