[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
National Guard + Border = no more illegals.
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That’s a simplistic view of the situation. We might as well build a great wall like China and we all know how well that worked. This is a problem that can’t be solved by something so simple.
Migrant workers (many of whom have been illegaly) are currently and have always been an important part of California. We have a agricultural base that is dependent upon those types of workers. Ironically enough we pretty much force these places to hire illegal workers because we expect our food to be dirt cheap. So the cost of labor has to be really low for these companies to make a profit. So if you hire American workers and pay them a higher wage then you end up going out of business because you have nobody to pass those costs onto. Of course there’s always government subsidies…
james
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While agree I also believe that it is not so much about the wages. People in this country are just so fucking lazy and refuse to do manual labor. I am in school and make $12 an hour (starting wage up $11 depending on shift) loading packages onto 18 wheelers but, because it is hard work we are constantly in need of new workers because many people quit after about a month.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also it bears mentioning that I spend a lot of time in Mexico…my family owns property and a house there.
I am asked quite frequently for my “papers” which is why I get a little pissed off when Latinos SCREAM RACISM when there is a law requiring them to show I.D. if they get pulled over.
OH DEE RACIST WHITEEEEEEEE[/quote]
You can get pissed but, can you not understand why Latinos are against it here? In Mexico they are not breaking any laws so they ask for you papers and of course they are going to be against it here why would they support something that can potentially stop them from providing a better life for their families and from sending money back home usually to older parents/relatives who are to old to work and in desperate need of money.
If you do in fact spend a lot of time in Mexico you should know that poverty there is much different than it is here. If you were in their position can you honestly say you would not do the same? Like I said I believe something has to be done but, I can not be mad at what they are doing because I would do the same thing.
Lastly, do not come back with “Well if they really want to be here they should do it legally” the chances that a person from those small towns with very little formal education gets papers is practically zero.
Wow Maverick. so then why did you respond you idiot. So everyone in this country lazy huh? Also those mexicans are not dumb, just lack the opportunities, right? You know I work with alot of Pakistan, Indians, Mexicans, Peruvians who did do it the right way you dumbass. They get pissed because they did the right way and actually have to pay taxes. Unlike those who did the wrong way, who pay nothing and get all them fucking welfare benefits. If you are mexican you know Im fucking right.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also it bears mentioning that I spend a lot of time in Mexico…my family owns property and a house there.
I am asked quite frequently for my “papers” which is why I get a little pissed off when Latinos SCREAM RACISM when there is a law requiring them to show I.D. if they get pulled over.
OH DEE RACIST WHITEEEEEEEE[/quote]
The difference is you are a foreigner in their country. In the USA Latinos have been here for 100 years before people ever showed up in Jamestown. Yet we are the ones getting the ‘ver r ur papres’ treatment.
As I said before, I think SB 1070 is a necessary evil, and it would probably hurt a Paki more than it would ever hurt me. As despite my profile pic, I am yellow skinned, and when I’m not tan most people just think I’m a Russian or something.
The dilemma for Latinos is that Chicanos in Arizona have been citzens for 150 years, yet they are subjected to these measures that treat them as if they are perpetual foreigners. It is a demeaning and humiliating ordeal.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Wow Maverick. so then why did you respond you idiot. So everyone in this country lazy huh? Also those mexicans are not dumb, just lack the opportunities, right? You know I work with alot of Pakistan, Indians, Mexicans, Peruvians who did do it the right way you dumbass. They get pissed because they did the right way and actually have to pay taxes. Unlike those who did the wrong way, who pay nothing and get all them fucking welfare benefits. If you are mexican you know Im fucking right. [/quote]
I reponded because you call someone an idiot when all of your posts are riddled with mistakes and read as if written by a child my “fellow friend”.
1)Where did I say everyone in this country is lazy I said “people”.
2)What Mexicans are you speaking of? Illegals? Are you saying they are all dumb?
3)No, I do not know you are right because my family/relatives have never taken and form of government handout. That your family is fucking lazy is a another issue.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also it bears mentioning that I spend a lot of time in Mexico…my family owns property and a house there.
I am asked quite frequently for my “papers” which is why I get a little pissed off when Latinos SCREAM RACISM when there is a law requiring them to show I.D. if they get pulled over.
OH DEE RACIST WHITEEEEEEEE[/quote]
The difference is you are a foreigner in their country. In the USA Latinos have been here for 100 years before people ever showed up in Jamestown. Yet we are the ones getting the ‘ver r ur papres’ treatment.
As I said before, I think SB 1070 is a necessary evil, and it would probably hurt a Paki more than it would ever hurt me. As despite my profile pic, I am white/yellow skinned, and when I’m not hanging out in a tanning bed or on a beach, I am your color.
Most people just think I’m a Russia, I’ve only had a handful of people in my life come up and just ‘know’ I was Latino. Everyone else thinks I’m from Eastern Europe if not from the USA.
The dilemma for Latinos is that Chicanos in Arizona have been citzens for 150 years, yet they are subjected to these measures that treat them as if they are perpetual foreigners. It is a demeaning and humiliating ordeal.
This is the problem with you guys. You claim on one hand that we are being ‘Mexican’ ‘Guatemalans’ instead of being Americans. Yet I have said countless times ,I am an American, yet you call me ‘Mexican’ you call me a ‘Puerto Rican.’
You all won’t even let me be American, even though I probably speak English better than you do.
I am an American Latino, my first languages are Spanish and English, I have Incan, Russian and Spanish blood in me. I am still an American though, I am not a Bolivian-American, I am an American. No matter how hard you guys try, you can’t change that. I am as much of an American as you are, and I am just as valid being a Latino and not an Anglo-Saxon - and an American.
You said people in this country are lazy, so you are implying all correct?
You stated that since they from a small town they cannot be smart enough to figure it out? You are implying they are dumb Mexicans on top of a mule or a donkey.
I did not state my family was fucking lazy you retard I stated that a bunch illegals do it and they are mostly Mexicans am I right or am I right?
Also I did not know we had to type college like on a blog my fellow friend.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also it bears mentioning that I spend a lot of time in Mexico…my family owns property and a house there.
I am asked quite frequently for my “papers” which is why I get a little pissed off when Latinos SCREAM RACISM when there is a law requiring them to show I.D. if they get pulled over.
OH DEE RACIST WHITEEEEEEEE[/quote]
The difference is you are a foreigner in their country. In the USA Latinos have been here for 100 years before people ever showed up in Jamestown. Yet we are the ones getting the ‘ver r ur papres’ treatment.
As I said before, I think SB 1070 is a necessary evil, and it would probably hurt a Paki more than it would ever hurt me. As despite my profile pic, I am white/yellow skinned, and when I’m not hanging out in a tanning bed or on a beach, I am your color.
Most people just think I’m a Russia, I’ve only had a handful of people in my life come up and just ‘know’ I was Latino. Everyone else thinks I’m from Eastern Europe if not from the USA.
The dilemma for Latinos is that Chicanos in Arizona have been citzens for 150 years, yet they are subjected to these measures that treat them as if they are perpetual foreigners. It is a demeaning and humiliating ordeal.[/quote]
But how do they know I am a foreigner in mexico…profile much??
If they want the U.S. to be so much like mexico, then stay in mexico…Mexican immigrants want the entitlements of the U.S. and nothing more.
The reason that the U.S. is safer and more prosperous than mexico is rule of law…it is not racist to ask for a drivers licence if you get pulled over in a car…it is the law of the land and designed to make it safe to live here, it is NOT racist.
Nobody can ask for I.D. without a reason…unlike in mexico.
Mexico, with the exception of a very few places is very dangerous to be in…why on earth do we want to turn the U.S. into the same shit hole.
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt. [/quote]
Yes, I am sure if China conquered your ass, in 100 years you’d be a goddamn anime wobble eyed mandarin speaking rice hat mofo, and completely unbothered by your people’s subjugation. :rolls eyes: WHY SPEAK ENGRISH WHEN CAN SPEAK CHINESE!
[quote]jre67t wrote:
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt. [/quote]
Yes, I am sure if China conquered your ass, in 100 years you’d be a goddamn anime wobble eyed mandarin speaking rice hat mofo, and completely unbothered by your people’s subjugation. :rolls eyes: WHY SPEAK ENGRISH WHEN CAN SPEAK CHINESE![/quote]
Nice strawman, Method.
hahaha love the ENGRISH tho…it’s funny because it’s true!!
[quote]jre67t wrote:
You said people in this country are lazy, so you are implying all correct?
You stated that since they from a small town they cannot be smart enough to figure it out? You are implying they are dumb Mexicans on top of a mule or a donkey.
I did not state my family was fucking lazy you retard I stated that a bunch illegals do it and they are mostly Mexicans am I right or am I right?
Also I did not know we had to type college like on a blog my fellow friend.
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I said people “people” that does not mean all.
I said that many that come to the U.S. are from small towns where they work from a young age and education is not a priority. It is hard to go to school when you have to work to keep from starving. They come here where they can do the same type of work they can find back home “manual” for better pay to support their families. Those with higher education do not come here illegally there is no need they already live comfortable lives.
You have stated many times in different threads that you get upset with your family/relatives because they take government hand outs and feel entitled to them. So, do not bullshit me they are lazy.
"Also I did not know we had to type college like on a blog my fellow friend. " LOL… what the is this?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
You said people in this country are lazy, so you are implying all correct?
You stated that since they from a small town they cannot be smart enough to figure it out? You are implying they are dumb Mexicans on top of a mule or a donkey.
I did not state my family was fucking lazy you retard I stated that a bunch illegals do it and they are mostly Mexicans am I right or am I right?
Also I did not know we had to type college like on a blog my fellow friend.
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I said people “people” that does not mean all.
I said that many that come to the U.S. are from small towns where they work from a young age and education is not a priority. It is hard to go to school when you have to work to keep from starving. They come here where they can do the same type of work they can find back home “manual” for better pay to support their families. Those with higher education do not come here illegally there is no need they already live comfortable lives.
"Also I did not know we had to type college like on a blog my fellow friend. " LOL… what the is this?
3) You have stated many times in different threads that you get upset with your family/relatives because they take government hand outs and feel entitled to them. So, do not bullshit me they are lazy.[/quote]
The end game is we cannot support this many new people…illegal immigrants cost the government (state and federal) 1153 BILLION dollars a year.
I’m sorry but if your point is correct and the majority of illegals are poor and uneducated, then they are much more likely to reproduce at a high rate and need enormous amounts of public assistance.
I don’t blame them, but it has to be stopped…the system can no longer support it.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt. [/quote]
Yes, I am sure if China conquered your ass, in 100 years you’d be a goddamn anime wobble eyed mandarin speaking rice hat mofo, and completely unbothered by your people’s subjugation. :rolls eyes: WHY SPEAK ENGRISH WHEN CAN SPEAK CHINESE![/quote]
Nice strawman, Method.
hahaha love the ENGRISH tho…it’s funny because it’s true!![/quote]
Can you say with any integrity that you wouldn’t go all Paul Revere if China conquered your state, even if it had been several generations later.
That makes it worse for real, the longer you have been dominated the more pissed off you will be.
Spain was ruled by Muslims for 800 years, so according to your logic, they should have just ‘gotten over it’ after one generation. I am sure the world would be a beautiful place if everyone had the same worm spinal chord that you do.
Because if it’s not California, don’t talk to me about California.
Maverick, I did reply to his post.
He started it out with “rednecks better stop pushing, or Latinos will push back.” Then I said, “people like Rohnyn are the problem.” Then he said “we are just better getting along.” Then he said, “give 1/3 of the US back to Mecha you pussies, I fucking dare you.” Sound about right ?
The guy started out with “everyone against illegal immigration is a redneck pushing Latinos to finally obtain total power over them.” Where that came from, Lord knows.
See, he (Rohnyn) is just like Obama. Impulsive. He lashed out without even looking at this issue. The same way Obama said “white cops acted stupidly” without knowing the facts. It’s ok, anyone against illegal immigration being called a racist is Chapter 1 in the La Raza handbook. Nothing new with that.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
And nobody wants to talk about how important all that money that immigrants (both legal and illegal) send back to Mexico…it is a HUGE part of that economy.
Which is why the Mexican government gets all hissy when the U.S. cracks down on illegals…they desperately need that money coming home.
I mean, why else would the mexican government join a lawsuit against the state of Arizona’s new immigration law…when that law is FAR LESS INVASIVE than mexico’s OWN IMMIGRATION LAW.
Riddle me that.[/quote]
I remember working at my first hotel and they did a Social Security number check. Nearly HALF of the housekeeping staff came back with completely different names and some others were deported! I’m not talking about using your middle name instead of your first name or your maiden name instead of your married name, either. I mean Maria Santiago came back as Guadalupe Estevez. I had to relearn everyone’s name after 18 months of calling them their other name. I finally gave up and just reverted back to calling them what I knew them as. [/quote]
Just think how many of those jobs could have gone to citizens and legal workers ?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt. [/quote]
Yes, I am sure if China conquered your ass, in 100 years you’d be a goddamn anime wobble eyed mandarin speaking rice hat mofo, and completely unbothered by your people’s subjugation. :rolls eyes: WHY SPEAK ENGRISH WHEN CAN SPEAK CHINESE![/quote]
Nice strawman, Method.
hahaha love the ENGRISH tho…it’s funny because it’s true!![/quote]
I am sure the world would be a beautiful place if the same worm spinal chord that you do.[/quote]
Hahaha more awesomeness…
The funny thing is my sock puppet hommie…you are not the conquered people…you were the conqueror and you were then defeated…big difference.
The world would be a beautiful place if every dollar that was given to illegals was cut off.
The world would be a beautiful place if 40% of the prison population in the West/Southwest was not latino.
The world would be a beautiful place if the FBI’s #1 most dangerous gang was not latino (MS-13).
[quote]jre67t wrote:
UtahLama they won’t and don’t want to understand the principles you state. I kind of equate to giving reparations to African-Americans. That happened to your grandparents and to some there parents not to you.
Like you stated US is safer because those in charge actually have integrity and follow the rule of law…not unlike Mexico where it so corrupt that everyone is only looking out for one’s own butt. [/quote]
Yes, I am sure if China conquered your ass, in 100 years you’d be a goddamn anime wobble eyed mandarin speaking rice hat mofo, and completely unbothered by your people’s subjugation. :rolls eyes: WHY SPEAK ENGRISH WHEN CAN SPEAK CHINESE![/quote]
Nice strawman, Method.
hahaha love the ENGRISH tho…it’s funny because it’s true!![/quote]
I am sure the world would be a beautiful place if the same worm spinal chord that you do.[/quote]
Hahaha more awesomeness…
The funny thing is my sock puppet hommie…you are not the conquered people…you were the conqueror and you were then defeated…big difference.
The world would be a beautiful place if every dollar that was given to illegals was cut off.
The world would be a beautiful place if 40% of the prison population in the West/Southwest was not latino.
The world would be a beautiful place if the FBI’s #1 most dangerous gang was not latino (MS-13).
Beautiful indeed.
Off to the gym, have a pleasant evening cabron.
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Not really. According to research that I can cite for you the average racial composition of the Chicanos of the Southwestern United States is abotu 32% Native American. That blood quantum puts them eligible to join all but 5 of the federally recognized US tribes.
I don’t see how you can say Indians conquered Indians man. That doesn’t make any sense. Those Chicanos, and Mexican Americans are more Indians than most of those fauxhicans on the reservations.
Further among Anglo-Saxon whites, Amerindian blood is on average abotu 2%. The mestizo Mexicans have far more claim to that soil than you all do.