There are some things that money won’t buy. Healing is one of them. TRT doesn’t heal you. Again, it only provides the right tools. Your body heals itself.
Think about it like this. What happens if you break your arm? Does the doctor heal the bone, or does he simply give your body what it needs to allow it to heal itself? He just re aligns it for you, throws a cast on to keep it aligned, and maybe gives you some medicine to help with the pain in the meantime.
Same thing here brother. Your body needs to heal, but it can’t if all it has is proper hormone levels to work with. It needs the proper nutrients and physical stimulation to complete the job.
I just messing around right now. For six+ years, 200mg once a week. I took 50mg every 60 hours earlier this year for three months. Can’t say I felt any different. Right now, I’m three weeks with 80mg every 3 1/2 days. I’ll probably do this for a couple, maybe three months and then go back to once a week.
So let me see if I got this rite you now take your HCG only on the days you inject Testosterone where as before you were injecting it MWF?
Yes.
Can you explain to me what a dose-response experiment is?
See graph in prior post. I injected increasing amounts of T-cyp beginning at about 67mg/week and increased the dose roughly 20 mg about every 6 weeks up to about 245mg/week. Prior to each of the dose increases I did a set of labs to understand (among other things) my Free T level (the response to the dose). I plotted the dose against the response and used regression analysis to fit a straight line to the data. I got a very high correlation coefficient (89%). Using the best fit regression line, I was able to figure out my optimum dose based on my pre-established goals, which was to get me at least in the upper 33 percentile of a 21-49 year old man and not to exceed the upper 100th percentile of a 20-29 year old man.
How hard was it for you to get him to switch you from climid to HCG?
You need to understand this was many years ago (2014?) and Dr. G was just beginning to investigate the use of clomid as a replacement for HCG after a recent price increase from the compound pharmacy he was using. I reluctantly tried it, but after a month or so told him I didn’t like it and would pay the higher price for the HCG. That was the end of any discussion I had with him on the subject. It wasn’t long after that that my PCP took over medication management of my protocol.
Have you every tried daily injections?
Yes, on a couple occasions. I tried daily subcutaneous injections but did not like them because i would always bruise, so i gave up on the injection method. I also did it at the very highest dose of my dose-response experiment to avoid big spikes in T. The next 4 doses down were E2D, and the lower 4 doses were E3D.
So I a have a question what does your Free T stand at now? I think based off the chart it looks like you stand at 26pg.
Yes, that is correct. I’ve standardized my dose at 125mg T-cyp in an E3D protocol. That keeps my Free T around 27 pg/mL, which is as high as I need to go and the upper limit of what i consider a “physiological” level.
I do not start to feel good until im at least 30.
We are all different in how we respond to TRT, which is why I don’t believe in a rigid one-size-fits-all protocol. I, for example, have very high SHBG levels and that has to have some impact on how I respond to TRT. I think more docs should adopt the dose-response approach and customize the dose to the patient. In your case, you may need to go to a higher Free T level.
I have another question when you want to manipulate where your Free T stands at which med do you change the testosterone or the HCG.
I hold HCG constant at 1050 IU per week in an E3D protocol. The other graph I posted provides my rationale for choosing that dose. I held it constant throughout the entire dose-response experiment.
Also how do you know when you need to change your HCG dosage instead of your testosterone dosage?
I don’t change it. It’s a constant. If for some reason I need to adjust my Free T, I would do it by adjusting the T-cyp dose, but I don’t anticipate any further adjustments in the near future.
I think he is sensitive to not wanting to be labeled as an AAS pusher. He has a definite philosophy for TRT dosing. It got me started on the right track, but I think I understand my body better than he does.
what do you do about this when it happens. I feel like during this time is the worse time to have sex because I feel like its a sign that im not going to get good errections
this is very true I am about 5’10 31yrs old and 160lb and I eat like crap and do not workout at all but it is hard for me to find the motivation to because I just feel like y desire to succeed has decreased a significant amount. And I will be honest I have this insecurity about my sex life now because of all of this. Like I have a great job and if I workout I will have a better in shape body but still when it comes to sex I will still lack in that department because of this stupid health issue and sometimes the thought of that discourages me I guess
I don’t solicit patients on a public forum. You could check the World Link Medical website for someone close to you. There are over 700 providers listed.
You would be AMAZED at how much differently you would perceive this situation if you we’re happy with what you looked at in the mirror every morning. 90% of all sexual performance issues are related to self image… In other words, in your mind. Why do you think guys still struggle with this after hormones have been addressed and levels are good? Because they have a stigma concerning failure in the bed that they just can’t get over.
Turn your body and diet around man. I guarantee you that will see things differently in 6 months.
where did you learn about the dose response approach. I feel like so many people have knowledge about these meds and I my self am in the medical field and I have no clue where everyone is getting this information from. Can you tell me where I can learn more bout the dose response approach and also where I can gain more knowledge about TRT?
I looked at the other graph that you posted but I don’t think In still do not get quite the idea of why you held the HCG constants at that particular dosage and how you came to that particular dosage to begin with. The bottom line is I wold like to help my self as much as you guys are helping your selves but I need to learn more about TRT so I am just not injecting my body with any dosage with out a plan.
This is exactly the stage where I want to be at a constant protocol that stays the same but I believe what you or another person posted and that is no doctor is going to know my body better then me. So I think I need to be more active on this forum
This is very true but I do believe my issues are physical instead of mental. But starting next week I lam going to Strat going to the gym and fixing my Diest because depots that fact that I think my issues are physical like you said changing my diet and start working out will probably help contribute to me feeling better
I understand why your doc wants you on TRT and clomid, he/she wants to keep your HPTA functioning while on TRT and it’s a responsible thought process, it just doesn’t work out very well.
This protocol tells me your doc isn’t very experienced in TRT and doesn’t prescribe it often. I don’t expect the TRT/clomid combo to actually produce good results, in fact I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone who did well on the TRT/clomid protocol.