NFL 2012/2013 Part 3

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So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

Just let then play. Throw guys to the ground and not call anything because you don’t want the refs to decide the outcome of the game?

Also, “don’t want the refs to decide the outcome of the game” is absolutely idiotic. The refs aren’t putting points on the board. The offense would still need to score. Their job is to call fouls and if there is a blatant foul they should call it. End of story. I’m not talking about ticky tack calls but legit calls like that holding (crazy obvious) and the offsides on Ed Reed during the two point conversion to tie the game.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
For the record I am not blaming the loss on the refs.

I put a ton of the blame on Kap. He should have walked in the game winning TD on that second down roll out. Kap had Walker in the flat and could have walked in behind him but wanted to throw the ball.[/quote]

That kid’s future is as bright as anyone’s in the entire league but yeah, ultimately there’s no substitute for experience (note how Flacco also had to “pay his dues” over the years)

And not to pile on but as one of FB friends pointed out, SEA was actually the NFC’s best team this year.

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I think he came into the game wanting to prove the doubters wrong and show he wasn’t just a running QB.

He was able to run at will. He could tuck the ball and scramble on every single pass play for at least 10 yards but you could tell that he didn’t want to.

I wasn’t a fan of the play calling either. They didn’t really get Kap out of the pocket and on the move like they should have (IMO of course)

Not very good play calling + horrible play by the safeties was what got the Niners in that big hole. The two safeties blew their coverage for the first TD to Boldin and that long bomb as well.

Oh well, we’re built for the future and will be even better next year.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

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It is a tough call. We are talking about split second human judgement. There are going to be errors in judgement made.

That is why you need to play well enough to remove all doubt. If you are close enough where a penalty can swing the game your way, and it doesn’t get called and you lose, well you didn’t play well enough.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

Just let then play. Throw guys to the ground and not call anything because you don’t want the refs to decide the outcome of the game?

Also, “don’t want the refs to decide the outcome of the game” is absolutely idiotic. The refs aren’t putting points on the board. The offense would still need to score. Their job is to call fouls and if there is a blatant foul they should call it. End of story. I’m not talking about ticky tack calls but legit calls like that holding (crazy obvious) and the offsides on Ed Reed during the two point conversion to tie the game.

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Uncle Rico says let them play.

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[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
WINNER![/quote]

Still mad about my team beating your team in Atlanta?

But hey, everything you can put on this forum would be true cuz my team lost.[/quote]

Yep. It was revenge for me and Alex Smith.
Believe it or not, I have kept the faith for the 49er’s throughout the last 5 years. The dicking of Alex Smith had me write them off. From that point on I wanted them to lose. Sure Kaepernick may be more talented, but he’s not better. He’s not better than a guy who spent his years there hated, put in a failing system, then over come all of it, only to be totally dicked because he got a concussion. After that, I was in ‘fuck’em’ mode. You don’t treat people like that.

So fuck’em. They got Flacco’d, a real QB who’s been through the trenches.

Kaepernick wasn’t nervous. He should have been, little arrogant ass.[/quote]

So you want Kaepernick to be nervous like Matt Ryan in your past playoff games?
I know you’re mad at the coach, but it’s time to let it go. Alex Smith will soon be with another team trying to get them to the playoffs. I say, good luck. He deserves it.[/quote]

What?
No. Kaepernick says he wasn’t nervous about the game because he was prepared. He was wrong, he was not prepared. That’s the youth and inexperience talking. Vet’s know you’re never prepared enough and had to humility to admit they were nervous about the game because anything can and does happen.

And Matt Ryan out played Kap in that game, period. There were plenty of bad or no calls, which you did not see me bitch about. Like Bowman’s blatant pass interference on White. Not to mention several missed holding calls, another blatant missed pass interference on Jones, where his arms were actually held back, horrific ball spotting…On and on I could go.
Ultimately it was a weak dline requiring the secondary to play in more that cost us the game. Kap was regular in that game, just a manager did some good things, but not spectacular. But we’re not talking about that game.
If I had a choice between Ryan and Kaepernick to lead my team for the next 10 years I’ll take Ryan hands down. Kap is just a baby and we don’t know how he will be when his legs are no longer a factor in the game, which should be 5 years or less, which is average for that style of play. We also don’t know how he handle adversity, unless of course you think he will never have any which is not realistic. Couple of key injuries on that very good o-line and it’s a whole other ball game at the QB position. We know Smith can handle it, we know Ryan can handle it, we have no clue if Kaepernick can handle it.

If it were not for a very timely black out, the niners would have flat been embarrassed. The defense was worn down and had a chance to catch their breath and regroup. Flacco showed Kaepernick what a real QB looks like.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
I’m pretty sure they were using nba officials in this game. [/quote]

Then you haven’t seen a poorly officiated game. There were missed calls on both sides.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

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It is a tough call. We are talking about split second human judgement. There are going to be errors in judgement made.

That is why you need to play well enough to remove all doubt. If you are close enough where a penalty can swing the game your way, and it doesn’t get called and you lose, well you didn’t play well enough. [/quote]

Like I said, I’m not blaming the refs for the loss but when you see blatant game changing penalties (defensive holding and offsides) you have to call them IMO… Doesn’t matter if its the first play or the last play.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Somebody go check on DB and make sure he did not literally off himself. He scares me with that bullshit.[/quote]

Eh, he’ll be fine. He’ll wake up behind a dumpster in 3 days and be posting again within a week.[/quote]

Well we won’t be able to miss it with the mega-queer avatar he will be using.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
For the record I am not blaming the loss on the refs.

I put a ton of the blame on Kap. He should have walked in the game winning TD on that second down roll out. Kap had Walker in the flat and could have walked in behind him but wanted to throw the ball.[/quote]

I really don’t see it as his fault, he made some mistakes, but he also made some really good plays. I think the 9er’s defense gives up way to much ground in the first half and then relies on miracles in the second where they tighten up. The number 1 defense was flat for most of the game. You cannot over come 3 possession deficits in the second half all the time, eventually the clock runs out. I think this is the defenses fault…

Or we could just give credit where it’s due and say that the Raven’s just out played them.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
For the record I am not blaming the loss on the refs.

I put a ton of the blame on Kap. He should have walked in the game winning TD on that second down roll out. Kap had Walker in the flat and could have walked in behind him but wanted to throw the ball.[/quote]

I really don’t see it as his fault, he made some mistakes, but he also made some really good plays. I think the 9er’s defense gives up way to much ground in the first half and then relies on miracles in the second where they tighten up. The number 1 defense was flat for most of the game. You cannot over come 3 possession deficits in the second half all the time, eventually the clock runs out. I think this is the defenses fault…

Or we could just give credit where it’s due and say that the Raven’s just out played them.[/quote]

I already said my peace about the horrible safety play that was directly responsible for the 2 big TD’s.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

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It is a tough call. We are talking about split second human judgement. There are going to be errors in judgement made.

That is why you need to play well enough to remove all doubt. If you are close enough where a penalty can swing the game your way, and it doesn’t get called and you lose, well you didn’t play well enough. [/quote]

Like I said, I’m not blaming the refs for the loss but when you see blatant game changing penalties (defensive holding and offsides) you have to call them IMO… Doesn’t matter if its the first play or the last play.[/quote]

I get what you are saying, and agree. But I also see the other side as well.

It is a tough call.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
All week long I was hearing that 49ers were undefeated in the superbowl/… “yea were 5-0” "we are undefeated in superbowls!!!

                         "NEVERMORE"
                                        - the Raven [/quote]

Now that we don’t have to hear that shit anymore :slight_smile:

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
9ers are obviously just setting the Ravens up for a bigger emotional loss when they make the comeback. Obviously.[/quote]

Famous last words.[/quote]

You seem very bitter.[/quote]

About what?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
So you guys would prefer the game to end how the Seattle and Green Bay game ended?

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It is a tough call. We are talking about split second human judgement. There are going to be errors in judgement made.

That is why you need to play well enough to remove all doubt. If you are close enough where a penalty can swing the game your way, and it doesn’t get called and you lose, well you didn’t play well enough. [/quote]

Like I said, I’m not blaming the refs for the loss but when you see blatant game changing penalties (defensive holding and offsides) you have to call them IMO… Doesn’t matter if its the first play or the last play.[/quote]

I get what you are saying, and agree. But I also see the other side as well.

It is a tough call. [/quote]

It is a tough call… But would have been the right one.

The rules don’t change because its the end of the game.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Agreed. This refs were fishy the whole game. First off that Kick off return by the Ravens should have been called back for a tackle…I mean holding on them. Then obviously that was a holding penalty on the Ravens in the end zone. And the time kill play should again have been called a holding penalty again on the ravens.[/quote]

You neglected to mention when SF CB blatantly interfered with Torrey Smith on an endzone pass in the 1st quarter. (ie. it goes both ways)

And on the time kill play – I assume you mean BAL taking that late safety – BAL blockers were absolutely holding AND doing it very purposefully, given the penalty for offensive holding in the endzone.
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Not sure i remember that one (not doubting you but just cant think of it right now) but yeah I’m not saying there werent blown calls on both sides. But The Kick Return, the 2 point conversion, and the last possible td were big game changing plays.

Yeah I just realized calling holding on the safety wouldn’t have done shit. There should be a penalty for that where the clock is stopped at the point of the penalty. There was about 6 seconds between the hold and the punter running out of bounds.[/quote]

You sound like a bitch. Please prove the Ravens were holding on the kick return.

And the 49ers last play was a good no-call. The refs didn’t want a penalty to determine the outcome of the game, especially because it looked like there was some offensive holding on the 9ers’ player. Both guys got into a scramble, which constituted reasonable doubt and a legitimate reason to NOT throw a flag. [/quote]

Ok well easy with the name calling there’s not reason for that. I’m not attacking anyone in this thread no reason to attack me.

As far as the kick return I don’t know how to embed videos on here from a game. But if you go back to the replay watch the kick return, the last possible tackler (not the kicker) before Jones broke through was being held by 2 guys. If he was not held he would have been right infront of Jones and would have disrupted his run. Watch the fucking replay dude it’s blatently obvious.

Every sports show is talking about the bad officiating changing the game and the blackout…Sooo

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Ravens straight outplayed the Niners. Though, that should have definitely been a penalty for the guy who held Crabtree, but I’ve seen worse non-calls… much worse. If the black out didn’t happen I don’t think it would have been as close as it was. I was also not a huge fan of the play-calling by the Niners in their final drive near the endzone (the three plays before the Crabtree hold).

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Hell, I’m not even a fan of that final play by the Niners either. You have a dual-threat quarterback and you do a floater to Crabtree?

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
As far as the kick return I don’t know how to embed videos on here from a game. But if you go back to the replay watch the kick return, the last possible tackler (not the kicker) before Jones broke through was being held by 2 guys. If he was not held he would have been right infront of Jones and would have disrupted his run. Watch the fucking replay dude it’s blatently obvious.

Every sports show is talking about the bad officiating changing the game and the blackout…Sooo
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They were just replaying this on ESPN.

I didn’t even see it during the actual game but it was really bad.

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http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/videos/Larry-Allen-Bench-Presses-700-lbs/5cdd32a8-0eaf-46f5-a8ff-7fa1806fec4d

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San Frans’ secondary, pass defense strategy, and special teams execution lost that game.

Not the officials.

Flacco played a good game. Boldin played out of his mind, Jones played very smart and super athletic for the position, and Tory Smith did his job and proved he’s top tier.

I know that I mentioned in my original thoughts about this game that special teams was going to be a big factor, and it definitely was. I had no idea that it was going to swing into B-mores favor as heavily as it did though. The fake, the 109 yd kick return, the safety as time wound down… Three big major events in that game.

Two years in a row where SF was snakebit by special teams play, wonder if there is going to be a major overhaul in that aspect of their coaching and personnel as they move toward next season.