NFL Off-Season 2013

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pats: “Brady is going to play forever, so fuck it, lets cheap out, we’ll find another Brady in round 7 next year.”[/quote]

Can’t remember if it was this morning or yesterday(wtf my memory!) on Mike and Mike but Greeney talked about that/joked about it. He was saying it’s almost like that Pats rely on his ability to turn any schmoe(relatively) receiver into a borderline pro-bowler or better, and at best get blinded to the fact that they keep letting good receivers go because of this, or at worst abuse it to save money(like you stated basically). He kind of rhetorically asked what Brady’s take on this has to be even if he doesn’t vocalize it to the media. I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pats: “Brady is going to play forever, so fuck it, lets cheap out, we’ll find another Brady in round 7 next year.”[/quote]

Can’t remember if it was this morning or yesterday(wtf my memory!) on Mike and Mike but Greeney talked about that/joked about it. He was saying it’s almost like that Pats rely on his ability to turn any schmoe(relatively) receiver into a borderline pro-bowler or better, and at best get blinded to the fact that they keep letting good receivers go because of this, or at worst abuse it to save money(like you stated basically). He kind of rhetorically asked what Brady’s take on this has to be even if he doesn’t vocalize it to the media. I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

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Actually there were reports that Brady was furious with front office over this decision.

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pats: “Brady is going to play forever, so fuck it, lets cheap out, we’ll find another Brady in round 7 next year.”[/quote]

Can’t remember if it was this morning or yesterday(wtf my memory!) on Mike and Mike but Greeney talked about that/joked about it. He was saying it’s almost like that Pats rely on his ability to turn any schmoe(relatively) receiver into a borderline pro-bowler or better, and at best get blinded to the fact that they keep letting good receivers go because of this, or at worst abuse it to save money(like you stated basically). He kind of rhetorically asked what Brady’s take on this has to be even if he doesn’t vocalize it to the media. I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

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Actually there were reports that Brady was furious with front office over this decision. [/quote]

Those have been walked back, lol.

There is like 2 or 3 different versions of this story floating around right now…

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[quote]red04 wrote:
I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

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When it comes right down to it, their are probably 3-5 key players they let go over the course of Brady’s career that ended up being huge mistakes. Most of them lesser known guys that were great here and do-do elsewhere.

As much as I bitch, they field a good team year in and year out, doing it their way, and are typically right about talent…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

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When it comes right down to it, their are probably 3-5 key players they let go over the course of Brady’s career that ended up being huge mistakes. Most of them lesser known guys that were great here and do-do elsewhere.

As much as I bitch, they field a good team year in and year out, doing it their way, and are typically right about talent…

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Well that’s because Bill Belicheck is an Incredible coach. But he’s a horrible front office guy

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

[/quote]

When it comes right down to it, their are probably 3-5 key players they let go over the course of Brady’s career that ended up being huge mistakes. Most of them lesser known guys that were great here and do-do elsewhere.

As much as I bitch, they field a good team year in and year out, doing it their way, and are typically right about talent…

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Well that’s because Bill Belicheck is an Incredible coach. But he’s a horrible front office guy[/quote]

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year. I think Brady has a lot more to do with it than the coach does though. I bet my ass that Billy retires at the same time as Brady so we’ll never know for sure.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year. [/quote]

I’m not one of those fanboys that thinks he can do no wrong, but he is a good coach. Who, without question is helped out by Brady, a ton.

It is funny, you either get people who are like “Brady isn’t that good, it is the system, look at Matt Castle” or the “BB isn’t that good, spygate, Brady, blah blah balh” (Not saying you are doing this, not at all, just making a point.)

But reports lately, last 12-18 months are BB is going back to the old way of looking at players and talent. He is going back to relying more on intangables than set physical ability. He is cutting guys loose who don’t have the right attitude and don’t buy in to his way. His track record with OL, DL & LB’s is pretty damn good, and he is starting to build a team for the post-Brady era.

I think he retires the day after he wins another ring. If Brady is gone before that, it will depend on the team in front of him if he goes or not.

That said i doubt the two will retire too far apart from eachother. And that is a ton of the speculation behind McDaniels coming back, and not entertaining offers anywhere else.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
My major issue is health. Welker missed like 3 total games in 5 years. Everyone else on the team, outside Slater, is a bum or has been hurt[/quote]

LOL at this…

I was watching the NFL Network the other day and the quote (paraphrased of course) I heard was “Amendola has durability issues much like Welker…”

What Welker were they referring to?

Anyway, I think this was all Gisele’s doing…

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
I mean, he has to be back there thinking “what the fuck dudes, Peyton gets to throw to my former favorite target and Demaryius Thomas, and I get to pray that my tight ends are healthy and make some new dude look like he’s as good as the guys you keep refusing to pay.”

[/quote]

When it comes right down to it, their are probably 3-5 key players they let go over the course of Brady’s career that ended up being huge mistakes. Most of them lesser known guys that were great here and do-do elsewhere.

As much as I bitch, they field a good team year in and year out, doing it their way, and are typically right about talent…

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Well that’s because Bill Belicheck is an Incredible coach. But he’s a horrible front office guy[/quote]

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year.[/quote]
Wait, lets analyse that statement?

Isnt that what you want to do? I mean as a Cowboys fan I would take every year being a contender instead of a middle of the road team.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year. [/quote]

I’m not one of those fanboys that thinks he can do no wrong, but he is a good coach. Who, without question is helped out by Brady, a ton.

It is funny, you either get people who are like “Brady isn’t that good, it is the system, look at Matt Castle” or the “BB isn’t that good, spygate, Brady, blah blah balh” (Not saying you are doing this, not at all, just making a point.)

But reports lately, last 12-18 months are BB is going back to the old way of looking at players and talent. He is going back to relying more on intangables than set physical ability. He is cutting guys loose who don’t have the right attitude and don’t buy in to his way. His track record with OL, DL & LB’s is pretty damn good, and he is starting to build a team for the post-Brady era.

I think he retires the day after he wins another ring. If Brady is gone before that, it will depend on the team in front of him if he goes or not.

That said i doubt the two will retire too far apart from eachother. And that is a ton of the speculation behind McDaniels coming back, and not entertaining offers anywhere else. [/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly that he’s good, I just don’t think he’s the genius that everyone assumes he is (like GOAT-level). I would take him over Tomlin any day of the week as long as Colbert is still making the personnel moves.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly that he’s good, I just don’t think he’s the genius that everyone assumes he is (like GOAT-level). [/quote]

We are 100% on the same page.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year.[/quote]
Wait, lets analyse that statement?

Isnt that what you want to do? I mean as a Cowboys fan I would take every year being a contender instead of a middle of the road team. [/quote]

Of course that’s what you want to do, but is he walking away with the AFC East every year without Tom Brady? Probably not.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I don’t think I agree that Belichick is a great coach any more. Everyone just assumes it’s true because his team wins every year.[/quote]
Wait, lets analyse that statement?

Isnt that what you want to do? I mean as a Cowboys fan I would take every year being a contender instead of a middle of the road team. [/quote]

Of course that’s what you want to do, but is he walking away with the AFC East every year without Tom Brady? Probably not.
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Really so who is going to beat him in the AFC east?
Miami
Jets
or
Buffalo

Really? :slight_smile:

I like how BB runs the organization, he is a coach but he runs it like a business. I hate the Pats but admire the fuck out of them.

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lol, Pats run their team like I do my Madden Franchise. I traded Brady the year before he retired for a 3rd and a SS, and traded Welker for a 1st, lol.

Only problem is, I can turn the difficulty down and still pwn shit.

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Im trying to see the upside about GB letting Jackson slip through their fingers but its tough. Im sick of this 3 RB system that been ran for the past 4-5 yrs and it generally consists of 3-6th rd rookies. I get Thompson’s strategy on developing draft picks instead of making splashes in FA but fuck. The run system isnt working.

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Im trying to see the upside about GB letting Jackson slip through their fingers but its tough. Im sick of this 3 RB system that been ran for the past 4-5 yrs and it generally consists of 3-6th rd rookies. I get Thompson’s strategy on developing draft picks instead of making splashes in FA but fuck. The run system isnt working. [/quote]

Your D is a bigger concern. They got smoked by a moble QB, and I mean smoked.

I’d focus on DL and LB if I were GB. Rodgers can make up for a lesser run game.

How is your OL?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Im trying to see the upside about GB letting Jackson slip through their fingers but its tough. Im sick of this 3 RB system that been ran for the past 4-5 yrs and it generally consists of 3-6th rd rookies. I get Thompson’s strategy on developing draft picks instead of making splashes in FA but fuck. The run system isnt working. [/quote]

Your D is a bigger concern. They got smoked by a moble QB, and I mean smoked.

I’d focus on DL and LB if I were GB. Rodgers can make up for a lesser run game.

How is your OL?[/quote]
QFT

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Im trying to see the upside about GB letting Jackson slip through their fingers but its tough. Im sick of this 3 RB system that been ran for the past 4-5 yrs and it generally consists of 3-6th rd rookies. I get Thompson’s strategy on developing draft picks instead of making splashes in FA but fuck. The run system isnt working. [/quote]

Your D is a bigger concern. They got smoked by a moble QB, and I mean smoked.

I’d focus on DL and LB if I were GB. Rodgers can make up for a lesser run game.

How is your OL?[/quote]
QFT[/quote]

Absolutely agree. Which is why I was pissed they didnt show more interest in Cullen Jenkins again. I think they are saving money and room on the D side for the draft. Pretty D heavy this year, especially at LB and DB. The DL looks solid. We have Jolly back out of prison for dirt cheap and he was a solid lineman before prison. If he doesnt workout, they will drop him during training. The OL will be fine. Not great but fine. There are a couple of guys coming back from injuries that kept them out most of last year.

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
We have Jolly back out of prison for dirt cheap .[/quote]

lol. What did he go up for and for how long?

If it is drug offense he will be fine, any sort of vilent offense and his better days are behind him?

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But still, our offense was on a fucking roll with Benson at the helm. The change was obvious when he went down.