Newbie Lifter Seeking Advice On Form

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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[quote]Jarvan wrote:
You can flare your elbows out as far as you want for the high bar, but it would be dumb as fuck (in my opinion). So I simply asked you your thoughts thinking maybe I missed something. Maybe you’re afraid to admit you fucked up? So you refuse to give a detailed answer?

I just know if you sit that far back while squatting, with your elbows that high, with the bar on top of your traps, your face will meet the wall.

So toughen up buddy, and give a straight answer.
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I actually don’t recall you asking my thoughts on the thread, at least, not simply, as you stated. In general, it’s seemed needlessly antagonistic, and it’s not really anything I need to engage in at the moment. I see no benefit in discussing the matter, as it will not make me stronger.

I am content to have you disagree with my statement. If you wish to think I am wrong, I am fine with that. In the same token, I also disagree with your argument. If you are not content with that, I apologize, but it is as far as this will go.

The amicable thing is simply to agree to disagree and move on, no?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Jarvan wrote:
You can flare your elbows out as far as you want for the high bar, but it would be dumb as fuck (in my opinion). So I simply asked you your thoughts thinking maybe I missed something. Maybe you’re afraid to admit you fucked up? So you refuse to give a detailed answer?

I just know if you sit that far back while squatting, with your elbows that high, with the bar on top of your traps, your face will meet the wall.

So toughen up buddy, and give a straight answer.
[/quote]

I actually don’t recall you asking my thoughts on the thread, at least, not simply, as you stated. In general, it’s seemed needlessly antagonistic, and it’s not really anything I need to engage in at the moment. I see no benefit in discussing the matter, as it will not make me stronger.

I am content to have you disagree with my statement. If you wish to think I am wrong, I am fine with that. In the same token, I also disagree with your argument. If you are not content with that, I apologize, but it is as far as this will go.

The amicable thing is simply to agree to disagree and move on, no?
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No need to beat a dead horse.

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Really wish I could see this video so I could get in on all this dick swinging

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[quote]Jarvan wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Jarvan wrote:
You can flare your elbows out as far as you want for the high bar, but it would be dumb as fuck (in my opinion). So I simply asked you your thoughts thinking maybe I missed something. Maybe you’re afraid to admit you fucked up? So you refuse to give a detailed answer?

I just know if you sit that far back while squatting, with your elbows that high, with the bar on top of your traps, your face will meet the wall.

So toughen up buddy, and give a straight answer.
[/quote]

I actually don’t recall you asking my thoughts on the thread, at least, not simply, as you stated. In general, it’s seemed needlessly antagonistic, and it’s not really anything I need to engage in at the moment. I see no benefit in discussing the matter, as it will not make me stronger.

I am content to have you disagree with my statement. If you wish to think I am wrong, I am fine with that. In the same token, I also disagree with your argument. If you are not content with that, I apologize, but it is as far as this will go.

The amicable thing is simply to agree to disagree and move on, no?
[/quote]

No need to beat a dead horse.[/quote]

Look, the fact that you found the idea of a 20 rep 210# squat so unbelievable that you called BS less than a month ago, puts you in the category of blind leading blind. Also the fact that you disagree with the obivious fact that this is a high bar squat so adamantly further brings credence to the fact that you need to do a lot more listening and learning before puffing your chest out on the internet. You are making yourself look foolish.

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[quote]Reed wrote:
Really wish I could see this video so I could get in on all this dick swinging[/quote]

It doesn’t work on the phone/ipad. You’ll have to use a computer to see it.

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[quote]Reed wrote:
Really wish I could see this video so I could get in on all this dick swinging[/quote]

lol

come to Thailand, you’ll see plenty

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Look, the fact that you found the idea of a 20 rep 210# squat so unbelievable that you called BS less than a month ago, puts you in the category of blind leading blind. Also the fact that you disagree with the obivious fact that this is a high bar squat so adamantly further brings credence to the fact that you need to do a lot more listening and learning before puffing your chest out on the internet. You are making yourself look foolish.
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I said it was impressive, not unbelievable. And the OP confirmed it wasn’t high bar. lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY. And only speak when spoken to. You’re coming off like little boy.

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Maybe he doesn’t know what a high bar is compared to a low bar.

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But better yet what is the actual argument here?

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[quote]Jarvan wrote:
sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY. And only speak when spoken to. You’re coming off like little boy.
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Coming from you, all of these sentences just drip with irony.

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[quote]Jarvan wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Look, the fact that you found the idea of a 20 rep 210# squat so unbelievable that you called BS less than a month ago, puts you in the category of blind leading blind. Also the fact that you disagree with the obivious fact that this is a high bar squat so adamantly further brings credence to the fact that you need to do a lot more listening and learning before puffing your chest out on the internet. You are making yourself look foolish.
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I said it was impressive, not unbelievable. And the OP confirmed it wasn’t high bar. lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY. And only speak when spoken to. You’re coming off like little boy.
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I don’t know if you understand the irony in calling someone a little boy in a the sentence after [quote]lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY.[/quote].

Know the OP, who is in a thread seeking lifting advice because he is a newb, said that he put the bar “just below his traps, between high and low bar position” which sounds a lot like a high bar. And also I think you have fallen into the trap of assuming that a squats performance is the indicator of high or low bar position.

It is not and that is why Punisher told him to lower the bar, because he is performing the movement of a low bar (which is also referred to as a power squat, basically a hip hinge first) instead of a high bar (also referred to as an Olympic squat with a knee hinge first).

A lot of people squat with varying degrees of crossover between the two based off their leverages. I think its Lillibridge that has a pretty good example of a hybrid between the two, could be thinking of the wrong guy though.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Jarvan wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Look, the fact that you found the idea of a 20 rep 210# squat so unbelievable that you called BS less than a month ago, puts you in the category of blind leading blind. Also the fact that you disagree with the obivious fact that this is a high bar squat so adamantly further brings credence to the fact that you need to do a lot more listening and learning before puffing your chest out on the internet. You are making yourself look foolish.
[/quote]

I said it was impressive, not unbelievable. And the OP confirmed it wasn’t high bar. lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY. And only speak when spoken to. You’re coming off like little boy.
[/quote]

I don’t know if you understand the irony in calling someone a little boy in a the sentence after [quote]lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY.[/quote].

Know the OP, who is in a thread seeking lifting advice because he is a newb, said that he put the bar “just below his traps, between high and low bar position” which sounds a lot like a high bar. And also I think you have fallen into the trap of assuming that a squats performance is the indicator of high or low bar position.

It is not and that is why Punisher told him to lower the bar, because he is performing the movement of a low bar (which is also referred to as a power squat, basically a hip hinge first) instead of a high bar (also referred to as an Olympic squat with a knee hinge first).

A lot of people squat with varying degrees of crossover between the two based off their leverages. I think its Lillibridge that has a pretty good example of a hybrid between the two, could be thinking of the wrong guy though.
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Nope ite Lillibridge

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Jarvan wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Look, the fact that you found the idea of a 20 rep 210# squat so unbelievable that you called BS less than a month ago, puts you in the category of blind leading blind. Also the fact that you disagree with the obivious fact that this is a high bar squat so adamantly further brings credence to the fact that you need to do a lot more listening and learning before puffing your chest out on the internet. You are making yourself look foolish.
[/quote]

I said it was impressive, not unbelievable. And the OP confirmed it wasn’t high bar. lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY. And only speak when spoken to. You’re coming off like little boy.
[/quote]

I don’t know if you understand the irony in calling someone a little boy in a the sentence after [quote]lol. sooooooooo AnGryyYYYYY.[/quote].

Know the OP, who is in a thread seeking lifting advice because he is a newb, said that he put the bar “just below his traps, between high and low bar position” which sounds a lot like a high bar. And also I think you have fallen into the trap of assuming that a squats performance is the indicator of high or low bar position.

It is not and that is why Punisher told him to lower the bar, because he is performing the movement of a low bar (which is also referred to as a power squat, basically a hip hinge first) instead of a high bar (also referred to as an Olympic squat with a knee hinge first).

A lot of people squat with varying degrees of crossover between the two based off their leverages. I think its Lillibridge that has a pretty good example of a hybrid between the two, could be thinking of the wrong guy though.
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I would have to say that it definitely isn’t fully a low bar squat, it isn’t fully high bar either.

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[quote]Reed wrote:
But better yet what is the actual argument here?[/quote]

You’re only missing what is probably the most pointless argument on this site in recent times. And that includes the PX shitstorm threads (but not HH’s many threads about religion).

Arguing about whether the guy was squatting HB vs LB in the video is about as useful to improving the guy’s squat as telling him to squat in a fucking tutu (though that would at least be entertaining).

Now, I think what’s left of the thread has degenerated into bashing Jarvan because he made his point in a very abrasive manner, as he often seems to do.

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Thanks for the advice everyone. This is 260. I’ll post another view from the rear maybe you can tell me f I’m high or low or if I should or could go lower.

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The first lift is 205. The shallower lift is 245.

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Alas, the rear view video

This video would have helped a lot a couple days ago OP

And I come off as abrasive because I am direct and blunt. Which translates to I’m an asshole.
Most likely we won’t, but if I ever spoke to any of you in person, I’d be the same dickhead that I probably sound like on here. Except you would hear my tone and see how it can sound awful on text. I just flow honestly, albeit brash. My gov’t tries to censor me enough, why censor myself more?

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Just wanted to point out how funny it is that Reed didn’t even see the video and he hopped on the ‘flame on Jarvan’ bandwagon lol Group think is a motherfucker.

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When did I flame you in any way?

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[quote]Reed wrote:
Maybe he doesn’t know what a high bar is compared to a low bar. [/quote]

If your referring to this statement I was talking about maybe the OP does not the difference not you. I never speculated whether you or punisher wer correct nor did I flame either of you as I still have not seen the video and still can not see it or the new ones. So I’d just like to point out that maybe your just finding fights were there are none.