[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mishima wrote:
@zap: even though it`s not really important for this thread, but Austria was first mentioned in a document in the year 996. Just a fact.
But the country as it is now is newer than the US.[/quote]
Not true, you forget Alaska and Hawai.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mishima wrote:
@zap: even though it`s not really important for this thread, but Austria was first mentioned in a document in the year 996. Just a fact.
But the country as it is now is newer than the US.
Not true, you forget Alaska and Hawai.
[/quote]
We merely added them to the mix. We did not write a new constitution.
You live in a new nation in an ancient land. Nothing to be ashamed of.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mishima wrote:
@zap: even though it`s not really important for this thread, but Austria was first mentioned in a document in the year 996. Just a fact.
But the country as it is now is newer than the US.
Not true, you forget Alaska and Hawai.
We merely added them to the mix. We did not write a new constitution.
You live in a new nation in an ancient land. Nothing to be ashamed of.[/quote]
Funny that my “new” nation is the “old” German Part of Austria.
It cosnists of 9 states that are also hundred of years old.
But if you derive any pleasure from it, think of it that way.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mishima wrote:
@zap: even though it`s not really important for this thread, but Austria was first mentioned in a document in the year 996. Just a fact.
But the country as it is now is newer than the US.
Not true, you forget Alaska and Hawai.
We merely added them to the mix. We did not write a new constitution.
You live in a new nation in an ancient land. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Funny that my “new” nation is the “old” German Part of Austria.
It cosnists of 9 states that are also hundred of years old.
But if you derive any pleasure from it, think of it that way.
[/quote]
No matter how you try the peg is still square and the hole is still round.
zap you are an intelligent guy - even if I don`t agree with most of what you are saying. But you are trying to make a point for the pleasure of making a point. you are wrong. every politican and historian in the whole word disagrees with you.
The history of country is more than it?s current constitution. And now please let`s stop this stupid discussion.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
zap you are an intelligent guy - even if I don`t agree with most of what you are saying. But you are trying to make a point for the pleasure of making a point. you are wrong. every politican and historian in the whole word disagrees with you.
The history of country is more than it?s current constitution. And now please let`s stop this stupid discussion.[/quote]
Ha!
You are far to kind dear Sir, but let us not waste our manners on these barbarians and let us tell it like it is.
You Zap have questioned our heritage.
There is, and can be, no excuse for that.
As the red-white-red banner has been dyed with the blood of our enemies, so shall your blood absolve you from your sin.
Or at least wash the stench of your mockeries, from these, um, electrodes (transistors? Mods?)!
I will hear from your seconds, if someone is reckless and ill-advised enough to second our early morning encounter.
After sunrise it is and I intend to have a healthy breakfast afterwards.
Orion
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Do they get to trade in the teenaged girls every few years?[/quote]
Well the marriage will sometimes last only 90 minutes so you can be out in no time looking for another.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Simon Forsyth wrote:
When I am told that it is that way by Iranians, and I have read about it and watched documentaries about it (as well as being briefed about it in relation to child sex crimes - from when I was working as a detention officer at Baxter IDF) I will say that since everyone knows it and it is done then I can pass it off as a “this is the way it is statement”…
Note that I didn’t say it happened to every 9yr old girl. Nor did I imply that every old man would choose a 9yr old, more often than not the girls will be teenagers.
Your sources obviously aren’t up to date pal. Look up the courageous work of Shirin Ebadi.[/quote]
Fuck you are thicker than pig shit, one person really doesnt make a difference nor will they until they get more people behind them and its not like the President of Iran is going to overly listen to world leaders.
How can one person change the desires of men and a way of live that is probably older than you?
Dont you need to Jihad yourself? eat your toblerone and shut the fuck up… have you seen it happening? No you havent? you read something some where about it. so dont jump in on a subject you dont know much if anything about.
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
Fuck you are thicker than pig shit, one person really doesnt make a difference nor will they until they get more people behind them and its not like the President of Iran is going to overly listen to world leaders.
How can one person change the desires of men and a way of live that is probably older than you?
Dont you need to Jihad yourself? eat your toblerone and shut the fuck up… have you seen it happening? No you havent? you read something some where about it. so dont jump in on a subject you dont know much if anything about.[/quote]
My, my…looks like I’ve hit a nerve somewhere.
Here’s the thing: [u]It is illegal to marry 9 years old in Iran![/u]
Does it happen? Maybe. Let me remind you of what you wrote a couple of pages ago:
“This is from a country where you can buy a Salee (thats how its pronounced but I cant spell it for shit) wife - even if your married - which can last for as little as 90 minutes to as long as 99 years, often old men will convince a young girl (as young as 9 yrs old) that they should be their salee wife because they are hard workers and what not… They are just legal pedophiles but it happens… I hate Iran anyway the fucking country stinks.”
Is it legal to bludgeon people to death in Australia? No. Does it happen? You bet! But that is no reason to say that it’s part of the Australian lifestyle, now is it?
You sound - and argue - like an angry kid.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Simon Forsyth wrote:
Fuck you are thicker than pig shit, one person really doesnt make a difference nor will they until they get more people behind them and its not like the President of Iran is going to overly listen to world leaders.
How can one person change the desires of men and a way of live that is probably older than you?
Dont you need to Jihad yourself? eat your toblerone and shut the fuck up… have you seen it happening? No you havent? you read something some where about it. so dont jump in on a subject you dont know much if anything about.
My, my…looks like I’ve hit a nerve somewhere.
Here’s the thing: [u]It is illegal to marry 9 years old in Iran![/u]
Does it happen? Maybe. Let me remind you of what you wrote a couple of pages ago:
“This is from a country where you can buy a Salee (thats how its pronounced but I cant spell it for shit) wife - even if your married - which can last for as little as 90 minutes to as long as 99 years, often old men will convince a young girl (as young as 9 yrs old) that they should be their salee wife because they are hard workers and what not… They are just legal pedophiles but it happens… I hate Iran anyway the fucking country stinks.”
Is it legal to bludgeon people to death in Australia? No. Does it happen? You bet! But that is no reason to say that it’s part of the Australian lifestyle, now is it?
You sound - and argue - like an angry kid.[/quote]
Fair enough you think I sound like an angry kid being 25 years old I know that I am not the oldest or wisest guy on the block but, if it marrying a 9 yr old girl i quite common in a country then I am free to say that it is common, since you like to read what I write a lot (I hope you dont cry and wank at the same time as read what I have written) you will see that I wrote
[u] …often old men will convince a young girl (as young as 9 yrs old)[/u]
I want you to go see how I have written that old men (over 45) often do it, since your up to date with iranian law then why dont you take on a case for some poor heroin adict sex slave?
I also noted that you didnt bother to mention that chick who won the nobel prize… She isnt known for mentioning too much about Salee wifes… So why did you bring her up?
I think you need to understand that the internet is a great method of open communication but how many people have really changed their minds when they argue online? I have seen what I have seen and I have also spoken to people from Iran who have been involved in the whole prostitution. Salee wife fiasco as opposed to you who has read some books (at best) but has probably been looking online for information.
To answer your question (which I have already done… but will continue because I can). Fighting is actually a big part of Australian life. We are renowned for our fighting abilities, especially in war. Shit we were originally a prison.
You say I sound like an angry kid but I am frustrated that you wont let it go, you don’t understand that I am right and you are way off and are now trying to nit pick. I think your just a lonely little man who has nothing better to do than try and argue with people. Grow up kid you have been proven wrong on more than one occasion so stop trying to pick fault with what I said…
If you wanna continue with your shitty point then try and prove me wrong instead of just saying “its illegal”… I can name 100 thjings that are illegal that happen everyday but I dont…
Get substance in your arguments, grow a set of balls then come back and tell me I am wrong.
By the way do you know what the sex slave industry is liek… If you do then you will see that I am right again.
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
Fair enough you think I sound like an angry kid being 25 years old I know that I am not the oldest or wisest guy on the block but, if it marrying a 9 yr old girl i quite common in a country then I am free to say that it is common, since you like to read what I write a lot (I hope you dont cry and wank at the same time as read what I have written) you will see that I wrote
[u] …often old men will convince a young girl (as young as 9 yrs old)[/u]
I want you to go see how I have written that old men (over 45) often do it, since your up to date with iranian law then why dont you take on a case for some poor heroin adict sex slave? [/quote]
Say what you will, you do come off as an ignorant angry kid. Might be your unwarranted cursing and swearing. Might be the typos in your posts. Might be your recurrent Toblerone references. Or, it could simply be you declaration that you “hate Iran”.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions, but don’t try to portray your experience as some general rule governing Iranian society.
Because she was behind the reversal of the law.
People with an open mind benefit from arguments. Bigots usually end up trying to coerce people.
I have never been to Iran, but I do know a boatload of Iranians from all over the political spectrum.
Mmmmkay.
No, it’s not nitpicking. Your tried to present the 9-years-old marriage as something widespread. I pointed out that it wasn’t.
If your point was that the 9-year-old-marriages are aberrations, then I can hardly agree more with you. Those who engage in it are criminals and the scum of the earth.
[quote]orion wrote:
You are far to kind dear Sir, but let us not waste our manners on these barbarians and let us tell it like it is.
You Zap have questioned our heritage.
There is, and can be, no excuse for that.
[/quote]
Great, you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.
[quote]lixy wrote:
If your point was that the 9-year-old-marriages are aberrations, then I can hardly agree more with you. Those who engage in it are criminals and the scum of the earth.[/quote]
I agree. The Iranian government (who condones this) is criminal and the scum of the earth.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I agree. The Iranian government (who condones this) is criminal and the scum of the earth.[/quote]
No they don’t. Get your facts straight already.
I read in the post above that the law was reversed? If this is true, doesn’t it mean that it was a law at one time, and if it was a law, then didn’t the Iranian government condone it?
When was the law reversed, if indeed it was?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Simon Forsyth wrote:
Fair enough you think I sound like an angry kid being 25 years old I know that I am not the oldest or wisest guy on the block but, if it marrying a 9 yr old girl i quite common in a country then I am free to say that it is common, since you like to read what I write a lot (I hope you dont cry and wank at the same time as read what I have written) you will see that I wrote
[u] …often old men will convince a young girl (as young as 9 yrs old)[/u]
I want you to go see how I have written that old men (over 45) often do it, since your up to date with iranian law then why dont you take on a case for some poor heroin adict sex slave?
Say what you will, you do come off as an ignorant angry kid. Might be your unwarranted cursing and swearing. Might be the typos in your posts. Might be your recurrent Toblerone references. Or, it could simply be you declaration that you “hate Iran”.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions, but don’t try to portray your experience as some general rule governing Iranian society.
I also noted that you didnt bother to mention that chick who won the nobel prize… She isnt known for mentioning too much about Salee wifes… So why did you bring her up?
Because she was behind the reversal of the law.
I think you need to understand that the internet is a great method of open communication but how many people have really changed their minds when they argue online?
People with an open mind benefit from arguments. Bigots usually end up trying to coerce people.
I have seen what I have seen and I have also spoken to people from Iran who have been involved in the whole prostitution. Salee wife fiasco as opposed to you who has read some books (at best) but has probably been looking online for information.
I have never been to Iran, but I do know a boatload of Iranians from all over the political spectrum.
To answer your question (which I have already done… but will continue because I can). Fighting is actually a big part of Australian life. We are renowned for our fighting abilities, especially in war. Shit we were originally a prison.
Mmmmkay.
You say I sound like an angry kid but I am frustrated that you wont let it go, you don’t understand that I am right and you are way off and are now trying to nit pick.
No, it’s not nitpicking. Your tried to present the 9-years-old marriage as something widespread. I pointed out that it wasn’t.
If you wanna continue with your shitty point then try and prove me wrong instead of just saying “its illegal”… I can name 100 thjings that are illegal that happen everyday but I dont…
If your point was that the 9-year-old-marriages are aberrations, then I can hardly agree more with you. Those who engage in it are criminals and the scum of the earth.[/quote]
Ok mr I know Iran… here is one for you.
"The Iranian government accepts in 1958 that giving a woman
in marriage without her consent is slavery. But with deep regret
when we open the book of our Civil Code in 1998 we see it is
said the marriage age in Iran is 9 lunar years for girls and 15 lunar
years for boys.
Apart the point that 9 lunar years is a low age for marriage the
problem does not stop there. Because the same law says the
father or the paternal ancestor has the right to give a girl in
marriage before the age of puberty, is less than 9 years of age.
In this way a father or a paternal ancestor has the right to give
a one-month girl in marriage."
This was found by a friend with a simple 5 second search for Iran Child Brides … anyway tell me I am wrong now…
Oh thats right you cant… I hope you have that toblerone handy so you can eat that and stop gobbing off.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I read in the post above that the law was reversed? If this is true, doesn’t it mean that it was a law at one time, and if it was a law, then didn’t the Iranian government condone it? [/quote]
Yes, it did. But the people didn’t accept it, and a law was passed that prohibits the practice. It’s proof that the system is healthy.
If you wanna talk about human rights, I suggest you pick on the absolute monarchies and not on republics.
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
Ok mr I know Iran… here is one for you.
"The Iranian government accepts in 1958 that giving a woman
in marriage without her consent is slavery. But with deep regret
when we open the book of our Civil Code in 1998 we see it is
said the marriage age in Iran is 9 lunar years for girls and 15 lunar
years for boys.
Apart the point that 9 lunar years is a low age for marriage the
problem does not stop there.[/quote]
Wake up! It’s 2007, not 1998. Khatami did a lot of things for the country that you don’t seem to be aware of. That includes changing the age of consent from 9 to 13 for girls, and from 14 to 15 for boys.
If it wasn’t for the infamous “axis of evil” speech and the Iraq war, conservative fucks like Amhmadinejad wouldn’t stand a chance in the elections.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Wake up! It’s 2007, not 1998. Khatami did a lot of things for the country that you don’t seem to be aware of. That includes changing the age of consent from 9 to 13 for girls, and from 14 to 15 for boys.
If it wasn’t for the infamous “axis of evil” speech and the Iraq war, conservative fucks like Amhmadinejad wouldn’t stand a chance in the elections.[/quote]
You are trying to pick faults with my argument yet your not dis-proving my initial statement which was “this is what happens”. I have to point out a few things to you. so here we go:
I never made an absolute statement saying that 9yr olds get married every day, my statement pointed out the extreme at which it happens.
I provided information that was first hand because it came from me, I then presented second hand information on more than 2 occasions, all your information is pretty much summed up as emotional third/forth hand information (one would assume to try and pick fault with a comment that wasn’t absolute nor concrete).
I have been to Iran and have spent too long with many Iranians (I used to work at Baxter IDF as a detention officer for Australian Immigration so I had access to information about men, women and children that was official from both my government and the Iranian government - all information supported what both governments said). You have not been to Iran so that doesn’t put you in as good a place as I to say what its like in Iran.
You try and come across as more knowledgeable than I yet you give small facts here and there about unrelated topics.
You will notice that after asking you to prove me wrong your mightiest rebuttal is to point out that I have tempos so that must make me an angry kid. Apparently my reference also makes me a troubled teen or something like that. To set the facts straight I was previously enlisted in the Australian Army, after that I worked at Baxter IDF (previously mentioned) as a detention officer/Private security, during all of this I have gained my Bachelors in Psychology and Philosophy with honors (not bad for a kid).
Your are not able to form an impartial opinion due to your Pro Islam comments (Islam is one of the few religions I can tolerate so dont think I hate arabs/muslims).
You made a comment about the fact I stated that I hate Iran. Well having been there I am allowed to say that I hate Iran. I have been to France as well and I can say that I hate France and too a degree I don’t overly like America (doesn’t mean I am anti-American I just don’t like certain things about it). If you would like to know what I don’t like about Iran then here is a small list:
So as you can see I don’t like the country and I am allowed to say that. Can you??? No you cant.
So finally get over it ok, you have nothing to back your argument up with. I do.
Now here are my personal thought about you:
~ You like to start arguments.
~ I think you are the type of person who want to be important so by arguing and calling people angry kids you feel more superior and important.
~ People are sick of you complaining and you are proven wrong with you shitty arguments and even in your logic. So why bother.
~ You now have to realize that everyone here can prove you wrong so don’t see it as us hurting your ego.
~ I think that you are actually a young kid or maybe your just starting college (community college in some shit-splat place).
I see that your an angry kid but its good to see someone so young trying to grasp ethics and politics… Well done son I am proud of you…
Now since you have been so good I will give you a Toblerone.
Now drop it ok, your starting to embarrass yourself (I think your a troll - Pink hair and all).
N.B. - Salee is actually written as follows “sigheh”.
Here is part of an article which can be found at the following address http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467739732&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
“Even more astonishing, Iran’s new Islamic-guided government has established a system of legalized prostitution, through the practice of “sigheh” or “temporary marriages,” by which a mullah arranges a “legal union” between a man and a girl (some as young as nine years old) for a fee. The so-called marriage can last anywhere from one hour to 99 years. Under this system, men are free to enter into as many temporary marriages as they so desire, without having any legal obligation or responsibility toward the women and children that they “marry” only to use as sexual objects and slaves.”
And also if your all for Islam you will know that Mohammed had a child bride.
End of rant now realise yoru wrong Lixy and fuck off.
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
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[/quote]
Once more, you’re evading the only point I’ve been addressing (i.e: 9-year-old marriages are exceptional and not accepted by the Iranian society). All the while, you continue to build strawmen and use non-constructive language.
I do believe zawaj al-muta’a is a form of legalized prostitution, and I don’t think there’s anything remotely Islamic about it. Marriage is sacred in my view, and the Iranians are making a sham out of the institution. We can probably agree on that much.
I have never been to Iran, but I can imagine that a third-world country whose institutions are a couple of decades old, which had a devastating war with Iraq (defensive might I add), and which is enduring harsh sanctions for enriching uranium (which it has the right to do under the NPT), is probably a dirty stinking place. Heck, you’d have a hard time finding any third world country with a decent level of urban cleanliness. That’s still no reason for you to profess your hate for the country based on that. “Hate” is not a term to be used loosely.
The point remains that you tried to pass the 9-year-old marriages as something widespread. I called BS. You probably weren’t aware of the efforts of feminists, youth, and other reformists because they don’t make front-page, and so I am assuming your statement was ignorant, but not malicious.
You do come off as a bit younger than 25. Besides a few well-known trolls, I don’t know of anyone genuinely interested in debate using expressions such as “fuck off” to make a point. I disagree whole heartedly with the views of many people around here, but we manage to keep the debate civilized.
I don’t see the point you are trying to make quoting the Jerusalem Post or any of your other sources. Try to state it unambiguously.