I just researched it and to what I see I stand corrected. Thanks for straightening that out. The Half Life is only an hour or so, it looks like. That makes good sense. I was no longer hungry after about 90 minutes.
And lunch was typical, I was not that hungry. (Some of that is due to eating too many Carbs this morning, and I need to keep it really clean and cut out the Nutty Bars.)
Makes sense what you say about GH and cancer patients…
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
BBB,
Makes perfect sense, and I understand. Why the A Juice at all? Cause I am DEAD after the workout. I have
a family, we both work full, etc, and it just gives me a little energy.
I can certainly skip it…AND, hopefully, I won’t have to lift as hard as I am now to make progress. I am 47, and lift as hard as any 25 year old, mainly due to my inability to gain mass. And frankly, I look forward to a little help… 
Its been a long two years, and I am giving in to the idea of a little help from something, if you know what I mean.
Please give your opinion on this then…I lift, skip the apple juice, go home and dose right away. That is about 10 - 15 minutes post. After dose, another 20 minutes till Carb/Protein shake.
Adding all that up, plus my daughter needing me for this, or that…etc… in your opinion, which seems to be pretty valuable to me :)…is dosing after i get home, then the post shake at 30 minutes post workout too long of a wait? Or okay?
The reason I posted this, is that I need someone to look at what I am saying and tell me what’s up. Thanks for doing that. I have read your stuff, and it is good.
Other question…does this stuff have to stabilize at a level in my system? Or could I use it every other day, just on lift days? I read several places where guys do it every day…and my life just would tend to interfere with that, if you know what I mean. And I certainly don’t need my daughters accidentally walking in on me dosing. You could say “why not?!” Personal preference. :)[/quote]
I will ‘give’ you this piece of advice, even though it is valuable to me, financially speaking:
Eat 2 chocolate bars and 40g of whey about 40 minutes before training.
If it doesn’t cause you to gain muscle in a short time, WITHOUT putting fat on you, then I’m no fucking good at what I claim to be expert in.
That’s it. I’m not getting into debate about “oh, noez, not chocolate. You’ll get FAT!”
Try it, for 2 weeks. No other change (except drop the juice aroud injection time), just the 2 choc bars and a shot of whey.
My friend put on 5 kg in a week with this, and he knows his own body well enough to determine if any of that was fat. He says it wasn’t. I believe him because i’ve seen it in other clients, though not to that extreme.
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My girlfriend thinks I’ve lost fat from doing this (on top of the weight gain) and adding 2 snickers bars pre workout that was the only adjustment I made.
It is amazing Budda…I got 5 pounds in 12 days. And I only eat ONE of the regular size Hersheys !
I got home at 6:45 last night, and did second dose. Noticing that I do feel weak and Hypoglycemic about ten minutes after. Not enough that I would pass out, just feel it a little. Break just a little sweat, and just a little dizziness. Funny too that when I ate last night, I chowed down on 2-3 plates of Chicken salad on tortilla chips. Had I drank some Apple Juice right away at the 20 minute mark, I bet I would have gotten rid of the weak, dizzy feeling. But it just gradually went away in a half hour while I ate.
At this point, with only a 100 mcg dose, I am eating enough to get gorged. Wondering if I can hold myself back some, or possibly drop to a 75 mcg dose.
Today, I will be dosing pre workout. I fear the weak feeling will be stronger due to it being after workout…but we will see. My post drink is 25 G protein in milk, along with 40 g Carbo Gain, which is a
white Carb/Starch powder. I am planning on dosing when I get back from gym, waiting 20 minutes, and then taking post drink. In the past, the Carbs in that drink have made me feel bloated after I drank it and not want to eat for almost an hour. We will see if the dose makes me hungry even after I have my post drink. I am certain I will be hungry.
All that said, I could see doing 75 mcg dose in the AM, and in the evening, but doing 100 mcg post workout on workout days…which is every other day.
Another thing I was hoping for, and it is too early to tell, but my tendonitis in my elbow from about 14 months now, feels much better. I am poking the area, and it does not hurt near as bad as two days ago. Still hurts right on elbow bone, but hoping… I intend to dose later on in the skin right at the elbow to see if that helps. Doc said they might shoot a steroid there one day…so it makes sense?
Sleeping? First evening dose last night, and I slept pretty well. Did not get to sleep any faster, but when I did I stayed pretty much asleep. For two weeks I have been rolling around due to shoulders and elbow pain. Went pretty well last night.
Not giving up on the choc bars pre workout. I workout at Noon today, will dose after workout.
BBB, I just got another pound today ! Got 201. First time EVER !!! Hit 200 on Tuesday at Noon…
Just got back from gym, lunch today. I did 250 pushups in sets of 25, s.setted with sets of 15 hanging wipers. Got home, dosed 100 mcg. Waited 20 minutes, gulped down post shake of 25 g protein in milk, with 40 g Carb powder. Bot two McDoubles on the way home and had them in fridge. Warmed em up, threw away the bottom bun, and ate em.
Today, dosing post workout, I did not get the weakness or dizziness. I also did not get the strong urge to eat. It was EASY to eat after the post shake though, which in the past was aweful. So I guess that says something in itself. I only at the two burgers, and I am fine.
I think I will go 75 mcg twice a day on off days, and 100 mcg post workout on lift days…
My lift days are usually around 5:30 or 6:00. If I lift at Noon, I can add in a 75 mcg dose at dinner time.
Going well. I do notice a tenderness at the spot of entry. It feels tender in an area about the size of a dime. But that is about it.
Sorry, just to clarify: Whilst I have GHRP-6 in my fridge I very, very seldom take/use it. I’m using Melanotan at present and just feel more comfortable not using 2 peptides concurrently.
My gains from the chocolate (that sounds like an oxymoron!) are nothing to do with using/adding GHRP-6; as I said adding two Snickers bars pre workout (and usually but not always, especially if it’s an evening workout, a sugar free stimulant drink) was the only change I made. My girlfriend keeps saying I’ve lost fat and I saw a few friends I hadn’t seen for a while over the last week who all commented that I looked bigger and leaner, which can only be a good thing
I’d also just like to say that I believe its a wonderful, wonderful thing that we’ve finally managed to effectively incorporate chocolate bars into out training! Before BBB instructed me to do this I hadn’t eaten a piece of chocolate for over 2 years!
I can attest to the chocolate bars not adding fat. My ABS were cooking along, and my Obliques were really starting to develope well. All the 5 pounds I got in those 12 days went to muscle. It’s awesome.
Now, with the g, when I have eaten in the last couple days I have pigged out. And I am wearing a little more insulation around my abs during the day. All of that is from the way I have eaten, and what I have eaten, within 20 minutes of the dose.
Yesterday afternoon the dose did not give me that overwhelming appetite. I did 100 mcg last night at about 6:30 as well, and did not notice that big appetite. Yesterday was lifting day, today is off.
Last night, I did not sleep that well. Was hoping this would help with sleep more than it has…but may be a little early to tell that.
This morning I did dose when I got up. Backed down to 75 mcg, and no extra appetite. Going to go with 2 doses of 75 mcg on off days, then 2 of 100 on lift days, see how that works.
BBB: Do you think Biotest’s Surge Recovery (not workout fuel) would have similar effect to your chocolate + whey protocol? I have switched to taking it beforehand, and have seen pretty good improvements in body comp, but its hard for me to tell if those are related to the TRT/GHRP/GHRH entirely, or if the pre-workout changes are also contributing!
Damn! I shouldn’t have read this thread today as I’m fasting and it’s making me HUNGRY
Wow. Eating chocolate bars and getting leaner… Now, my biggest change in recent times (thanks to the articles on this site) is focusing on pre/peri workout nutrition for weight training (though not for MMA and cardio).
But I’ve never went with chocolate bars as I thought the high fructose content would be detrimental to avoid unwanted fat gains. I might just try it and see.
SwD,
I can attest. 5 pounds of muscle in 12 days. I didn’t eat anything any different…in fact, I actually QUIT drinking my night time protein shake with milk about half of that time. And NO, that didn’t help me gain weight, I actually woke up more hungry.
I just did my 6:00 dose, and did 75 mcg again just like this morning. I got hungry, controllably hungry. I woofed down a Chicken Thigh I had cooked with Shake and Bake, then I poured out a plate of Tortilla chips and covered it with Chicken salad. Sooooo even at 75 mcg, this stuff affects me enough to make me want to eat a lot. And at 75, it is pretty manageable. I am thinking food constantly right this minute, and it has been 45 min since dose. But I am not overwhelmed by hunger, and not going to stuff my self to a level of discomfort.
At this point, elbow is still doing well, pain from tendonitis hopefully may go away.
And to clarify, I am only taking Mobic about every other day now (NSAID). And am going to stop
taking it. Just to see if this g has a good effect on my elbow. Next week if I can get up the guts
to do it, I am going to stick it in the skin right at my elbow tendonitis. See if putting it in that
area helps
Encouraged by the results so far… I went to 201 yesterday, and was at 198 at about 3 PM today. But today I also ate MUCH smaller portions as I was gorged full the last two days prior. Up till now, that is, Now I am pretty full again!!! But I can’t grow without eating.
Looked in mirror, and I notice a slight rounding of the muscles in my upper body. They look fuller, and from what I have read I believe they will hold more water and therefore look bigger and fuller.
My ABs are still great, if I could keep from piling in so much food, they would look better. But, when I wake up, they are almost back to normal and somewhat tighter again.
Ghrp-6 makes a lot people eat everything in sight. That’s why I went with Ghrp-2 instead. I still blew my diet. Fat gains were minimal in the circumstances but I really couldn’t diet down as planned, and I have pretty good willpower.
Thanks Canada. I don’t mind, I am just getting used to it. And the 75 dose is a lot easier to manage.
I am lucky enough to be able to lose weight fast, so I don’t mind if it shows up for a short while. That and I have been doing 100 Hanging Wipers 5 days a week, so I know my Abs are under there ! I am finding that the food I eat at night ensures I am not empty in the morning. Never had that luck.
If it gets too much, I will eat a snack about 30 min prior to the dose, so I have something in there ahead. Funny thing, this morning stomach was empty and the dose did not make me hungry, any more than usual.
I can only IMAGINE what guys who use 300 at a time go through…WOW, I could throw down a half dozen Big Macs!!!
I gotta throw out Props to Precision Peptides. They’ve been good to me.
Here’s to Ski Doo’s !!! I owned an MX Z for years before I moved down here. Great machines !
[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
I can attest to the chocolate bars not adding fat. My ABS were cooking along, and my Obliques were really starting to develope well. All the 5 pounds I got in those 12 days went to muscle. It’s awesome.
Now, with the g, when I have eaten in the last couple days I have pigged out. And I am wearing a little more insulation around my abs during the day. All of that is from the way I have eaten, and what I have eaten, within 20 minutes of the dose.
Yesterday afternoon the dose did not give me that overwhelming appetite. I did 100 mcg last night at about 6:30 as well, and did not notice that big appetite. Yesterday was lifting day, today is off.
Last night, I did not sleep that well. Was hoping this would help with sleep more than it has…but may be a little early to tell that.
This morning I did dose when I got up. Backed down to 75 mcg, and no extra appetite. Going to go with 2 doses of 75 mcg on off days, then 2 of 100 on lift days, see how that works.
I have used GHRP-6 and didn’t gain any fat from it when I did; I also found that the hunger related side effects gradually wore off, to the degree that I could inject 500Mcg in the morning and just a breakfast shake would be sufficient to keep me feeling full.
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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
BBB: Do you think Biotest’s Surge Recovery (not workout fuel) would have similar effect to your chocolate + whey protocol? I have switched to taking it beforehand, and have seen pretty good improvements in body comp, but its hard for me to tell if those are related to the TRT/GHRP/GHRH entirely, or if the pre-workout changes are also contributing!
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The extra test from TRT blast and cruise plus peptides will of course improve body comp, the extra muscle you’ll hold onto will also burn more resting calories so there will be more ‘room for maneuver’ in your diet. I am also on HRT blast cruise so I can’t attest to this chocolate pre workout working on a ‘natural’.
TBH I’ve never ever used a Biotest supplement in my life so I can’t really comment.
To tell you the truth I’m at the stage (I’ve just read so may articles and so much conflicting information) where I don’t really know nor care HOW it works, I just know that it does! Which is all that matters to be. I suppose experimentation is really the key here, why not try Surge Recovery pre workout? I’d say for a guy your size some caffeine pre workout would help, so maybe a couple of sugary (not sugar free) Red Bulls would do the trick? I’m sure your two choccy bars or two stimulant drinks will also be cheaper than more expensive supplements which may be something to consider if cost is a concern.
Looking forwards to hearing about your progress!
BB