^You’d been better off sacrificing Strung-out or PeanutButterAndy.
like i said i think some bias goes into the voting as well… kinda the whole body of work vs. just this year… also poster boys get votes…
Just for you Print
^Now that’s a body of work.
^ Yea I love the easy access dress. Hulk smash.
Roger Godell is a peice of shit. Typical union busting tactic…old.
Troy or Clay, coin flip.
The legend of Timmy Smith is starting to fuck with my head.
Anyone else ever notice that GB’s O-Line is all white guys?
edit/I never pictured you as a face painter DJ lol!
[quote]print wrote:
I didn’t see Troy do anything thus far in the playoffs. He was non-existent in the Jets game. I think 1 possibly 2 tackles. Same against Balt. I think w/the rt offensive scheme you can take him out of the game.
Matthews does nothing but wreak havoc for 4qtrs. He’s constantly on the move & always putting pressure on the QB. & isn’t that the name of the game? Look at what Matthews did to the fastest QB in the league (Vick). He’s a one man wrecking ball.
I’m w/WC on comparing two completely different positions. But when it comes to who has the bigger impact, I say Matthews.[/quote]
Troy Polomalu can successfully lineup and play at every position and every level of a defense, the same cannot be said for Clay Matthews. It’s pretty simple.
Is Clay a dominate player? Yes. Can he impact a defense at every level? No. Troy can.
WC7 -
Are you predicting a PIT win?
Its defensive player of the year…this year clay was the dominant player. Tp had a poor year for his standards
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Its defensive player of the year…this year clay was the dominant player. Tp had a poor year for his standards[/quote]
Right, Defensive Player of the YEAR. That’s 16 games.
Matthews had 2 sacks in his last 6 games. That’s not dominant, that’s subpar production. The award was his to lose at midseason, and he lost it. Show me where he made plays that won several games for the Packers, like Troy did for the Steelers, and then you might have an argument.
Getting 3 sacks in a blowout win against the Bills or an INT for a TD in the waning minutes of a blowout against Dallas isn’t worth as much as a strip sack in the 4th quarter of a late season game in Baltimore with the division title on the line. It’s not the same as an INT with less than 2 minutes left in a tie game putting your team in a position to win the game.
Stats do not tell the whole story here. Troy’s impact plays were directly responsible for 5 Pittsburgh wins. Matthews is great, but he didn’t have that kind of effect on his team’s fortunes.
Good post. Steel. Troy has just been absent the last two games. How many games did he miss this year with injury?
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]print wrote:
I didn’t see Troy do anything thus far in the playoffs. He was non-existent in the Jets game. I think 1 possibly 2 tackles. Same against Balt. I think w/the rt offensive scheme you can take him out of the game.
Matthews does nothing but wreak havoc for 4qtrs. He’s constantly on the move & always putting pressure on the QB. & isn’t that the name of the game? Look at what Matthews did to the fastest QB in the league (Vick). He’s a one man wrecking ball.
I’m w/WC on comparing two completely different positions. But when it comes to who has the bigger impact, I say Matthews.[/quote]
Troy Polomalu can successfully lineup and play at every position and every level of a defense, the same cannot be said for Clay Matthews. It’s pretty simple.
Is Clay a dominate player? Yes. Can he impact a defense at every level? No. Troy can.[/quote]
This isn’t always the case. Saw last night where they will drop him in coverage to cover wr’s & te’s. He did it all this yr. He also can change the outcome of the game as much as TP can.
You can take TP out of the play as GB will Sun. One they open w/5 wr’s he’s going to have to play ctr field. immediately takes his speed blitz out of the picture. When GB played Pitt last yr, McCarthy threw the ball the first 30times. No way in hell TP can can do much other than try to cover a receiver.
If any DB/Safety should be awarded, it should’ve been Woodson again. Kills me to say that.
I also don’t see TP lining up at every position either. He’s not big enough.
I agree w/Matty, he just didn’t have one of his better yrs. Plus he missed games too.
If any db/safety should’ve been awarded a POY, should’ve been Woodson again. It kills me to say that.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Good post. Steel. Troy has just been absent the last two games. How many games did he miss this year with injury?[/quote]
Yeah, he’s been a non-factor in the playoffs, that is true. I suspect his achilles strain has something to do with that. The guy is not the most durable player out there, that’s for sure.
He sat out the Jets and Panthers games.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Good post. Steel. Troy has just been absent the last two games. How many games did he miss this year with injury?[/quote]
Yeah, he’s been a non-factor in the playoffs, that is true. I suspect his achilles strain has something to do with that. The guy is not the most durable player out there, that’s for sure.
He sat out the Jets and Panthers games.[/quote]
Thanks I couldnt remember, you know what happens to safeties when they start breaking down. You maybe have him for another couple years, then the steelers will be looking to cut/trade him. Guy is a beast, but Safeties do not have long playing careers.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Its defensive player of the year…this year clay was the dominant player. Tp had a poor year for his standards[/quote]
Right, Defensive Player of the YEAR. That’s 16 games.
Matthews had 2 sacks in his last 6 games. That’s not dominant, that’s subpar production. The award was his to lose at midseason, and he lost it. Show me where he made plays that won several games for the Packers, like Troy did for the Steelers, and then you might have an argument.
Getting 3 sacks in a blowout win against the Bills or an INT for a TD in the waning minutes of a blowout against Dallas isn’t worth as much as a strip sack in the 4th quarter of a late season game in Baltimore with the division title on the line. It’s not the same as an INT with less than 2 minutes left in a tie game putting your team in a position to win the game.
Stats do not tell the whole story here. Troy’s impact plays were directly responsible for 5 Pittsburgh wins. Matthews is great, but he didn’t have that kind of effect on his team’s fortunes.[/quote]
Agreeâ?¦STATS do not tell the whole story.
Is this award a regular season only award, or the whole season? if it includes the playoffs, Matthews has been amazing and why I believe he should have won. TP has done nothing in the playoffs. While you state that stats do not tell the whole story you mention Matthews’ up and down statistics when giving reasoning why he shouldnt have won DPOY. Matthews was double teamed all year. He also was was playing hurt through the last 6 games which could have been the reason for his less than stellar stats. As Print has said, Matthews wreaked havoc this year espescially in the playoffs. TP is a great player no doubt, but like others have said I believe they gave it to TP because of his career more than his year.
Anyways I just felt like saying something on this thread, because honestly I want both teams to lose, and the week before the SB is extremely annoying and boring. In NY the cock sucking of the Steelers is bordering on sickening, I have really no feeling about the Steelers one way or the other…but man the media is so far up Ben, Hines, Tomlin and TP’s ass if I was a Packer fan it would get me heated. I get it, the Steelers org is the benchmark of how an org should be run, James Farrior only sees himself as a Steeler, The Steelers are so tough, Big Ben looks like he found Jesus, Hines Ward wants Plax back and went to a strip joint…god who gives a shit…can we just play, espescially because I want to blow 5 hondos in stupid SB boxes.
Yeah I know and your right if it was the Jets in the SB I would be eating this stuff up lol.
Steelers 24 Packers 20 in a classic
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Good post. Steel. Troy has just been absent the last two games. How many games did he miss this year with injury?[/quote]
Yeah, he’s been a non-factor in the playoffs, that is true. I suspect his achilles strain has something to do with that. The guy is not the most durable player out there, that’s for sure.
He sat out the Jets and Panthers games.[/quote]
I also suspect that Lebeau is asking him to play way off the line. Sometimes players I think have to sacrifice numbers and stats in order to run certain defensive schemes. They get ripped in the press but in the locker room the guys know whats what, taking one for the team so to speak. I know for a fact it happens in the NHL.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Its defensive player of the year…this year clay was the dominant player. Tp had a poor year for his standards[/quote]
Right, Defensive Player of the YEAR. That’s 16 games.
Matthews had 2 sacks in his last 6 games. That’s not dominant, that’s subpar production. The award was his to lose at midseason, and he lost it. Show me where he made plays that won several games for the Packers, like Troy did for the Steelers, and then you might have an argument.
Getting 3 sacks in a blowout win against the Bills or an INT for a TD in the waning minutes of a blowout against Dallas isn’t worth as much as a strip sack in the 4th quarter of a late season game in Baltimore with the division title on the line. It’s not the same as an INT with less than 2 minutes left in a tie game putting your team in a position to win the game.
Stats do not tell the whole story here. Troy’s impact plays were directly responsible for 5 Pittsburgh wins. Matthews is great, but he didn’t have that kind of effect on his team’s fortunes.[/quote]
I don’t think sacks tell the whole story. Do they tally pressures and QB hits also? Matthews had 2 sacks the last 6 games, but opposing offenses could have schemed more for him, which allowed other players to make sacks and interceptions.
Woodley had 10 sacks and Harrison had 10.5 sacks, but I’m sure they created much more havoc than just sacks.
GB 27 Pit 17
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Its defensive player of the year…this year clay was the dominant player. Tp had a poor year for his standards[/quote]
Right, Defensive Player of the YEAR. That’s 16 games.
Matthews had 2 sacks in his last 6 games. That’s not dominant, that’s subpar production. The award was his to lose at midseason, and he lost it. Show me where he made plays that won several games for the Packers, like Troy did for the Steelers, and then you might have an argument.
Getting 3 sacks in a blowout win against the Bills or an INT for a TD in the waning minutes of a blowout against Dallas isn’t worth as much as a strip sack in the 4th quarter of a late season game in Baltimore with the division title on the line. It’s not the same as an INT with less than 2 minutes left in a tie game putting your team in a position to win the game.
Stats do not tell the whole story here. Troy’s impact plays were directly responsible for 5 Pittsburgh wins. Matthews is great, but he didn’t have that kind of effect on his team’s fortunes.[/quote]
Agreeâ?¦STATS do not tell the whole story.
Is this award a regular season only award, or the whole season? if it includes the playoffs, Matthews has been amazing and why I believe he should have won. TP has done nothing in the playoffs. While you state that stats do not tell the whole story you mention Matthews’ up and down statistics when giving reasoning why he shouldnt have won DPOY. Matthews was double teamed all year. He also was was playing hurt through the last 6 games which could have been the reason for his less than stellar stats. As Print has said, Matthews wreaked havoc this year espescially in the playoffs. TP is a great player no doubt, but like others have said I believe they gave it to TP because of his career more than his year.
Anyways I just felt like saying something on this thread, because honestly I want both teams to lose, and the week before the SB is extremely annoying and boring. In NY the cock sucking of the Steelers is bordering on sickening, I have really no feeling about the Steelers one way or the other…but man the media is so far up Ben, Hines, Tomlin and TP’s ass if I was a Packer fan it would get me heated. I get it, the Steelers org is the benchmark of how an org should be run, James Farrior only sees himself as a Steeler, The Steelers are so tough, Big Ben looks like he found Jesus, Hines Ward wants Plax back and went to a strip joint…god who gives a shit…can we just play, espescially because I want to blow 5 hondos in stupid SB boxes.
Yeah I know and your right if it was the Jets in the SB I would be eating this stuff up lol.
Steelers 24 Packers 20 in a classic
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First of all the MVP, DPOY, OPOY, etc. awards are for regular season only.
Re - me saying stats don’t tell the whole story:
Yeah I’m not sure why I put that line in there, since it’s definitely true that you can’t really measure a defensive players’ impact through stats alone. My point was that Troy had a bigger impact on whether his team won or not than Matthews, because he was directly responsible for 5/12 wins by making huge plays in tight games that either took points away or led directly to Steeler points. He was also playing hurt (who doesn’t) so that’s not really anything worth mentioning on either side there.
Also, the only reason I quoted your post was because it was the last one I read that dealt with the DPOY. Wasn’t singling you out, just getting my 2 cents in.
It’s funny, but when I listen to pre-SB coverage, all I hear is how Goodell is talking shit about Ben, how Ben’s an asshole for deflecting questions about Milledgeville, how good Aaron Rogers is, and how hard the Steelers are going to have it with 4/5 starting OL on the shelf.
I guess we hear what we want to hear.
I won’t make a prediction on the game because I can’t rationally do so. Let’s just say I would have loved to see Caleb Hanie and the Bears. Pittsburgh would have rolled Chicago like a bitch. I think this will be a good one though. I am mentally ready for a wild 4 quarters.
This is definitely true…I always here the negative when the media talks about my team. But I swear the local NY media, especially the local sports radio station loooooves the Steelers, they hardly talk about the packers.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
WC7 -
Are you predicting a PIT win?[/quote]
To be honest I’d like the Packers to take it, just because the Steelers have already won a couple Super Bowls in recent years.
If I were a betting man, however, I’d take Pittsburgh. I think it’s a damn good match up though and I can’t wait for this Sunday.