New Raw Bench Record

Training Powerlifting
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raw lifting is not as popular because records haven’t been broken for a while. perhaps now we will see that happening.

records have been broken in shirt presses not because lifters are getting stronger but because lifters are learning how to use their shirts better and the shirts are even getting better.

im sure that if mendy had rychlak’s shirted technique he’d be fighting with 1100-1200 pounds shirted; likewise, im sure that if rychlak had mendy’s strength he’d be fighting with 1100-1200 pounds shirted as well.

also, i think that if you can get a raw bench off your sticking point a few inches from your chest you’ll finish the lift. not so with shirt presses. the sticking point is at lockout.

two entirely different lifts.

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Ok I know I’ll probably get flamed by powerlifting guys but hey. Is that not about twice as impressive as Rychlaks lift? I know it was a ‘g’ but some on, this had double the ROM and he wasn’t using Hydraulics to lift for him. Why did powerlifting go the way of the super shirts? Why didn’t they keep it raw? Was it because they just wanted those records to be higher? It has become a totally different lift, but is it for the better? I say no but what do you powerlifting guys think? I know you don’t mind shirts because they are just part of it but what if they weren’t? Would the sport be worse? I think it would be better.

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“maybe all of you should re read my post. obviously he is strong. lol 715 come on that is some amazing low end strength.”

Low end strength? A more cunty phrase has never been spoken.

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I think that lifts that were assisted by gear are fake lifts. If your muscle isn’t lifting it, then you shouldnt get props for it. Maybe the 1005lbs lift should be credited to whatever company Gene’s 500lbs of gear came from. That guy was seriously wearing a beanie, sun glasses, wrist support, elbow support, boobie support, a belt, probably knee raps, boots, and god knows what else. Anyone who thinks a 700lbs raw bench isn’t impressive should suck a brick.

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I don’t want to go into this but gear lifts and raw lifts require different kinds of strength. i don’t bench raw at all anymore because I consider it to be too dangerous. The reason a bench shirt was invented was to prevent injury so obviously it does require a ton of strength and balls to bench that much with almost zero protection as the risks are very high.

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Just curious, but it is often stated that the bench shirt was invented for protection of the shoulders–if that is the case, how come nearly all modern bench shirts have absolutely no material in the shoulder region-they did at one time. The modern bench shirt looks sort of like the kind of floaties you put on your child in the pool. I respect strength of all type, but clearly the shirt was designed to increase poundage-not for protection.

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How does a bench shirt prevent injury? As a student in the medical field, all I can say is that it acts as an artificial rotator cuff. However, beyond a certain strength, the shirt will not yield any additional protection. The shirts have long left the realm of ‘protection’.

beef

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Keith, believe me man they save your shoulders from a beating. I feel a lot of pain in my shoulders even when I am just warming up raw. But with a shirt on it really re distributes the stress off of your joints. I can’t explain it to someone who has never used gear, as most “bodybuilders” or fitness guys on this thread have not, don’t knock it unless you have tried it. It’s not the be all end all of benching. It is more like an ergogenic aid and means of protection. I’m not going to try to explain this anymore as people will jump down my throat. I’m out.

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[quote]ConorM wrote:
Ok I know I’ll probably get flamed by powerlifting guys but hey. Is that not about twice as impressive as Rychlaks lift? I know it was a ‘g’ but some on, this had double the ROM and he wasn’t using Hydraulics to lift for him. Why did powerlifting go the way of the super shirts? Why didn’t they keep it raw? Was it because they just wanted those records to be higher? It has become a totally different lift, but is it for the better? I say no but what do you powerlifting guys think? I know you don’t mind shirts because they are just part of it but what if they weren’t? Would the sport be worse? I think it would be better.[/quote]

haha, you guys just keep coming out of the woodwork, don’t you? Why do you post on a strength sports forum if you have no clue about the strength sport you’re commenting on. It’s always the same tired comments from you guys that don’t understand anything. I kinda think the mods should limit this kind of blatant trolling.

But on to your propaganda:

That’s a complete matter of opinion. Considering that Mendy CAN’T bench what Rychlak (or several other bench only guys) can in a shirt, I don’t know how one could make an honest comparison between the two. If it’s so impressive, why can’t Mendy do what is so unimpressive? Mendy really cares about benching 1000 in a shirt, but he still hasn’t broken 900. That should tell you something. Does it mean that Rychlak is necessarily a better bencher? No. But learn to have some respect.

Sorry, but arching, putting on a lot of weight and wearing a shirt are part of benching. Nevermind the fact that you are completely avoiding facts and using hyperbole to get across and illegitimate point.

Honestly, it’s a pandora’s box issue. Shirts STARTED as support for safety purposes, but lifters and equipment companies realized that shirts could aid in the bench, and things snowballed from there.

Think about what the hell you just said and remember that Mendy broke the raw record this weekend. Wait, there are raw records? Yeah, so while separate records have been created, raw records are still tracked in many feds, so to answer your question, the intuitively obvious answer is no.

Hmm…with 90% of the powerlifting world using gear, what do you think powerlifters think?

Also, Rychlak never said, “me benching 1005 in a shirt is better than Mendy going 715 raw.” I only see raw whiners making that comparison, not shirted lifters. Maybe that’s because shirted lifters know the difference and won’t spout off on something they have no clue about.

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[quote]GriffinC wrote:
I think that lifts that were assisted by gear are fake lifts. If your muscle isn’t lifting it, then you shouldnt get props for it. Maybe the 1005lbs lift should be credited to whatever company Gene’s 500lbs of gear came from. That guy was seriously wearing a beanie, sun glasses, wrist support, elbow support, boobie support, a belt, probably knee raps, boots, and god knows what else. Anyone who thinks a 700lbs raw bench isn’t impressive should suck a brick.[/quote]

haha, I swear there’s just one angry raw, I mean RAW DAWG sitting at his computer in his mom’s basement that just waits for threads to post on about how evil geared benching is.

Plain and simple, you’re retarded. I assure you that benching in a shirt is not smoke and mirrors. It is more technically and physically demanding than benching raw, and less boring. I have a shirt that I’ve benched 495 in. You are welcome any day of the week to come to our gym, put the shirt on, blow up 495 and tell me that you didn’t do any work. We also have a shirt a guy has benched 760 in, and you can repeat that effort as well, since it’s just fake anyway.

…and he benched more than your sissy ass can total, let alone ever imagine moving in any way, shape, or form. You also listed items that he was not wearing, especially after the “probably”. At worst, his bench shirt was a little pimped and coming close to sitting low on his shoulders. But I guarantee you no other mother fucker in powerlifting could put on a similar shirt in a similar manner and bench 1005.

Remember that the people that actively pursue this sport respect many of the 900 and 1000+ benches. If they thought it was a joke, don’t you think they wouldn’t be taking it seriously?

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Hahahahahaha!!! ConorM just became Rick James’ bitch.

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Word.

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[quote]Massif wrote:
Hahahahahaha!!! ConorM just became Rick James’ bitch.

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I think he bent the Grifster over farther.

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[quote]RickJames wrote:
GriffinC wrote:
I think that lifts that were assisted by gear are fake lifts. If your muscle isn’t lifting it, then you shouldnt get props for it. Maybe the 1005lbs lift should be credited to whatever company Gene’s 500lbs of gear came from. That guy was seriously wearing a beanie, sun glasses, wrist support, elbow support, boobie support, a belt, probably knee raps, boots, and god knows what else. Anyone who thinks a 700lbs raw bench isn’t impressive should suck a brick.

haha, I swear there’s just one angry raw, I mean RAW DAWG sitting at his computer in his mom’s basement that just waits for threads to post on about how evil geared benching is.

I think that lifts that were assisted by gear are fake lifts. If your muscle isn’t lifting it, then you shouldnt get props for it. Maybe the 1005lbs lift should be credited to whatever company Gene’s 500lbs of gear came from.

Plain and simple, you’re retarded. I assure you that benching in a shirt is not smoke and mirrors. It is more technically and physically demanding than benching raw, and less boring. I have a shirt that I’ve benched 495 in. You are welcome any day of the week to come to our gym, put the shirt on, blow up 495 and tell me that you didn’t do any work. We also have a shirt a guy has benched 760 in, and you can repeat that effort as well, since it’s just fake anyway.

That guy was seriously wearing a beanie, sun glasses, wrist support, elbow support, boobie support, a belt, probably knee raps, boots, and god knows what else.

…and he benched more than your sissy ass can total, let alone ever imagine moving in any way, shape, or form. You also listed items that he was not wearing, especially after the “probably”. At worst, his bench shirt was a little pimped and coming close to sitting low on his shoulders. But I guarantee you no other mother fucker in powerlifting could put on a similar shirt in a similar manner and bench 1005.

Remember that the people that actively pursue this sport respect many of the 900 and 1000+ benches. If they thought it was a joke, don’t you think they wouldn’t be taking it seriously?

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Whoa whoa whoa man calm down. I’m not reading ANY of that. Due to the mear fact that you triple quoted me. Learn to use the quote function, and I will hear you out, dumbass. Wait a minut, no I wont, your name is “RickJames”. After looking down it I see you threw pleanty of numbers in their aswell, obviously your angry/jelous of an 18 year old so you’re throwing out bs numbers trying to scare me or something. You honestly mean to tell me that you can bench one of those large numbers up there but you can’t wrap quote tags around something properly? Nice try though buddy, learn to use the quote and I might read it next time.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Massif wrote:
Hahahahahaha!!! ConorM just became Rick James’ bitch.

I think he bent the Grifster over farther.
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He’s just another fat lifter in a bench bra who hates on the thin guys. If you ignore him he will just eventually burry himself in bench bras and beanie hats and die, hopefully.

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No I didn’t.

You avoided my main question. You have stated 95% of powerlifters use shirts, but is that because they are now an integral part of powerlifting and they couldn’t compete without them, or is it because they think it makes the bench press more interesting as a sport? Everyone agrees that shirted and raw bench press is essentially two entirely different lifts but is the shirted version a better one? Its not just about strength and technique, it also becomes about how much you can get out of your shirt. I just think that takes away from it somewhat. Obviously most people disagree.

I am NOT trying to say Rychlaks lift isn’t impressive, no way, its world record and world records are impressive no matter what the discipline, he lifted a g ffs. But in terms of what is the more legitimate indicator of raw strength then is the raw bench press not better? Because for me this is what powerlifting is all about. Not just breaking records or winning meets, its a demonstartion of raw strength and the modern shirts distort it a little. That is all. I knew I’d get flamed for daring to disagree about something.

Can you not just reply to me in a civilised and intelligent manner, instead of trying to turn it into some sort of horrible flame fest. You only take away from your arguments and come across as a total know-it-all who has no respect for those who disagree with him.

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It’s been a while since I competed, and I’m getting ready to compete again in about 3-4 months.

Knowing that I need to get a shirt and start practicing, I feel like I might not be fully ready in 3 months since I havn’t worn a shirt in over 5 years (had a comp. 3 yrs ago in the Navy where we couldn’t wear anything).

My personal problem area has always been my lock-out, where my best friend (who’s also competitive) has the most trouble off his chest. The shirt is going to help both of us because I’m going to get more monentum in the beggining which will help me fully lock out.

I know that I need more work on my tris and that I need to practice with a shirt. It would be foolish for me to go into a competition and not use what everyone else is allowed to use. If I want to go for my own personal pride, I can raw bench on my own or in a strictly raw competition.

It’s all about knowing what meet you’re preparing for and training smart to be the best at it.

Any world record lift is impressive. It’s all a matter of opinion on which is more impressive. Some people find a natural record to be more impressive, some find a light weight record (lb for lb) to be more impressive, but the fact is, the majority of people who pay to watch these competitions want to see the most weight that can come off of a person’s chest or back or the most weight that can be lifted off the floor.

That’s why it’s harder to find natural competitions. The guys running the competition don’t make as much money off them because there’s not as much demand for them.

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[quote]GriffinC wrote:
You honestly mean to tell me that you can bench one of those large numbers up there but you can’t wrap quote tags around something properly? Nice try though buddy, learn to use the quote and I might read it next time.[/quote]

Okay, so if someone makes a typing error on a forum, there’s no way they can push heavy weight off their chest!?!?

You make absolutly no sence whatsoever. You might want to correct me on my spelling of whatsoever, or anything else you find in my post, then tell me that I can’t possibly know how to squat properly.

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[quote]GriffinC wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa man calm down. I’m not reading ANY of that. Due to the mear fact that you triple quoted me. Learn to use the quote function, and I will hear you out, dumbass.[/quote]

You’re calling me a dumbass? I quoted your whole text to give a response to it as a whole, and then picked it off piece by piece. What is so hard to understand about that? I was trying to make it easy for the simple-minded.

You missed the entire fucking point, moron. Note that the others agreed with me. I was not trying to “scare” you, just showing how ludicrous you were being. If you were scared, then I apologize.

Also, learn to fucking type if you’re going to make fun of other people’s intelligence.

I said I could bench one of those “numbers”. Learn to fucking read. Tell me which number I said that I could bench and I’ll send you a cookie.

No one else had a problem with the way I presented your text and that of the person after you. Again, in case you missed it due to a complete lack of reading comprehension, I had a response to your post as a whole, and then I tried to make it easy for you when I responded to your individual points by quoting them and then responding to them. If you can’t figure that out, you are fucking stupid.

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[quote]GriffinC wrote:
He’s just another fat lifter in a bench bra who hates on the thin guys. If you ignore him he will just eventually burry himself in bench bras and beanie hats and die, hopefully.[/quote]

Obviously you don’t read shit on this forum. I have recently posted that I am concentrating on my raw bench. You know shit about me, and had a difficult job of picking up relevant facts about me from my post above (like what I’ve benched in a shirt), so don’t dodge the fact that I completely owned you by making far-fetched assumptions.