New Study: Weed Is Bad News

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) – Young adults who used marijuana as teens were more likely than those who didnâ??t to develop schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms including hallucinations and delusions, an Australian study found.

Those who used the drug for six or more years were twice as likely to develop a psychosis such as schizophrenia or to have delusional disorders than those who never used marijuana, according to research released online by the Archives of General Psychiatry. They were also four times as likely to score high on a list of psychotic-like experiences.

The findings build on previous research and shows that marijuana use isnâ??t as harmless as some people think, lead study author John McGrath said yesterday in an e-mail. The study was the first to look at sibling pairs to discount genetic or environmental influence and still find marijuana linked to later psychosis, the authors said in the study.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aaEUcOXHDhsg

And no, I don’t do weed. :slight_smile:

LOL! Not the weed and turning schitzo again! This is outdated info perpetuated by some individuals for whatever reason…

I wonder if they did genetic studies on those individuals top see if they had predispositions to those “issues” and followed them through their life to see if there were any environmental triggers that were there for a long long time. Or we can just blame the weed.

Also i find that studies like this are like studies on infidelity. Impossible to have objective and “TRULY” accurate data.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) – Young adults who used marijuana as teens were more likely than those who didnâ??t to develop schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms including hallucinations and delusions, an Australian study found.

Those who used the drug for six or more years were twice as likely to develop a psychosis such as schizophrenia or to have delusional disorders than those who never used marijuana, according to research released online by the Archives of General Psychiatry. They were also four times as likely to score high on a list of psychotic-like experiences.

The findings build on previous research and shows that marijuana use isnâ??t as harmless as some people think, lead study author John McGrath said yesterday in an e-mail. The study was the first to look at sibling pairs to discount genetic or environmental influence and still find marijuana linked to later psychosis, the authors said in the study.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aaEUcOXHDhsg

And no, I don’t do weed. :slight_smile:
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I’ve heard dementia is quite funnnn.

“The nature of the relationship between psychosis and cannabis use is by no means simple. In keeping with previous findings,33 we confirmed that those with early-onset hallucinations were more likely to have longer duration since first cannabis use and to use cannabis more frequently at the 21-year follow-up. This demonstrates the complexity of the relationship: those individuals who were vulnerable to psychosis (ie, those who had isolated psychotic symptoms) were more likely to commence cannabis use, which could then subsequently contribute to an increased risk of conversion to a nonaffective psychotic disorder. In addition, analyses that incorporated adjustments for depressive and anxiety-related disorders led to a reduction in the strength of the association between cannabis use and psychosis-related outcomes. This suggests that depression and/or anxiety disorders may mediate or moderate the pathways between cannabis use and psychosis-related outcomes. We plan to further explore these issues in more detail in future studies.”

Quite interesting, although I wish they had separated it by amount consumed and total length of time since first use. Because frequency of smoking could change, and did over time, the text noted. Is it the early starting age that causes this, the total length of time during brain development, the frequency at different ages, some complex coordination between these factors?

Also, it would be interesting to note if the effects are reversible. I’ve wondered about marijuana’s link with certain forms of psychosis because of its effect on dopamine levels, long term neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain, especially at a young age when the brain is still developing could affect long-term dopamine production. But did their brain start actually producing permanently less, or are the dopamine receptors just desensitized?

At any rate, all this really tells is is common sense, if you abuse drugs often and at a young age, you will change your body, mostly negatively. Interesting article, especially to me as I regularly partake of the ganja.

Not to mention that the occurence of psychosis in the general population can be about 2 to 7% of the population. Some sources can list it as high as 17% for both schitzo and psychosis.

Then you can look to the fact that disadvantaged people with difficult lives in their youth always turn to drugs or other activities. They are troubled people. Adding drugs usually as a form of escapism to that mix will over time result in mental instabilities. Was it the weed? Doubt it.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
LOL! Not the weed and turning schitzo again! This is outdated info perpetuated by some individuals for whatever reason…

I wonder if they did genetic studies on those individuals top see if they had predispositions to those “issues” and followed them through their life to see if there were any environmental triggers that were there for a long long time. Or we can just blame the weed.

Also i find that studies like this are like studies on infidelity. Impossible to have objective and “TRULY” accurate data. [/quote]

Did you read it? There’s a link to the full text for free, they used sibling-pairs. Not exactly twin-pairs…but almost. Oh well, twin-pairs would’ve been more valid.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
Not to mention that the occurence of psychosis in the general population can be about 2 to 7% of the population. Some sources can list it as high as 17% for both schitzo and psychosis.

Then you can look to the fact that disadvantaged people with difficult lives in their youth always turn to drugs or other activities. They are troubled people. Adding drugs usually as a form of escapism to that mix will over time result in mental instabilities. Was it the weed? Doubt it. [/quote]

It’s not too hard to imagine that it can contribute, I’m with you that correlation does not imply causation, but as a ganja toker I don’t think it’s some perfect wonder-substance with no psychological or biological repercussions from extended and frequent use.

People prone to certain forms of mental illness might be more prone to chose drugs. There arevarious receptors in your brain where the active ingredient of a drug will compete with your bodies own natural chemicals.

If you do PET scans of brains you will see different levels of electrical activity which correspond to various mental illnesses . This can explain why some people are mroe prone to addictions of various substances.

For example, I tried weed three times in my life. It makes me angry and ready to fight. large amounts of alcohol don’t do this. Just weed.

Let me guess, you’ll post this shit, let the discussion lead to legality, safety, morality, and comparisons of pot to other drugs, let there be name calling, and Snoop Dogg references, and the whole thread will turn into a clusterfuck… and you’ll just be sitting silently behind your computer screen beating off to all of it?

Bad science.

Really, really bad science.

Do. Not. Feed.

Hmm I know this is off topic but I was wondering if there’s any benefit to smoking weed from a BB perspective.

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Hmm I know this is off topic but I was wondering if there’s any benefit to smoking weed from a BB perspective.[/quote]

Smoking after a heavy squat session and eating a large quantity of mexican food is benefit enough for me.

Coke is ok though right?

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Hmm I know this is off topic but I was wondering if there’s any benefit to smoking weed from a BB perspective.[/quote]

Smoking after a heavy squat session and eating a large quantity of mexican food is benefit enough for me.[/quote]

agreed

just some personal experience. i have insomnia at times and i have tried mellatonin but it never worked for me. i never smoked weed untill my good fiend who has med mj and uses it to fall asleep. long story short i tried it and i fall asleep within 20 minutes and a plus. i for some reason crave cottage cheese. which is awesome to eat before bed. so win win. as far as long term side effects, who knows. probably just as harmfull as any other pill a dr. would prescribe for my insomnia.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Bad science.

Really, really bad science.

Do. Not. Feed.[/quote]

R2D2 knows the difference between good science and bad. Do you?

Why don’t u 'splain it to uz?

[quote]mikedefran wrote:
just some personal experience. i have insomnia at times and i have tried mellatonin but it never worked for me. i never smoked weed untill my good fiend who has med mj and uses it to fall asleep. long story short i tried it and i fall asleep within 20 minutes and a plus. i for some reason crave cottage cheese. which is awesome to eat before bed. so win win. as far as long term side effects, who knows. probably just as harmfull as any other pill a dr. would prescribe for my insomnia. [/quote]

I’d like for government scientists to work to find something like Soma in Brave New World; next to harmless and an incredible buzz.

I suppose the elite in this country, along with the CIA, are making too much $$$$$ with the current stuff for that to happen anytime soon.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Hmm I know this is off topic but I was wondering if there’s any benefit to smoking weed from a BB perspective.[/quote]

Smoking after a heavy squat session and eating a large quantity of mexican food is benefit enough for me.[/quote]

x2 on that but I meant more like does THC have any effect on one’s muscles directly.