[quote]SSC wrote:
Awesome thread, and a smart man.
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Thanks man!
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Every bit of advice NewDamage has given me thus far has been spot-on… Wish I would’ve taken what he said to heart a little bit sooner! [/quote]
Hey man glad you got something out of it that’s all I could hope for.
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Anyway, informative read, you’ve done an awesome job, and keep up the great work!
BTW - I like the way you talk about actually getting “fat.” I can totally relate - I see these guys who see themselves as “fat” and you can still see their intercostals. But hey, at least we don’t have any problem putting on weight. :)[/quote]
Hahahah glad you understand what I’m talking about. Sometimes I wanna kick those guys in the junk. Seriously though, I think the fact that people have totally different ideas of “fat” is one of the roots of the arguments people get into on here between bulking and cutting.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I think the fact that you sat down to write ALL that out…is enough for anyone here to respect you the same as a “guru.”
And if I may:
Hahaha, well, honestly, I thought it was almost too long and convoluted, but I felt it was appropriate to illustrate what has shaped my training and dieting experiences.
Yeah wish I had more videos up but I usually don’t video anything that isn’t somewhat impressive. Feel like everything is pretty much isn’t worthy…YET.
[quote]elusive wrote:
Nice deadlift, im VERY jealous. You may not be a self proclaimed guru, but have lots of experience that others on the board can learn from. Members like you keep this place motivated. Good work.[/quote]
Thanks elusive, I’m jealous of your front double bi - impressive work man.
How long did you bulk before your knee went AWOL on you the last time?
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Not long enough - 4 months, maybe?
Doing some damage control now, and then if I truly feel like it, I’ll try to get shredded again.
After that, its on. I’m going to get my knee checked out and devise a way to train around it the best I can, but everything else will be trained DC.
I won’t be eating for some quick bulk this time but rather eating what I need to conistently beat the logbook and add a steady amount of weight to the scale without getting too sloppy.
Provided I have the discpline I want to do this for at least a year, minimum, preferably 2-3 and try to put on another 50-70 lbs, hopfullly 2/3 of that being muscle.
Long term goal (next 5-7 years) would be something like 260-270 at the same bodyfat in my avatar - I’m about 215 there, at 6’0" - so I’ll need to get up to a smooth but solid 300 or so.
Well, I’m 25 and I ain’t getting any younger so its time to start ensuring I’m making the right moves to get there. All of this “TRY TO GET HUGE IN 3 MONTHS!” crap I fall into just makes me waste more time cutting.
Thank you sir. Hopefully I’ll be repping that within a year if things go well!
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Still my hero.[/quote]
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[quote]London Runner wrote:
Very interesting read. And great work over the years.
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Hey thanks man, glad you enjoyed it. Plan on doing some better work in the years to come.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Thanks for this new damage. I have only been at this 3 years or so but I realize I am on the exact same page as you nutritionally with always wanting to eat more, even while trying to gain and always carrying more fat than I need.
Really good info. Hopefully I can follow your path the next few years.[/quote]
If you’re really wanting to get big, its very tempting to justify eating everything. If you’re one of the guys like me who do that, and you don’t have the carb tolerance or metabolism to get away with it, then well…all about manning the fuck up and exercising some discipline, really.
But you also gotta be honest with yourself and know the difference between smooth…and sloppy. I have no problem gaining fat…just have a problem putting on too much of it.
Don’t follow my path exactly dude! lol I have made, and continue to make mistakes - learn from the stupid crap I’ve done and exceed me!
If you want to fire some questions and scenarios specific to yourself my way, I’m all years and I can try to help you avoid some of the pitfalls I’ve fallen into.
How long did you bulk before your knee went AWOL on you the last time?
Not long enough - 4 months, maybe? [/quote] If you incorporated RP and so on then I’m not really surprised at how you felt at the end…
If you ever try that again, stick to the blast/cruise thing we do in DC… Even if you just incorporate some of the principles.
12 weeks or so are the max I’ve ever managed to blast… Usually around 8-12 weeks. [quote]
Doing some damage control now, and then if I truly feel like it, I’ll try to get shredded again.
After that, its on. I’m going to get my knee checked out and devise a way to train around it the best I can, but everything else will be trained DC. [/quote] Any idea what’s wrong with your knee? (narrow stance deadlifting and accidentally rolled your feet so that you “stood” on the outer edges instead of having the whole foot on the floor, thus causing trouble at the outside of the knees…? Or something similar, by any chance? Or maybe a pulled hamstring or so?[quote]
I won’t be eating for some quick bulk this time but rather eating what I need to conistently beat the logbook and add a steady amount of weight to the scale without getting too sloppy.
Provided I have the discpline I want to do this for at least a year, minimum, preferably 2-3 and try to put on another 50-70 lbs, hopfullly 2/3 of that being muscle.
Long term goal (next 5-7 years) would be something like 260-270 at the same bodyfat in my avatar - I’m about 215 there, at 6’0" - so I’ll need to get up to a smooth but solid 300 or so.
[/quote] Good luck man. [quote]
Well, I’m 25 and I ain’t getting any younger so its time to start ensuring I’m making the right moves to get there. All of this “TRY TO GET HUGE IN 3 MONTHS!” crap I fall into just makes me waste more time cutting.[/quote]
Post Workout
3 scoops Surge
10g creatine
OR
60g Whey isolate
Glutamine
10g Creatine
glycine (on occasion but eventually I stopped doing this because it would make me yak and feel generally terrible, gave me a weird sensitivity to light and made me pray for death.)
Post-Post Workout
50-75g Carbs usually from rice (if I felt I needed it)
50g protein usually from chicken
vegetable
but eventually I just went low carb again
8oz meat
vegetable
2-3g EPA/DHA
1-1.5hrs later
15g BCAA
5g Creatine
Lsat Meal
Salmon, Chicken, or Beef or Metabolic Drive to give about 40-50 g protein
vegetable
That’s about it. I cut out cheat meals completely for at least a month, and then after that I’d have a Hot-n-Ready pizza about once a month, usually on Thursdays after the workout so I could go in there carbed up on Friday and do my deadlifts.
The big thing is making sure, even if you’re eating similar to that, that the Calories are appropriate for you, obviously. I didn’t really count my Calories strictly, I just had a general idea. Basically I figured it was somewhat low, but by ensuring it was that low I KNEW I was gonna drop fat, pretty fast too - it actually flew off me. I relied on the BCAAs to hopefully preserve muscle.
Now, I’m not saying thats the best way. I was spending a lot of money on bulk BCAAs, and taking a ton of creatine, but my goal was extremely quick fat loss with minimal muscle loss, so I was willing to devote some extra money to that.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you incorporated RP and so on then I’m not really surprised at how you felt at the end…
If you ever try that again, stick to the blast/cruise thing we do in DC… Even if you just incorporate some of the principles.
12 weeks or so are the max I’ve ever managed to blast… Usually around 8-12 weeks.
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Well, when I do DC legitimately in the future, I will definitely follow the blast cruise cycles. However, at the end of my recent bulk, I felt fantastic, minus the knee. The only time I really felt bad was when I was doing that ridiculously high volume routine while cutting during the summer.
Not to sound like a bad ass, seriously, but the DC inspired routine is a lot…well, I hate to say easier…but its easier than what I usually have done. I have gotten crazy stupid in the gym in the past with intensity techniques, rest pausing, whatever, and doing one all out top set RPed is almost like a break to me.
You gotta remember I’ve been using straight sets for pretty much my whole training career, and I always train as heavy as I can, sometimes too heavy, so I’m usually attempting 5x5 deads or 4x6 squats with my 6 rep max…and somehow praying at the altar and sacrificing kittens in order to get my reps in.
I don’t wanna piss off any DC guys, certainly, but the hardest part about the DC inspired stuff was:
1)some of the stretches I tried. those suck. I hate that crap.
2)widowmaker leg movements.
But a top end rest paused set…pssh…love those, because in the past I’d do that…and then do another…and do another. I know know. not smart, definitely not necessary, but sometimes I get a little sadistic in the gym which can definitely be a bad thing in terms of progress if it makes you do way too much damn work than is necessary.
I really have no idea, and that’s because I’m a dolt for not getting it checked out. I don’t remember any “incidence” of injury occurring during exercise…I remember squatting down at work one day, in work shoes (somewhat of a raise heel) and felt a slight twinge…then one day, I got up off my couch in a weird manner and felt a sharp pain that was more severe, which worried me…then basically it would come and go until finally, I couldn’t squat. Its pretty much under the kneecap.
After about a year, and spending as much time barefoot as I could, while avoiding any leg movements aside from hammies, it subsided and I could “pop” my knee and it would feel more solid, and stable. Slowly I incorporated front squats again, squatting barefoot, until I was doing 350 for 3-5 reps.
After that I stupidly added in backsquats and leg presses, and even though I tried to make sure my form was good…one night, after hitting 500 for two singles for the first time in the back squat…knee felt fine, everything felt great, went home and iced the knee just in case…few days later tried to deadlift, and there it was…same pain as before. !$#@!#$@
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you incorporated RP and so on then I’m not really surprised at how you felt at the end…
If you ever try that again, stick to the blast/cruise thing we do in DC… Even if you just incorporate some of the principles.
12 weeks or so are the max I’ve ever managed to blast… Usually around 8-12 weeks.
Well, when I do DC legitimately in the future, I will definitely follow the blast cruise cycles. However, at the end of my recent bulk, I felt fantastic, minus the knee. The only time I really felt bad was when I was doing that ridiculously high volume routine while cutting during the summer.
Not to sound like a bad ass, seriously, but the DC inspired routine is a lot…well, I hate to say easier…but its easier than what I usually have done. I have gotten crazy stupid in the gym in the past with intensity techniques, rest pausing, whatever, and doing one all out top set RPed is almost like a break to me.
You gotta remember I’ve been using straight sets for pretty much my whole training career, and I always train as heavy as I can, sometimes too heavy, so I’m usually attempting 5x5 deads or 4x6 squats with my 6 rep max…and somehow praying at the altar and sacrificing kittens in order to get my reps in.
I don’t wanna piss off any DC guys, certainly, but the hardest part about the DC inspired stuff was:
1)some of the stretches I tried. those suck. I hate that crap. [/quote] Hahaha, the ham stretch is fun, huh? [quote]
2)widowmaker leg movements. [/quote] That’s why all you pussies like low-reps on leg work. High, grinding reps are difficult ;D [quote]
But a top end rest paused set…pssh…love those, because in the past I’d do that…and then do another…and do another. I know know. not smart, definitely not necessary, but sometimes I get a little sadistic in the gym which can definitely be a bad thing in terms of progress if it makes you do way too much damn work than is necessary.
[/quote] I was mentioning this more as in: Almost everyone I know who uses RP and any kind of “rapid-gain” routine (higher frequency as well) and keeps going on and on without a break ends up injured… Even if you don’t feel down overall.
But of course that may not have been the reason.
Shame you can’t pin-point an exercise as such…
Hope you didn’t manage to fuck up your meniscus somehow or something equally ugly.
I know what you mean with 1RP set being “easier” than high-volume though.
(that’s when you channel that extra energy into a 20 lb increase on inclines and still grind out more reps than you did last time with a lighter weight… )
Lots of ex-powerlifters who’ve accumulated their share of injuries start feeling like little girls (joint-wise) once they start doing DC.
After that, its on. I’m going to get my knee checked out and devise a way to train around it the best I can, but everything else will be trained DC.[/quote]
That’s the same boat I’m in, except with an ankle instead of a knee. So if you get any ideas then please PM them over to me because currently all I can think of to do for myself is leg curls and extensions and I’d like to vary that a bit more, obviously.
Anyway, awesome deadlift and looking awesome in your avatar.
Just want to be a dick-cheese burger and say that I am lucky enough to have been ND’s training partner for a good while now, and he has basically been a mentor to me. Incredibly nice, strong, consistent guy who has done a shit load to help me out. I’d drop some ‘shit yourself while deadlifting’ jokes but, seriously, I attribute my jump from about 200 to 260 in a year almost entirely to the intensity and technique I learned from being around him and the others.
Hi New Damage… you do indeed have an awesome avatar photo. You did succeed in getting super ripped. Quick question though, I understand the BCAAs… but what is the thought process behind the super high creatine usage?
[quote]kudante wrote:
Just want to be a dick-cheese burger and say that I am lucky enough to have been ND’s training partner for a good while now, and he has basically been a mentor to me. Incredibly nice, strong, consistent guy who has done a shit load to help me out. I’d drop some ‘shit yourself while deadlifting’ jokes but, seriously, I attribute my jump from about 200 to 260 in a year almost entirely to the intensity and technique I learned from being around him and the others.
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Awwww how sweet!
One of the reasons I’ve progressed over the last couple of years is definitely having a couple of good training partners who have been willing to push themselves, as well as push me when I’m rryin to drag ass, kudante being one of them.
He’s made incredible progress in a very short amount of time, much faster than what I did as a beginner!
I rolled solo for most of my training career but the last few years I’ve had a couple of guys who stuck with it kept up with the intensity, and even made training fun on those days when you don’t wanna be there.
[quote]DJS wrote:
Hi New Damage… you do indeed have an awesome avatar photo. You did succeed in getting super ripped. Quick question though, I understand the BCAAs… but what is the thought process behind the super high creatine usage?[/quote]
I had read some instances of people claiming to have better results doing larger doses everyday, so I figured I needed all the help I could get, so I thought “Why not?”
ND! Great Thread! What do you do/did you do for lower back strength? You seem to use a lot of back pulling so I’d like know what type of lifting you did to prevent any injury.
Also, what do you do for ab work? I find that when doing front squats, my abs give way long before my legs.
[quote]rondastarr wrote:
Since you have a little fan club going here today I will just reiterate, love your back. My favorite avatar by far.
Sorry I just had to say it again…[/quote]
Enough! I’m telling you I’m nothin special!
Seriously though thanks its always appreciated.
For the record, ronda sometimes takes trips to Alabama, and trains with her friend JoeGood (who also posts here) at the same place I train at - I’ve seen her deadlift, and she pulls more weight with better form than most of the dudes there!
