[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And for the record, Steve Young was as pure a pocket passer as there ever was in the NFL for his entire starting career. I should know. I was in Candlestick for all but a handful of his starts between 1991 and 1999.
[/quote]
Career rushing yards:
Young - 4,239 (5 seasons with 400+)
Montana - 1,676
Brady - 748
Manning, P - 728
Brees - 570
Marino - 87
…
I’m going with, not a pure pocket passer. Pocket passer? Sure. Pure pocket passer, nope.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You really think that previous history has ANY bearing whatsoever on how good Kaepernick could be? [/quote]
No. And you are not reading what I’m saying correctly.
I’m saying, history says that it is a bit early to shrine this kid as the second coming. For many many reasons, so we should pump the breaks a little before we crown a kid with 10 career starts.
I’ve addressed this, and don’t believe I ever said he would be.
This year, yes he was. [/quote]
DId you not say that history wasn’t on Kaepernick’s side? Back on page 15 or 16 of this thread? Tell me why that means anything at all.
And did you also not say that Vegas oddsmakers would bet against him in this respect? Is that why the Niners are 7 to 1 to win it next year in Vegas and Atlanta is only 14 to 1? Is that why the only team with better odds at this point is NE at 6 to 1?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And for the record, Steve Young was as pure a pocket passer as there ever was in the NFL for his entire starting career. I should know. I was in Candlestick for all but a handful of his starts between 1991 and 1999.
[/quote]
Career rushing yards:
Young - 4,239 (5 seasons with 400+)
Montana - 1,676
Brady - 748
Manning, P - 728
Brees - 570
Marino - 87
…
I’m going with, not a pure pocket passer. Pocket passer? Sure. Pure pocket passer, nope. [/quote]
I love this game
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And for the record, Steve Young was as pure a pocket passer as there ever was in the NFL for his entire starting career. I should know. I was in Candlestick for all but a handful of his starts between 1991 and 1999.
[/quote]
Career rushing yards:
Young - 4,239 (5 seasons with 400+)
Montana - 1,676
Brady - 748
Manning, P - 728
Brees - 570
Marino - 87
…
I’m going with, not a pure pocket passer. Pocket passer? Sure. Pure pocket passer, nope. [/quote]
How many games of Young’s did you watch? How many in person did you watch? Do you realize that in his seven full years as a starter he never completed less than 62.3 percent of his passes and threw for 3000 yards 6 times and 4000 twice? A pure pocket passer doesn’t imply that he only made plays from the pocket and nowhere else. Shit, the only reason he ran for so many yards was because he was such a good runner, not because he was constantly taking off. He never ran for more than 234 yards as a starter and only cleared 200 yards twice as a starter. But his average yards per rush was never below 6.43 as a starter and was right around 7.5 for this time period. The point is that when he did run, he was better at it than any other QB. He piled up those yards because he was good at running when he did run, not because he had a shitload of attempts.
Watch the guy play before you come and tell me how a guy whose entire career I watched in person played out.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest. [/quote]
Is Geno Smith going first that much of a reach? I agree that he isn’t the best player in the draft, but he plays QB. It’s by far the most important position in the game. The second most-important position isn’t even close to QB in terms of importance. So it behooves a team to take a chance at that position in the hopes that he reaches his full potential. A Hall of Fame left tackle doesn’t mean shit if he has no one to protect.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You really think that previous history has ANY bearing whatsoever on how good Kaepernick could be? [/quote]
No. And you are not reading what I’m saying correctly.
I’m saying, history says that it is a bit early to shrine this kid as the second coming. For many many reasons, so we should pump the breaks a little before we crown a kid with 10 career starts.
I’ve addressed this, and don’t believe I ever said he would be.
This year, yes he was. [/quote]
DId you not say that history wasn’t on Kaepernick’s side? Back on page 15 or 16 of this thread? Tell me why that means anything at all.
And did you also not say that Vegas oddsmakers would bet against him in this respect? Is that why the Niners are 7 to 1 to win it next year in Vegas and Atlanta is only 14 to 1? Is that why the only team with better odds at this point is NE at 6 to 1?[/quote]
You do realize Beans is a Pats fan right?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest. [/quote]
Is Geno Smith going first that much of a reach? I agree that he isn’t the best player in the draft, but he plays QB. It’s by far the most important position in the game. The second most-important position isn’t even close to QB in terms of importance. So it behooves a team to take a chance at that position in the hopes that he reaches his full potential. A Hall of Fame left tackle doesn’t mean shit if he has no one to protect.[/quote]
I figured the kid from K State to be pushed up, not Geno Smith. I have always said QB’s will get pushed up, but this year I see no clear cut 1st round pick. There are going to be a lot of busts. Plus if I was a GM I would not bargain my career on an unsafe QB pick. I also agree about the risk vs reward, HOWEVER my opinion is you get that HOF left tackle THEN you reach for the QB. Not the other way around.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You really think that previous history has ANY bearing whatsoever on how good Kaepernick could be? [/quote]
No. And you are not reading what I’m saying correctly.
I’m saying, history says that it is a bit early to shrine this kid as the second coming. For many many reasons, so we should pump the breaks a little before we crown a kid with 10 career starts.
I’ve addressed this, and don’t believe I ever said he would be.
This year, yes he was. [/quote]
DId you not say that history wasn’t on Kaepernick’s side? Back on page 15 or 16 of this thread? Tell me why that means anything at all.
And did you also not say that Vegas oddsmakers would bet against him in this respect? Is that why the Niners are 7 to 1 to win it next year in Vegas and Atlanta is only 14 to 1? Is that why the only team with better odds at this point is NE at 6 to 1?[/quote]
You do realize Beans is a Pats fan right?[/quote]
What does that have to do with the price of rice in Korea?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
DId you not say that history wasn’t on Kaepernick’s side? Back on page 15 or 16 of this thread? Tell me why that means anything at all.[/quote]
Because guys have come along with just as much promise, and proved to not pan out. Just like any one that doubted AP this year. At his age the history of the injury and position said he wouldn’t be the blockbuster he was.
Hey, look at that, AP was an exception, good for him. Does that mean Kap can’t be an exception? Nope. But it does mean, no one outside of ESPN and 9er fans are going to crown this kid just yet.
Yes. Not only is it unlikely for him to have a HOF career in the first place, but given his “moble status” it is even more unlikely he will win enough rings to deserve the blind praise he gets in this thread.
It has been like 30+ years since a losing team in the SB came back to win it the next year…
This would, again, be an exception.
Like I said, Ryan is likely at his ceiling. And apparently unable to string together the wins needed to make it in the playoffs. Without a massive effort from his D, a couple lucky bounces and the other 10 guys on O playing out of their minds, Ryan is unlikely to carry a team to a ring.
Kap, at this point appears to be able to win games with his arm and legs, so it appears likely he would be able to carry a team to the ring. However it is too early in his career to be talking like he is the next best thing, the face of the NFL and everything wonderful in the world. We get it, 9er fans are excited, but the kid has clear faults, and was playing with a top 3 D, top 3 TE & top 3 RB…
Lets just try and be objective, for like 5 mins.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest. [/quote]
Is Geno Smith going first that much of a reach? I agree that he isn’t the best player in the draft, but he plays QB. It’s by far the most important position in the game. The second most-important position isn’t even close to QB in terms of importance. So it behooves a team to take a chance at that position in the hopes that he reaches his full potential. A Hall of Fame left tackle doesn’t mean shit if he has no one to protect.[/quote]
I figured the kid from K State to be pushed up, not Geno Smith. I have always said QB’s will get pushed up, but this year I see no clear cut 1st round pick. There are going to be a lot of busts. Plus if I was a GM I would not bargain my career on an unsafe QB pick. I also agree about the risk vs reward, HOWEVER my opinion is you get that HOF left tackle THEN you reach for the QB. Not the other way around. [/quote]
I don’t know. I get your logic and all that, but the way I look at is like this: If you want to build a race car, what’s the first thing you do to whatever car you have? You yank out the motor and put a better one in it, right? You don’t put new tires and a new tranny and all that in. I mean, you do, but the first thing is to put a new engine in there, right?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest. [/quote]
Is Geno Smith going first that much of a reach? I agree that he isn’t the best player in the draft, but he plays QB. It’s by far the most important position in the game. The second most-important position isn’t even close to QB in terms of importance. So it behooves a team to take a chance at that position in the hopes that he reaches his full potential. A Hall of Fame left tackle doesn’t mean shit if he has no one to protect.[/quote]
I figured the kid from K State to be pushed up, not Geno Smith. I have always said QB’s will get pushed up, but this year I see no clear cut 1st round pick. There are going to be a lot of busts. Plus if I was a GM I would not bargain my career on an unsafe QB pick. I also agree about the risk vs reward, HOWEVER my opinion is you get that HOF left tackle THEN you reach for the QB. Not the other way around. [/quote]
Seattle was in the Superbowl in '05 and Alexander had one of the best seasons in NFL history, but they lost left guard Steve Hutchinson in 06 and were mostly mediocre after that. That Jones/Hutchinson combo on the left side was a force to be reckoned with and made an average running back and quarterback look pretty freaking good.
From wikipedia:
2006 season
In March 2006, Alexander signed an eight-year, $62 million contract (15.1 million of which was guaranteed and 15 million to be paid in the first year of the contract) to remain with the Seattle Seahawks organization,[22] becoming the highest paid running back in NFL history at the time.[23] However, the Seahawks All-Pro offensive guard Steve Hutchinson left to go to the Minnesota Vikings several weeks later due to free agency,[24] weakening an offensive line that had been a large part of Alexander’s 2005 productivity.[25]
Alexander’s success in the previous season led to his being featured on the cover of Madden NFL 07,[26] making him the first player to appear on the covers of both EA Sports football titlesâ??previously appearing on NCAA Football 2001.[27] Alexander broke his left foot in week 3 of the season, effectively continuing the Madden Curse.[28] However, in the same game, Alexander set a team record while scoring his 102nd touchdown of his career, breaking Steve Largent’s record.[29] He returned to action on November 19 against the San Francisco 49ers, rushing 17 times for 37 yards.[30] In a November 27 game on ESPN’s Monday Night Football against the Packers, Alexander carried the ball a team record 40 times for 201 yards in a game that featured snow for the first time at Qwest Field. It was a return to MVP form and yet another prime-time showcase for Alexander, who was still playing with the broken foot.In a December 10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Alexander broke Barry Sanders’s record for most consecutive games with a run of 10 or more yards.[27]
Alexander finished the 2006 season with 252 rushing attempts for 896 yards and seven touchdowns in ten games.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
How many games of Young’s did you watch?[/quote]
Quite a few actually. My step-father is a pretty die-hard 9er fan.
None, I was a kid. But as an adult, I do know that watching from the stadium =/= watching from home as far as objective observation goes.
Okay
The word pure… Pretty sure I’m thinking it means something different than you.
Pure pocket passer = runs when has to outside of sneaks and maybe a 4 or 5 scamper for a TD
Pocket passer = will make more plays with his feet from above, but will still throw first, particularly with the greatest receiver ever on his right side.
Moble QB - will pull down and run for 5k yards in his career
So… You agree pure pocket passer is a stretch?
I’m not sure who your trying to convince of what here.
Again, not sure how this doesn’t back up my point…
Assumptive conjecture
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100
Wow has to be a joke.[/quote]
I like the Niners taking Tavon Austin at #31. They need someone like him on offense, hence the Harvin for Smith proposal I set forth.
What they really need is depth and/or a starter on the defensive line AND in the secondary. But there is a ton of quality defensive linemen they could get in later rounds and there’s at least a few good cornerbacks to be had in rounds 2 and 3. Austin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson, but with more versatility since he can line up in the backfield as well. I think that would make him a very intriguing player to use in the pistol formation. I don’t think they’re very happy or satisfied with A.J. Jenkins at all and might shitcan him after this next season if he doesn’t step things up big-time.
Sharrif Floyd going to the Raiders would surprise me, as would Warmack dropping out of the top 5. Even if he does, there’s no way that the Jets take a WR over him at #9.
There’s a possibility that the Niners use some of their 14 picks this draft and/or Alex Smith to acquire a pick in the top 10 or 15, along with their pick at #31. If that happens, I’d love to see them take Jonathan Cooper out of UNC and move him from guard to center. He has all the physical tools to play center since he has very quick feet and moves well in space. He might also be a tad undersized to play guard right away. If the Niners could somehow package Smith and a few picks to someone like the Jets or the Cardinals for their first-rounder and then landed Austin and Cooper, they could theoretically still find some quality depth along the defensive line later in the draft. I don’t think it would take anything more than maybe a third and fourth round pick along with Smith to land the Jets’ pick at #9.[/quote]
My wow was only directed at that #1 pick. My brain locked up and couldnt even read the rest. [/quote]
Is Geno Smith going first that much of a reach? I agree that he isn’t the best player in the draft, but he plays QB. It’s by far the most important position in the game. The second most-important position isn’t even close to QB in terms of importance. So it behooves a team to take a chance at that position in the hopes that he reaches his full potential. A Hall of Fame left tackle doesn’t mean shit if he has no one to protect.[/quote]
I figured the kid from K State to be pushed up, not Geno Smith. I have always said QB’s will get pushed up, but this year I see no clear cut 1st round pick. There are going to be a lot of busts. Plus if I was a GM I would not bargain my career on an unsafe QB pick. I also agree about the risk vs reward, HOWEVER my opinion is you get that HOF left tackle THEN you reach for the QB. Not the other way around. [/quote]
Seattle was in the Superbowl in '05 and Alexander had one of the best seasons in NFL history, but they lost left guard Steve Hutchinson in 06 and were mostly mediocre after that. That Jones/Hutchinson combo on the left side was a force to be reckoned with and made an average running back and quarterback look pretty freaking good.
From wikipedia:
2006 season
In March 2006, Alexander signed an eight-year, $62 million contract (15.1 million of which was guaranteed and 15 million to be paid in the first year of the contract) to remain with the Seattle Seahawks organization,[22] becoming the highest paid running back in NFL history at the time.[23] However, the Seahawks All-Pro offensive guard Steve Hutchinson left to go to the Minnesota Vikings several weeks later due to free agency,[24] weakening an offensive line that had been a large part of Alexander’s 2005 productivity.[25]
Alexander’s success in the previous season led to his being featured on the cover of Madden NFL 07,[26] making him the first player to appear on the covers of both EA Sports football titlesâ??previously appearing on NCAA Football 2001.[27] Alexander broke his left foot in week 3 of the season, effectively continuing the Madden Curse.[28] However, in the same game, Alexander set a team record while scoring his 102nd touchdown of his career, breaking Steve Largent’s record.[29] He returned to action on November 19 against the San Francisco 49ers, rushing 17 times for 37 yards.[30] In a November 27 game on ESPN’s Monday Night Football against the Packers, Alexander carried the ball a team record 40 times for 201 yards in a game that featured snow for the first time at Qwest Field. It was a return to MVP form and yet another prime-time showcase for Alexander, who was still playing with the broken foot.In a December 10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Alexander broke Barry Sanders’s record for most consecutive games with a run of 10 or more yards.[27]
Alexander finished the 2006 season with 252 rushing attempts for 896 yards and seven touchdowns in ten games.
[/quote]
I agree, however its 2013 and its a different NFL then even 2005.
Alexander is a walking reminder of the RB hitting the wall at 30
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000137989/article/2013-nfl-draft-luke-joeckel-chance-warmack-could-top-field[/quote]
Alex Smith for Percy Harvin. Whaddya think of that trade? Minnesota has a backup QB starting for them in Ponder and he would be a good fit on an obvious run-first team. Harvin would fill a void at WR and returner, given that the Niners won’t resign Ginn, probably will shitcan Moss and might cut Mannningham if he has any delays recovering from ACL and PCL surgery.[/quote]
I don’t see the benefit for the Vikings in that trade. To trade an explosive receiver/returner for a mediocre QB who really isn’t much better than Ponder.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000137989/article/2013-nfl-draft-luke-joeckel-chance-warmack-could-top-field[/quote]
Alex Smith for Percy Harvin. Whaddya think of that trade? Minnesota has a backup QB starting for them in Ponder and he would be a good fit on an obvious run-first team. Harvin would fill a void at WR and returner, given that the Niners won’t resign Ginn, probably will shitcan Moss and might cut Mannningham if he has any delays recovering from ACL and PCL surgery.[/quote]
I don’t see the benefit for the Vikings in that trade. To trade an explosive receiver/returner for a mediocre QB who really isn’t much better than Ponder.[/quote]
Harvin wore out his welcome in Minnesota, so he’s getting traded no matter what. The best he’ll bring back in draft picks is MAYBE a third round pick, toward the end of the third at that. He’s explosive, but he also has a reputation as a hothead and he’s injury prone.
And Ponder is way worse than Smith is. Smith is limited to a certain extent, but Ponder is way more limited. We’re talking about a guy who couldn’t clear 100 passing yards in several games this year. The Vikings got to the playoffs in spite of him, not because of him. AP is the shit, but he isn’t going to run for 2000 yards again and the Vikings would be stupid to think that their formula for success this year will work next year. It’s completely reasonable to expect at least 500 less yards from AP this coming season, and I don’t think Ponder can pick up that extra slack.