No Days Off?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
The whole concept sounds pretty silly to me as you don’t grow muscle working out, you tear it down only to be grown while resting

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My chest is resting while I am training biceps. My legs are resting while I am training chest. Where did the muscles come from if we have it all wrong? I trained many weeks with no days off when I was in the military. My workouts were short and I usually only trained one body part a day. The problem with what you are writing is that it ignores THAT THIS WORKED for some people.

You can’t make blanket statements about everyone’s recovery and the belief that no human can do that without steroids is pure ignorant comedy.

In fact, in my opinion I would say those who do recover faster are most likely to reach truly extreme levels of development. I would not expect the same of the guy who thinks he needs to add more rest days when he is already only training 3-4 days a week.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Again it really comes down to learning your body and recovery. At the end of the day it’s really hard to overtrain.

Here is a video from Mark Bell, someone who lifts heavy a lot, squats over a grand talking about how its so hard to overtrain, kinda just shits on the idea.

Awesome vid, awesome attitude. “Maybe you should go collect some stamps.” Lol

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I can’t see why it would be so bad, just train everyday and if you feel like you need a rest day take one. You could theoretically train everyday and if you want rest you could just train in a lighter weight range maybe. I’ve never done it so can’t really give you a guide, but just try it and see what happens, keep a good training log so you can follow your progress. It might be the best thing you ever did, it may be the worst…who knows?

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Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]
“As opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…?”
More food.
I know right?
Fucking mind-blowing.

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]
“As opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…?”
More food.
I know right?
Fucking mind-blowing.[/quote]

Yeah, and solving the budget crisis requires more money. fucking mind-blowing you idiot. Throw some percentages out there or stfu. All you just said was “I don’t know.”

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]
“As opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…?”
More food.
I know right?
Fucking mind-blowing.[/quote]

Yeah, and solving the budget crisis requires more money. fucking mind-blowing you idiot. Throw some percentages out there or stfu. All you just said was “I don’t know.”

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Haha. Wow.
If it’s this complex for you, good luck.

It’s really as easy as I say, for instance you eat more on training days, correct?
So, logically if you trained more, you’d eat like that more often.

Unless, of course, you eat like total shit and have no base knowledge of nutrition…
In that case there are several extremely informative and stickied threads in the nutrition forum.

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]
“As opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…?”
More food.
I know right?
Fucking mind-blowing.[/quote]

Yeah, and solving the budget crisis requires more money. fucking mind-blowing you idiot. Throw some percentages out there or stfu. All you just said was “I don’t know.”

[/quote]
Haha. Wow.
If it’s this complex for you, good luck.

It’s really as easy as I say, for instance you eat more on training days, correct?
So, logically if you trained more, you’d eat like that more often.

Unless, of course, you eat like total shit and have no base knowledge of nutrition…
In that case there are several extremely informative and stickied threads in the nutrition forum.[/quote]

Now is the time for you to say one thing, just one thing, of use, or quit posting. “Intelligent pursuit of muscle” does not equate to simply eating more. I think if you want to bring this kind of vague reasoning to a forum you’ll find plenty of people who will laud your aggressive style and complete lack of scientific data on bb.com. Cheers.

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First, voodoo isn’t wrong. If you have the genetics to recover at a level that allows this, there is nothing more to it than making sure you fuel the machine. That’s it. It is NOT more complicated than that…and no, the guy who won’t eat enough to gain any weight will likely not recover fast enough to do this.

No one knows or could know if YOU can make optimal progress doing this.

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]

Nailing peri workout nutrition/supps. 3 solid meals a day and also a huge meal at least a couple of times a week, or 4+ meals every day

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, voodoo isn’t wrong. If you have the genetics to recover at a level that allows this, there is nothing more to it than making sure you fuel the machine. That’s it. It is NOT more complicated than that…and no, the guy who won’t eat enough to gain any weight will likely not recover fast enough to do this.

No one knows or could know if YOU can make optimal progress doing this.[/quote]

If it’s not more complicated than that, then why do the T-Nation coaches write up programs that call for rest days? Why doesn’t everyone just eat like a horse and train seven days a week? I’m not trying to be a smartass here, but I ask more questions when the answer looks too simple.

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, voodoo isn’t wrong. If you have the genetics to recover at a level that allows this, there is nothing more to it than making sure you fuel the machine. That’s it. It is NOT more complicated than that…and no, the guy who won’t eat enough to gain any weight will likely not recover fast enough to do this.

No one knows or could know if YOU can make optimal progress doing this.[/quote]

If it’s not more complicated than that, then why do the T-Nation coaches write up programs that call for rest days? Why doesn’t everyone just eat like a horse and train seven days a week? I’m not trying to be a smartass here, but I ask more questions when the answer looks too simple. [/quote]

Why do you think the biggest people here relied on the authors on this site to get that way?

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Also, once again, BODYBUILDING IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. Most of the people logging in won’t ever see a muscular 18" arm (if any idiots start discussing height and how smaller arms can look muscular, shoot yourself for needing that added at all times just so you stop griping). These authors, especially guys like Waterbury, seem to make programs aimed at people with the WORST genetics for bodybuilding. Someone like that won’t ever get huge regardless so why would someone with a goal of more follow THAT template?

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…and please tell me you aren’t crazy enough to believe anyone here means never take a day off.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, voodoo isn’t wrong. If you have the genetics to recover at a level that allows this, there is nothing more to it than making sure you fuel the machine. That’s it. It is NOT more complicated than that…and no, the guy who won’t eat enough to gain any weight will likely not recover fast enough to do this.

No one knows or could know if YOU can make optimal progress doing this.[/quote]

If it’s not more complicated than that, then why do the T-Nation coaches write up programs that call for rest days? Why doesn’t everyone just eat like a horse and train seven days a week? I’m not trying to be a smartass here, but I ask more questions when the answer looks too simple. [/quote]

Why do you think the biggest people here relied on the authors on this site to get that way?[/quote]

Honestly the ONLY safe spots IMO for GOOD/SOLID/REAL information on bodybuilding websites are the forums. My personal rule and what I like to tell people is to pretend bodybuilding sites are only forums, everything else is crap.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and please tell me you aren’t crazy enough to believe anyone here means never take a day off.[/quote]

Of course not. Forgive the hyperbole. However, what I’m getting from what you’re saying is that it’s not just a matter of eating more, that it is in fact as much a matter of genetics.

I feel the need to clarify that when I say it’s not that simple, I mean it seems preposterous that all the research, all the analysis, all the charts and relayed experience of professional coaches concerning macronutrient percentages, food choices, micronutrition, insulin sensitivity, etc. etc. etc. can be thrown under the headline “eat more.”
I understand that more volume of training requires more calories. Simple. However there has to be a point of diminishing returns.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Again it really comes down to learning your body and recovery. At the end of the day it’s really hard to overtrain.

Here is a video from Mark Bell, someone who lifts heavy a lot, squats over a grand talking about how its so hard to overtrain, kinda just shits on the idea.

Power Project Q&A: Overtrained CNS? - YouTube [/quote]

Awesome vid, awesome attitude. “Maybe you should go collect some stamps.” Lol [/quote]

His Q and A videos are all golden. Funny guy, too.

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and please tell me you aren’t crazy enough to believe anyone here means never take a day off.[/quote]

Of course not. Forgive the hyperbole. However, what I’m getting from what you’re saying is that it’s not just a matter of eating more, that it is in fact as much a matter of genetics.

I feel the need to clarify that when I say it’s not that simple, I mean it seems preposterous that all the research, all the analysis, all the charts and relayed experience of professional coaches concerning macronutrient percentages, food choices, micronutrition, insulin sensitivity, etc. etc. etc. can be thrown under the headline “eat more.”
I understand that more volume of training requires more calories. Simple. However there has to be a point of diminishing returns. [/quote]

Usually when the term “eat more” is used it’s being directed at the kids who weigh 150 on a full stomach who label themselves as “hardgainers” when in reality they are eating about the same as a 7 year old girl would. Obviously it’s not that simple but to some kids who overthink things when they don’t have the basics nailed down, they do need to be told something as simple as “lift heavy, eat more” to steer them in the right direction.

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I have gone continuously without a day off for 3 to 4 weeks at a time. I actually used a split similar to the one listed at the beginning. I spread certain things as far apart as I could. i.e. Chest and shoulders, back and legs. This was because I felt that there is so much shoulder involved in the chest work and so much back involved in the leg work and vice versa. I also used my arm days almost as a day off for the major muscles using it to separate Chest and Back (two of my heavy days).

I had pretty good size and strength gains doing this. I actually lost some fat during this time too. After about 3 weeks or so I could tell I needed a day or two off. I could just feel it. I took 3 days off at the end and when I came back I felt great. Stronger and fuller. I haven’t tried it as a continuous program though.

I kept my caloric intake high. I like to get at least 1.5g protein/lb. and would match with carbs and keep fat about 100grams or less each day. For serious mass you could of course run your carbs up but I refer to try to gain leaner (although probably slower).

I hope this is beneficial. Of course if not I’m sure someone will rip me good. Some of you guys are vicious in here.

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[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
Somebody want to say something about what exactly “proper nutrition” would entail in a case like this? I know it’s completely dependent upon the individual, but framed in an “as opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…” kind of way.

I’m just curious. There seem to be some people here ready to gut someone for disagreeing with the everyday-plan, but very little USEFUL information is being given, as is usually the case around here.[/quote]
“As opposed to training 3-4 times a week, training every fucking day requires…?”
More food.
I know right?
Fucking mind-blowing.[/quote]

Yeah, and solving the budget crisis requires more money. fucking mind-blowing you idiot. Throw some percentages out there or stfu. All you just said was “I don’t know.”

[/quote]
Haha. Wow.
If it’s this complex for you, good luck.

It’s really as easy as I say, for instance you eat more on training days, correct?
So, logically if you trained more, you’d eat like that more often.

Unless, of course, you eat like total shit and have no base knowledge of nutrition…
In that case there are several extremely informative and stickied threads in the nutrition forum.[/quote]

Now is the time for you to say one thing, just one thing, of use, or quit posting. “Intelligent pursuit of muscle” does not equate to simply eating more. I think if you want to bring this kind of vague reasoning to a forum you’ll find plenty of people who will laud your aggressive style and complete lack of scientific data on bb.com. Cheers.[/quote]
Would you like me to explain to you what a carb is?
I don’t understand what you want, brah.

Increased calorie expenditure requires increased calorie intake to be effective.
Period.
There are many different ways to accomplish this, all more or less effective for different people and different physiologies.

Now, assuming you know the basics of how to eat, you should be able to figure out how to best go about that for yourself. (If you don’t then I reccomend CT’s Nutrition for Newbies)
Personally, if I’m training non-stop I have to get in roughly 300g of carbs a day (mostly peri-workout) to feel good.
However I know plenty of people who would get fat eating that amount of carbs every day, no matter how they trained, so you see why I would be wary to give any advice overly specific to someone over the internet.
I don’t know how they respond to different nutrients.
I don’t know how they respond to training frequency.
Basically, I don’t know how they train, or how they eat.
So, how would I be justified in saying something like, “consume 211% of your normal carbohydrate consumption.”

A cookie cutter question gets a cookie cutter answer, eat more.