NFL 2012/2013 Part 3

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
^ Well listen I’m not saying that the Niners didnt fuck up when they could have stepped up in the game.

But I think you’re under estimating momentum. How it’s created and how easy it is to maintain it.

Edit: That was towards nomorewar[/quote]

what are you talking about underestimating momentum? Believe me I don’t underestimate it. If not for the blackout niners get crushed. so yea its pretty important. [/quote]

Exactly and without a kickoff return for a td to open the second half the niners aren’t demoralized.
Tying the game with a 2point conversion also gives them a little pep in their step and forces both teams to play the game differently.

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what was the controversy regarding the officiating crew prior to the game? I remember seeing articles on it

but didn’t care enough to read, after watching the game and how poorly officiated it was I’m wondering now

what all the hubbub was about.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
^ Well listen I’m not saying that the Niners didnt fuck up when they could have stepped up in the game.

But I think you’re under estimating momentum. How it’s created and how easy it is to maintain it.

Edit: That was towards nomorewar[/quote]

what are you talking about underestimating momentum? Believe me I don’t underestimate it. If not for the blackout niners get crushed. so yea its pretty important. [/quote]

Exactly and without a kickoff return for a td to open the second half the niners aren’t demoralized.
Tying the game with a 2point conversion also gives them a little pep in their step and forces both teams to play the game differently.
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I saw the replay of the video and I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. if number 26 didn’t get him then no one else in the stadium was going too. Even if there was a hold, the refs didn’t call it cause they knew it wouldn’t have affected the play. Keep in mind they are the best of the best and are in the game watching in real time not on T.V. Also, who are you to say the ravens wouldnt have scored anyway on that possession? i mean everyone is saying that the “hold” on crabtree prevented a touchdown. How do people know he was gonna score? it was a fade he would had to jump high in the air to catch it with both feet in bounds. Also where is the penalty on the late hit on flacco? If ravens score there, the momentum is big with baltimore.

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[quote]js252 wrote:
what was the controversy regarding the officiating crew prior to the game? I remember seeing articles on it

but didn’t care enough to read, after watching the game and how poorly officiated it was I’m wondering now

what all the hubbub was about. [/quote]

The NFl was trying to fix the game for ray lewis a retiring hated player over the 49ers a potential dynasty and exciting quarterback that can generate millions for the league?

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Let’s say hypothetically, SF DID get screwed. So what? Niner fans were getting so cocky heading into the Superbowl that a lot of “casuals” were rooting for the Ravens by game-time, even if they hated Ray Lewis! Jim Harbaugh’s irritating and enigmatic but non-charismatic personality, combined with media hype of the 49ers and their fan base pushed public sentiment of the casual fan to the Ravens. The Niners were trying to bring back their football elitism from the 80s but no one wants it back. In fact, it’s ironic because what I imagine is a bucket load of 49er Patriot haters actually base their hatred on New England from that same type of elitism.

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I don’t get all this argu - I mean discussion regarding the officiating.

There’ missed calls in every game and while the calls may have gone a little bit in the Ravens favor I didn’t think it was too bad over all. I saw a game where the winner basically out played the loser for most the game.

I’m a 9er fan.

Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Football history is in Ryan’s favor.

Running QB’s typically don’t do as well as pure pocket passers.

So unless the game has fundamentally changed the last 13 months, and Flaco is an exception to that change, and all but 3 of the playoff QB’s this year are an exception to that change, Ryan > Kap over the next 10 years is a solid position.

I’m not saying Kap couldn’t end up being the next Steve Young, but Montana had more rings and less legs.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Football history is in Ryan’s favor.

Running QB’s typically don’t do as well as pure pocket passers.

So unless the game has fundamentally changed the last 13 months, and Flaco is an exception to that change, and all but 3 of the playoff QB’s this year are an exception to that change, Ryan > Kap over the next 10 years is a solid position.

I’m not saying Kap couldn’t end up being the next Steve Young, but Montana had more rings and less legs. [/quote]

Kap also already has more playoff wins than Ryan.

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[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Football history is in Ryan’s favor.

Running QB’s typically don’t do as well as pure pocket passers.

So unless the game has fundamentally changed the last 13 months, and Flaco is an exception to that change, and all but 3 of the playoff QB’s this year are an exception to that change, Ryan > Kap over the next 10 years is a solid position.

I’m not saying Kap couldn’t end up being the next Steve Young, but Montana had more rings and less legs. [/quote]

Kap also already has more playoff wins than Ryan.
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Correct. My only point is the body’s of work between the two and NFL history pretty much are on Ryan’s side at this point in time.

Kap could go on to win 4 rings, and Ryan could never win in the playoffs again.

Or Kap could end up like Vick…

All I’m saying is laughing at the prediction of Ryan>Kap in 10 years isn’t a lock position. Brady has 3 rings, Steve Young has one. Mannings have 3 between them, Vick and Cunningham, V. Young & McNair have zero. Football history isn’t in Kap’s favor on this one.

He may well do it, he is a special talent. But Vegas odds would bet against him.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Also I should add I am neither a Niners fan or a Ravens fan…But in a game of that Magnitude those calls need to be made. And don’t give me this let them play bullshit this isn’t a hold on an interior lineman call…Its a game changing touchdown and a game tying 2 point conversion. [/quote]

Of course you’re an SF fan.

Blame the QB’s overthrow - it certainly didnt help sell the call, not even a little

Blame the WR - sure looked like he was expecting a back shoulder throw, go back and watch it

Blame QB-WR miscommunication - see above

Blame the playcalling - a fade to a 6’0 WR??

But enough already with the refs…

edit - I need to credit Deion Sanders for that QB-WR miscommunication part

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Football history is in Ryan’s favor.

Running QB’s typically don’t do as well as pure pocket passers.

So unless the game has fundamentally changed the last 13 months, and Flaco is an exception to that change, and all but 3 of the playoff QB’s this year are an exception to that change, Ryan > Kap over the next 10 years is a solid position.

I’m not saying Kap couldn’t end up being the next Steve Young, but Montana had more rings and less legs. [/quote]

Kap also already has more playoff wins than Ryan.
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Correct. My only point is the body’s of work between the two and NFL history pretty much are on Ryan’s side at this point in time.

Kap could go on to win 4 rings, and Ryan could never win in the playoffs again.

Or Kap could end up like Vick…

All I’m saying is laughing at the prediction of Ryan>Kap in 10 years isn’t a lock position. Brady has 3 rings, Steve Young has one. Mannings have 3 between them, Vick and Cunningham, V. Young & McNair have zero. Football history isn’t in Kap’s favor on this one.

He may well do it, he is a special talent. But Vegas odds would bet against him. [/quote]

This would be true if Kap was only a running quarterback. From what I have seen he can throw the ball very well and will likely only improve this skill with more experience.

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lol @ all the Niners haters.

So obvious and so bitter.

Also lol @ “the refs didn’t call the penalty because they knew he could make the tackle”… Do you even watch football?

As they say… Haters gonna hate.

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Listen, they deserved to lose. You throw a fucking fade to Crabtree of all people instead of Vernon Davis or Moss? But NOOOO let’s throw it to Crabtree. Brian Billick agrees with me, thus I am correct and you are all wrong.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh yeah, and LOL at the idea of Ryan being a better pick than Kap for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Football history is in Ryan’s favor.

Running QB’s typically don’t do as well as pure pocket passers.

So unless the game has fundamentally changed the last 13 months, and Flaco is an exception to that change, and all but 3 of the playoff QB’s this year are an exception to that change, Ryan > Kap over the next 10 years is a solid position.

I’m not saying Kap couldn’t end up being the next Steve Young, but Montana had more rings and less legs. [/quote]

What? There’s only 5 running QBs in the league! That’s 3 out of 5 four that made the play offs. Did the missing two really have any chance at the playoffs considering the teams they were on? Maybe Philly with a diff QB, no way Carolina.

Yes the game has changed in the last 13 months. The league is protecting the quarterbacks like never before. The young running quarterbacks have now been brought up in a culture where they have been taught to get down. The cowboy approach to taking off and running is now much less a part of their mentality. Last, teams are now much better at utilizing their talents. The flaws in the Wildcat have been worked out in the form of the pistol. Yes, defenses will adjust and get better at stopping it but that’s all. They’ll get better but they won’t defeat it.

Baring serious injury (which can happen to any QB) Kapernick and Russell Wilson are forces to recon with for most of the next ten years. Ryan will be a solid QB, the other two will be stars.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
^ Well listen I’m not saying that the Niners didnt fuck up when they could have stepped up in the game.

But I think you’re under estimating momentum. How it’s created and how easy it is to maintain it.

Edit: That was towards nomorewar[/quote]

what are you talking about underestimating momentum? Believe me I don’t underestimate it. If not for the blackout niners get crushed. so yea its pretty important. [/quote]

Exactly and without a kickoff return for a td to open the second half the niners aren’t demoralized.
Tying the game with a 2point conversion also gives them a little pep in their step and forces both teams to play the game differently.
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I saw the replay of the video and I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. if number 26 didn’t get him then no one else in the stadium was going too. Even if there was a hold, the refs didn’t call it cause they knew it wouldn’t have affected the play. Keep in mind they are the best of the best and are in the game watching in real time not on T.V. Also, who are you to say the ravens wouldnt have scored anyway on that possession? i mean everyone is saying that the “hold” on crabtree prevented a touchdown. How do people know he was gonna score? it was a fade he would had to jump high in the air to catch it with both feet in bounds. Also where is the penalty on the late hit on flacco? If ravens score there, the momentum is big with baltimore. [/quote]

I can’t find a better video so this will have to do. Pause it at 4 seconds. You can see 51 for the Ravens holding a NIners player. If he was not held that player would have been directly infront of Jones, forcing him to move either left or right or be tackled. Pause it at 5 seconds and you can see that even if the Niners player somehow couldn’t have spun out of the block sooner, even if he was delayed a second, if he was not held they would have sandwiched Jones. Bam immediately a different play. Should have been called.

And again I said I called it live, and I don’t know why you think this, but the TV doesn’t some how slow down the live play.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Also I should add I am neither a Niners fan or a Ravens fan…But in a game of that Magnitude those calls need to be made. And don’t give me this let them play bullshit this isn’t a hold on an interior lineman call…Its a game changing touchdown and a game tying 2 point conversion. [/quote]

Of course you’re an SF fan.

Blame the QB’s overthrow - it certainly didnt help sell the call, not even a little

Blame the WR - sure looked like he was expecting a back shoulder throw, go back and watch it

Blame QB-WR miscommunication - see above

Blame the playcalling - a fade to a 6’0 WR??

But enough already with the refs…

edit - I need to credit Deion Sanders for that QB-WR miscommunication part

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I live in New England I am a die hard Patriots fan. But yea I was rooting for the Niners becasue I would have loved to see a defending champ play the Pats in the super bowl next year. But either way I don’t really care. I just feel that refs butchered the game.

Also the game changing play I was talking about was the Kick off not the 4th down play.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Listen, they deserved to lose. You throw a fucking fade to Crabtree of all people instead of Vernon Davis or Moss? But NOOOO let’s throw it to Crabtree. Brian Billick agrees with me, thus I am correct and you are all wrong.[/quote]

Da Bears

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
^ Well listen I’m not saying that the Niners didnt fuck up when they could have stepped up in the game.

But I think you’re under estimating momentum. How it’s created and how easy it is to maintain it.

Edit: That was towards nomorewar[/quote]

what are you talking about underestimating momentum? Believe me I don’t underestimate it. If not for the blackout niners get crushed. so yea its pretty important. [/quote]

Exactly and without a kickoff return for a td to open the second half the niners aren’t demoralized.
Tying the game with a 2point conversion also gives them a little pep in their step and forces both teams to play the game differently.
[/quote]
I saw the replay of the video and I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. if number 26 didn’t get him then no one else in the stadium was going too. Even if there was a hold, the refs didn’t call it cause they knew it wouldn’t have affected the play. Keep in mind they are the best of the best and are in the game watching in real time not on T.V. Also, who are you to say the ravens wouldnt have scored anyway on that possession? i mean everyone is saying that the “hold” on crabtree prevented a touchdown. How do people know he was gonna score? it was a fade he would had to jump high in the air to catch it with both feet in bounds. Also where is the penalty on the late hit on flacco? If ravens score there, the momentum is big with baltimore. [/quote]

I can’t find a better video so this will have to do. Pause it at 4 seconds. You can see 51 for the Ravens holding a NIners player. If he was not held that player would have been directly infront of Jones, forcing him to move either left or right or be tackled. Pause it at 5 seconds and you can see that even if the Niners player somehow couldn’t have spun out of the block sooner, even if he was delayed a second, if he was not held they would have sandwiched Jones. Bam immediately a different play. Should have been called.

And again I said I called it live, and I don’t know why you think this, but the TV doesn’t some how slow down the live play. [/quote]

dude come on, this is pure inconclusiveness coming from you. Like I said, if "26"didn’t get him, the larger player that was being “held” would not have had a chance. I understand im also being inconclusive by saying that but thats why the refs are there. The spacing is smaller on tv and anyone that has gone to a football game would agree. Also, you are automatically assuming he would have made the tackle. It could have been a missed tackle or Jones could have done one of those nice moves like he did when he caught that deep ball, fell and got up and when by the defender and scored. Or maybe he would have been tackled on midfield field and the ravens are in good field position and score. So if the ravens don’t score on the opening kick they lose? is that what you’re saying? you do know that were up 21-6 before the play happened right?

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And if niner fans want the game called right, then what about the play at 2:47? they should have got an extra set of downs half a distance to the goal.

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explain this bullshit call at 2:06… its physically impossible for David Akers to have been knocked out there. He was also “hit” way after the kick so attempt wasn’t even affected . Its ok to complain about the refs when its convenient.