Hi, I was writing up some stuff for my friends and students on different ways people can fight not based on art (BJJ, Boxing,Thai Boxing) but on the way they use it and one style that I have been training myself in goes against a lot of MMA ideas (as far as I know), a large part of traditional MMA Training is endurance (as far as I know), the ability to outlast your opponent has been emphasized and it does work.
But, the way I have been training myself in for the last 6 months or so has been working well for me. It turns the emphasis around to all out speed and power training to make myself, although not last affectively over about 1-2 minutes I am striking very hard and very fast and so far its been a bit of a shock to the system for my opponents, although some fighters do rush there opponents I have only found them to be large (a nice word for fat) boxing based fighters leaning into there punches, I am a striking based fighter with good flexibility so a bit different to these guys.
I was wondering what the MMA masses have to say about this and if they know any fighters I should look at who do practice this sort of type of fighting as I don’t spend much time looking at Pride or UFC as I am a very busy most of the time either training, working or teaching.
This is very badly put together but I think you get the idea, I am open to criticism but don’t make it sound like you flaming me because I will probably skip you post if I think your being a asshole.
[quote]Vatic wrote:
Hi, I was writing up some stuff for my friends and students on different ways people can fight not based on art (BJJ, Boxing,Thai Boxing) but on the way they use it
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I am not sure what you mean here, could you clarify?
Of course it does.
Yep. That’s pretty standard. Joe Lauzon (I believe, could be Cole miller. Those guys are like dopplegangers.) uses this style. He also has endurance though. By the way, what organization do you compete in?
I have seen lots of amateur MMA fighters do this. That’s not a dig, it’s a common strategy in Amateur MMA. The problem is that eventually you will run into someone with both power, speed and endurance or someone with endurance who can weather your storm and pick you apart when you gas.
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I was wondering what the MMA masses have to say about this and if they know any fighters I should look at who do practice this sort of type of fighting as I don’t spend much time looking at Pride or UFC as I am a very busy most of the time either training, working or teaching.
This is very badly put together but I think you get the idea, I am open to criticism but don’t make it sound like you flaming me because I will probably skip you post if I think your being a asshole.
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Ultimately, why choose? You can have both explosive power and endurance at the same time.
[quote]Vatic wrote:
This is very badly put together but I think you get the idea, I am open to criticism but don’t make it sound like you flaming me because I will probably skip you post if I think your being a asshole.
Thanks[/quote]
It is very badly put together and I do not get the idea. I’m not flaming or being an asshole, but try and come back with something that is coherent.
Going crazy will not only exhaust you within the first seconds, but you will also be very vulnerable. You’ll get countered easily.
This kind of strategy can work in amateur muay thai tournaments, as the rounds are only 2 minute long. But in a mma fight, it’s really pointless, rounds are 5 minutes long, and groundwork makes it impossible.
I will try to make it abit more cohearent. Basic idea of most MMA fighters training bases in alot of Endurance. What I have been doing is excluding it and doing more Burst training then others making my strikes faster and harder.
I dont think its new I just want to understand it more.
Thanx for the names I will check them out.
I dont like Mauy Thai I find it to easy to predict.
I Just train and spar with a bunch of guys of different styles so I dont compete officialy but there are about 20 or so of us.
I train in alot of Ground Grappling and I find that it is working better now.
Honestly, I don’t get it. If that was anything near being an effective strategy, don’t you think there’d be some top pro fighters out there fighting that way? They don’t because anyone who knows how to cover up would destroy them after they gassed out half way through the first round.
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
Honestly, I don’t get it. If that was anything near being an effective strategy, don’t you think there’d be some top pro fighters out there fighting that way?[/quote]
yes I want to know who they are.
I should have clarifide that I think Mauy Thai is too predictable in certain situations. Clinch for instance, They will push you head down, throw you body around abit and knee you, you just have to wait for the knee push it to there inside grab under it and slam them into the mat and go to ground. Sorry if I offended any Muay Thai Fighters.
[quote]Vatic wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
Honestly, I don’t get it. If that was anything near being an effective strategy, don’t you think there’d be some top pro fighters out there fighting that way?
yes I want to know who they are.
I should have clarifide that I think Mauy Thai is too predictable in certain situations. Clinch for instance, They will push you head down, throw you body around abit and knee you, you just have to wait for the knee push it to there inside grab under it and slam them into the mat and go to ground. Sorry if I offended any Muay Thai Fighters.[/quote]
I’ve got Rich Franklin’s cell phone number. I’ll PM it to you and maybe you can corner him for the upcoming bout against Silva because he had some serious trouble with the predictable clinch.
[quote]Vatic wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
Honestly, I don’t get it. If that was anything near being an effective strategy, don’t you think there’d be some top pro fighters out there fighting that way?
yes I want to know who they are.
I should have clarifide that I think Mauy Thai is too predictable in certain situations. Clinch for instance, They will push you head down, throw you body around abit and knee you, you just have to wait for the knee push it to there inside grab under it and slam them into the mat and go to ground. Sorry if I offended any Muay Thai Fighters.[/quote]
Yeah, boxing is so predictable. All they will do is throw punches at you.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
I’ve got Rich Franklin’s cell phone number. I’ll PM it to you and maybe you can corner him for the upcoming bout against Silva because he had some serious trouble with the predictable clinch.[/quote]
While I agree that the original post is in need of some rewriting, I think the guy was asking for training advice, not advice on his fighting style.
MMA in an anaerobic sport. So you are right. Doing ‘endurance work’ may not be the best idea. Doing high intensity interval training and work capacity training would give you a definite advantage over the guys who just jog on a treadmill a couple times a week and call it good.
There are lots of resources on the internet, or a good book that would be helpful is The Conditioning Handbook: Getting in Top Shape. by Brian Jones. This book has enough good information for you to put together a decent sport-specific conditioning program for yourself.
A word of warning. It takes some serious balls to train like this.
Thats no fighting style thats how about 90% of amatures fight.if you want to see people who train like that watch any kotc event.Then look at all the successful fighters that made it out of those events and see why they are successful.If you were to use that style it would be fairly close to the monson vs sliva fight monson had alot of energy to burn and kept trying but in the end the fighter with the better game plan won that fight and its wasnt because of his talent monson is an animal he just had a bad plan…