I’ve heard there’s a new federation on its way now. True to American tradition, it will dominate everyone. The winner will be the one with the most money who can buy the most advanced modell. You will get a robotic skeleton, and the winner will not any longer be announced in hundreds of kilos, but in tonnes.
[quote]stallion wrote:
I’ve heard there’s a new federation on its way now. True to American tradition, it will dominate everyone. The winner will be the one with the most money who can buy the most advanced modell. You will get a robotic skeleton, and the winner will not any longer be announced in hundreds of kilos, but in tonnes.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Gaining weight for a period of 1 year prior to competition is strictly forbidden because it may make skin tighter and supportive.[/quote]
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
. oh wait… thats just my squat going to shit because I blew both my knees out from all my raw squatting.[/quote]
If you are made of clay then stop lifting you big pussy.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
Beats me. I guess no-one can explain it and are quite defensive about it and hide the subject behind the avalance of “jokes” that appear in every thread on this matter.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
actually a good question. I’m not a powerlifter but would like to do a meet someday. I understand theres a huge difference between a bench shirt/squat suit vs wearing a belt but I would also like to know why a belt is allowed in a raw meet. Powerlifting is a cool sport and I like knowing the origins/reasonings behind why sports are done the way they are.
like I said… In the world according to me raw would mean raw… For the record I did compete in first ''no bench shirt allowed nationals’l back in '94… That was before the term raw was used
it is fun to joke about it… But I do think raw should be raw… No belts, no wraps
as for equipment use… The only restriction I like is ‘‘no moving parts’’… Unlimited ply, 5 suits_ whatever… Post BIG NUMBERS…
My new federation one will have pass a raw & fully equipped SQ, BP & DL… What do you think of that? First 2 attempts raw second 2 attempts full gear… I’m kidding of course but it would be kind of cool
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
. oh wait… thats just my squat going to shit because I blew both my knees out from all my raw squatting.[/quote]
If you are made of clay then stop lifting you big pussy.
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Yeah Storm, take your 800+ deadlift out of here you pussy!!! Until your pulling 900 without a belt and learn an eastern European language your opinion is shit.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
actually a good question. I’m not a powerlifter but would like to do a meet someday. I understand theres a huge difference between a bench shirt/squat suit vs wearing a belt but I would also like to know why a belt is allowed in a raw meet. Powerlifting is a cool sport and I like knowing the origins/reasonings behind why sports are done the way they are.
.greg.[/quote]
That’s a good question. Likely the best person to ask would be Eric Talmant and/or J. Vasquez (sp?).
From the little bit I’ve heard from a few people, it seems to be a trend to get back to “classic powerlifting”. Funny thing is, that wasn’t raw. Those guys used knee wraps, belts, wrist wraps and eventually squat suits (just not as good as now).
As far as I can tell, a lot of the confusion is people don’t know where to draw the line. Personally for raw/classic lifting, I’d prefer wraps. I don’t like the knee sleeves only because now you have guys pushing the limits of what’s allowed there.
And the fact that I have a different opinion than a dozen different people in this thread is why there is no true definition of “raw” lifting.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
IMO the belt is a safety thing while (insanely tight) wraps are something to make you lift more.
Consider an athlete who is squatting to support some other sport (like say a high jumper or football player or something). Its very likely that they will wear a belt to do this, but they certainly won’t be wraping their knees tight like a powerlifter.
IMO that is why a belt will be allowed in just about every “Raw” division, but knee wraps are only allowed in some.
Why would a belt be a problem? They wear them in Oly lifting and no one seems to care.
The debate on any form of Powerlifting seems to be able to go on forever, with everyone having a different idea.
One example is the poster thinking that wraps were ok but not a belt. So how long are the wraps supposed to be 2 metres or 2.5? Jeez it never ends.
If you are interested in Powerlifting in any form, find a fed that you think fits your preferences and go and lift.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
. oh wait… thats just my squat going to shit because I blew both my knees out from all my raw squatting.[/quote]
If you are made of clay then stop lifting you big pussy.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
Beats me. I guess no-one can explain it and are quite defensive about it and hide the subject behind the avalance of “jokes” that appear in every thread on this matter.[/quote]
I think it has more to do with people who have no real idea what the sport is or why it is trying to tell actual powerlifters how things should be ina sport they have nothing to do with.
With the addition of this topic being beaten to death.
It’s the equivalent of going on the BBing forum and asking why someone would want to have those big iky muscles.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Well, at the risk of getting ripped a brand spanking new one, could somebody explain to me where the line is drawn on gear? I can see why the knee wraps are allowed but why is a belt allowed?
And no I’m not trying to be a smartarse, I just don’t know very much about power lifting and I’m genuinly curious as to why raw lifting (seemingly) isn’t.[/quote]
A belt and wrist wraps are supportive; they do not in any way impart energy into the bar.
Suits, shirts and knee wraps are assistive; they store energy and help the lifter impart energy into the bar.
Neoprene knee sleeves are a little bit assistive, but it’s similar to squatting in shorts vs. a soft wrestling suit. It’s minuscule enough that you can disregard it. Honestly, you get more “assistance” from lifting in tracksuit pants, but the sleeve provides more support and warmth for the knee.
Long story short, if you see someone lifting with wrist wraps, belt, and neoprene knee sleeves then you’re seeing what they can lift unassisted. If you don’t want to call that raw because they’re protecting their wrists, spine or knees, then don’t.
