No Energy on TRT? Here's Help

[quote]entheogens wrote:
Dr.PowerClean wrote:

Trazodone works quite well as a sleep aid, probably in 6-7 out of 10 patients. Some folks get grogginess in the morning from it, this can be alleviated taking it two hours before bed, or working with the dose.                               Doc

So, would it be possible for me to switch from Amitryptyline to Trazodone, just to test it out. By this, I mean, should I gradually taper off the Amitryptyline (i.e. reduce dosage…I take 30mg/night)before trying the Trazodone or can I just immediately switch from Amitryptyline?

I will have to go see my Kaiser Permanente Doctor, of course, to do this, but I was wondering what your opinion was.

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To play it safe, I would taper the Amitryptyline to 15mg for three days, then off, while starting the Trazodone at the same time (typically at 50mg). The trazodone can then be adjusted upward as needed, sometimes 200mg or more are needed.

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[quote]KSman wrote:
You sleep aids/drugs may be a major issue. I had been using a antihistamine type non-benadryl sleep aid for years. I think that that was messing things up, but one does need to sleep. The first night on traz gave me a deep sleep and I felt fantastic and energized the next day. I was stunned.

These things were transforming for me and I wanted to share my experiences in case some others might recognize some of these things in themselves.

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That’s your problem right there. Read the directions on those OTC sleep aids. Do not take for more then 2 weeks. Something similar happened to me. Doctor said my body was basicially in a constant state of drowsiness. I didn’t take them for anywhere near years.All I had to do was stop taking them and everything went back to normal. I couldn’t believe the difference after 3-4 days.

Excellent thread. Some great info here.

[quote]–X-- wrote:
KSman wrote:
You sleep aids/drugs may be a major issue. I had been using a antihistamine type non-benadryl sleep aid for years. I think that that was messing things up, but one does need to sleep. The first night on traz gave me a deep sleep and I felt fantastic and energized the next day. I was stunned.

These things were transforming for me and I wanted to share my experiences in case some others might recognize some of these things in themselves.

Edit: minor changes

That’s your problem right there. Read the directions on those OTC sleep aids. Do not take for more then 2 weeks. Something similar happened to me. Doctor said my body was basicially in a constant state of drowsiness. I didn’t take them for anywhere near years.All I had to do was stop taking them and everything went back to normal. I couldn’t believe the difference after 3-4 days.[/quote]

I really tried to get of those things, but as time went by, it became to be impossible to get to sleep otherwise. Sleeping with an OTC is better than no sleep at all. Some get caught in that bind and need to make the same choice. I also wanted to avoid prescription drugs as many of those have significant problems as well.

[quote]fedorov wrote:
This thread jumped out at me because I am showing all the symptoms…incredible fatigue and no drive to accomplish anything.

I am hypothyroid (since 2003) and 200 mcg of levoxyl is dealing with that. My testicular function went out the window (discovered early 2007) and two packets of androgel is dealing with that.

Two months ago I began 1 mg anastrazole weekly to keep estradiol down.
All my numbers are “in range” and all I want to do is take a nap!

I have an appt this week to see about this fatigue issue. It is very frustrating as I am not one to run and whine to the Dr. about every little thing.
I do think I will see about the wellbutrin and hopefully this will help.
Thanks for lettin me vent.[/quote]

If I remember correctly, levoxl is pure T4. HRT is notorious for preventing the conversion of T4 to T3. With no T3, you’re sunk. No energy, weight gain, loss of libido, recognize anything yet?
I had to inform my first doctor about the HRT/Thyroid issue, she ran my blood work and my T3 had gone way down. I am on Armour thyroid which contains both T4 and T3, (4:1 ratio) and really happy with the results. I hope this helps you.

Thanks KNB.
Through info on this forum-I switched over to Armour about 10 days ago.
I suppose it is still too early, but I do feel more energized and have a bit more trouble sleeping. I will see how this dosage goes, perhaps it may need adjusting.

[quote]fedorov wrote:
Thanks KNB.
Through info on this forum-I switched over to Armour about 10 days ago.
I suppose it is still too early, but I do feel more energized and have a bit more trouble sleeping. I will see how this dosage goes, perhaps it may need adjusting.[/quote]

Amazing, huh? You changed meds and you don’t want to nap all the time… It sounds like you and and Armour will be life long friends. Do you dose once or twice a day? If just once, and you’re still wired late at night, your dosage may need a slight adjustment, or you may adjust and appreciate the extra “edge” you gain during the day.
I suffer from adrenal fatigue “adrenal hypofunction” as my doctor says, I am on 3-90mg tabs of Armour, a iodine-potassium iodide tablet, DLPA -1500mg A.M. and 1000mg in the afternoon, and isocort an adrenal supplement, 1mg of B6, and 1mg of B12 IM/week along with 3ml of adrenal cortex IM/week too.
This doesn’t include my T shots, or my HCG shots or my supplements either.My doctor says I have a strong, “bumpy” pulse. The DLPA and the the other stuff wires me pretty well until around 9 or 10 pm, and then I sleep, 'cause I’m tired by then and the supps have worn off.

Ksman,

How is this protocol, specifically, wellebutrin, working out for you now?