[quote]on edge wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Because forbidding weight dropping and grunting is unamerican?
Dropping some weights is unamerican. I’m fine with dropping O-lifts and Deadlifts. If you get in over your head on a squat and need to ditch it, that’s entertainment.
If you drop dumbbells after a set of presses, fuck you. Learn to lift.[/quote]
Agree.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
If you drop dumbbells after a set of presses, fuck you. Learn to lift.
This statement usually comes from people who aren’t pressing over 120lbs dumbbells. There is a reason Ronnie Coleman dropped his dumbbells in his video at the end of a set. It is because when you are going that heavy, you actually risk injury trying to put them down softly when you have already reached failure or close to it.
I agree that it makes little sense for people to do this when they aren’t lifting anywhere near that heavy. However, I can completely understand why some guy pressing two 140-150lbs dumbbells is doing it.[/quote]
Agree with this too. It is extremely rare that I see someone lift this much.
Some high schooler broke a 25 pound dumbbell at the gym yesterday.
Fucking day off for Presidents Day…
[quote]on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
I suspect that you have no experience rocking it to your knees.
You suspect wrong. That is how I get them in position when I do them. Ending a set, however, with the most weight I can do is a different story
Using weights that heavy is a full body stress. It is not the same as lighter weights even if it is your personal max.
From what you’re saying, it doesn’t sound like you are talking about the same technique I am. With heavy weight, everyone kips the weight from their knees to their chest. Not to lockout possition, that would be too hard.
I am talking about going from lockout position at the end of a set and catching it with the thighs and rocking up. I could do this with 120’s even though I can’t come close to pressing it.[/quote]
That is a really cool technique and a neat skill, but the notion that someone should HAVE to learn it in order to lift somewhere is nitwittery.
Also I really hope that in the very acute stress of ending a difficult set you don’t roll backwards off the edge of the bench with a couple large dumbbells in your hands. If you have that much left I can’t help wondering about the set you just fininshed.
What about inclines or declines?
This whole conversation really is ridiculous.
We have one dude who kind of grunt counts for every single rep he does. He is a certified tool.
I bet I could get that newsbabe to set off the grunt alarm.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This topic has been on T-Nation before but seeing this video nauseated me. The name of that “gym”, if you can call it that, should be Planet Vagina and as much as I love vaginas I don’t use it in an endearing way in this instance.
You’d almost think you were watching a Saturday Night Live sketch in that video. If anyone ever finds that I have metamorphosed into a human being like one of those interviewed (or the interviewer) please, please hunt me down and kick me in my transformed reproductive organs HARD.
I agree with the poster who said that there are two different kinds of grunters:
I have no problem with grunter #2.
Same goes with dropping weights:
The “I’m so fuckin’ big and bad that I have to drop these big ass heavy dumbbells and I do it all the time to show off”.
The “I’m in trouble here. I gotta let 'em go this time”.
I have no problem with weight dropper #2.
Regardless, Planet Fatness and it’s League of Loyal Lunk Loathers are detestable.
However, this is indicative of what is rapidly permeating our society as a whole and consequently makes a website like this one stand out in stark contrast. [/quote]
Damn well said Push!
Since when did working out at the gym become equivalent to seeing an opera?
As long as they’re at it, I think they should require everyone to wear a dinner jacket and tie. Don’t want to offend anyone with those macho workout clothes, after all.
And definitely no sweating allowed. Sweating is gross and smelly and yucky.
Why don’t they just advertise the place as gay and get it over with.
[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
Why don’t they just advertise the place as gay and get it over with.[/quote]
First of all, there’s nothing decidedly unstrong about being “gay.” I’m willing to bet most of the fan boys on this site are straight. So enough with the homophobia.
Second, Planet Fitness makes it VERY clear that serious lifters are not welcome. That’s why this thread is stupid. If you don’t like the place, don’t patronize them.
There are many private gyms to train at. They charge $100 or more a month instead of the rates at places like Planet Fatness and 24 Hour Fatness.
If training in a serious environment is so important to you, put your money where your mouth is and train at a private facility.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
<<< I do believe it is a skill but not one that is difficult to learn and incorporate. >>>[/quote]
The point I was making is WHY. Fine, you learned it, maybe most others could too, but what the hell is happening to gyms when something like this becomes a priority?
If that’s the way you want to do it that’s fabulous, but what is the frickin tragedy if some guy does a legit ball busting set and drops the weight on the floor? You said nothing so I guess we mostly agree.
It’s like this folks, for anybody who’s training I could even begin to take seriously, even an overweight housewife with an ounce of commitment, THIS IS A NON ISSUE.
If it really hinders your achieving something you’re a weak characterless slug for whom anything like actual adversity will spell certain doom.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What about inclines or declines?
This whole conversation really is ridiculous.[/quote]
T, why ask the questions if the conversation is ridiculous?
Since you asked, Anyone who drops them from incline has no regard for gym equipment and probably thinks it’s cool to break dumbbells. The extra height and the likely angle the dumbbell will fall is brutal on them. The ease of going to your knees from that position makes it inexcusable.
Declines, I admit are a tough one for my stance. The knee technique is out of the question, so that leaves you with dropping it or sitting the edge of the DB on the edge of the bench by your hips, then sitting up. Bigger men won’t have the room to set it like this, so they don’t have a choice but drop it.
While I like the movement of Decline DB Press, if you don’t have spotters to hand you the weights, the exercise is such a pain in the ass to get in position, you may as well go and use a barbell with a rack.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
<<< Second, Planet Fitness makes it VERY clear that serious lifters are not welcome. That’s why this thread is stupid. If you don’t like the place, don’t patronize them. >>>[/quote]
OK, there’s a legit point to be sure. I wasn’t aware of how upfront this outfit is about not wanting serious people there.
It’s a cinch I haven’t been around the industry in a while.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
Why don’t they just advertise the place as gay and get it over with.
First of all, there’s nothing decidedly unstrong about being “gay.” I’m willing to bet most of the fan boys on this site are straight. So enough with the homophobia.
[/quote]
Agree. There are lots of strong gay dudes that train.
This thread is funny, not stupid. I would not train in that place nor do I listen to Britney Spears but I enjoy making fun of them.
[quote]
There are many private gyms to train at. They charge $100 or more a month instead of the rates at places like Planet Fatness and 24 Hour Fatness.
If training in a serious environment is so important to you, put your money where your mouth is and train at a private facility.[/quote]
Isn’t Planet Fitness private? Don’t you have to be a member to train there?
I dunno, this is the statement from their website. I guess everybody’s welcome unless they work hard enough to grunt sometimes. I can only imagine the “butt kicking” you’d get here huh?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:If training in a serious environment is so important to you, put your money where your mouth is and train at a private facility.[/quote]
I do train in a private facility. Costs a little more that $100.00 a month.
Get over yourself, it was just a statement and was not, although it probably should have been, addressed to you.
Are you fucking kidding me? what a load of crap.
[quote]on edge wrote:
<<<
T, why ask the questions if the conversation is ridiculous?
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I wasn’t directing this at any person, but the fact that we have to even think about something like this. I would think most gym floors would be forgiving enough to allow the dropping of equipment without breakage being very common, though I haven’t been everywhere or seen everything.
It just seems like with everything going on in the world that someone who would spend the time and money to join a place to improve themselves would be better served by learning how to overcome the distraction and calling it a personal victory than whining over what somebody else is doing.