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[quote]as wrote:

[quote]absolute3 wrote:
The Lat pulldown using the arm straps around the upper arms (as seen in MD’s video coverage of the project) has drastically increased my ability to activate my lats. You really don’t have the option to pull with the arms. The first time I implemented it my poundage went up 40lb and I was still using a full range of motion. Such an obvious exercise once you see it.

Thanks to Coach Thib for developing all these awesome new methods and releasing them for free. I’m very eager for what’s in store. [/quote]

Absolute, can you post a link so I can see what these straps look like and how exactly they’re used? I was thinking of using something like this since I recently got a slight tear in my brachioradialis. I have an idea but I like to get a visual. Thanks.[/quote]

http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/contests/2010-detroit-pro/3409-daryl-gee-one-week-out-from-the-2010-ifbb-detroit-pro-202-part-one.html

Jump to 3:31 in that video.

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[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:

[quote]believer423 wrote:
I’m having trouble putting together a training program based on these videos/methods. Since you’ve had such good luck with yours, would you mind taking the time to post up your typical cycle? I would much appreciate it. It would be interesting in seeing how one’s program varies from anothers…Thank you[/quote]

the circuit pressing workout is like the one in the video in a way. i do:

strength circuit (3 compound exercises 4-6 rounds)
isolation circuit (2 shoulder and two tricep exercises 3-5 rounds)
max rep circuit (with two exercises from the strength circuit and two from the iso circuit)
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I just wanted to ask, with the circuit does it go from strength circuit to isolation and then you end off with the max rep? So you do all three? Sorry if this is a stupid question by the way I just wanted to clarify :slight_smile:

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[quote]Diluted56 wrote:

[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:

[quote]believer423 wrote:
I’m having trouble putting together a training program based on these videos/methods. Since you’ve had such good luck with yours, would you mind taking the time to post up your typical cycle? I would much appreciate it. It would be interesting in seeing how one’s program varies from anothers…Thank you[/quote]

the circuit pressing workout is like the one in the video in a way. i do:

strength circuit (3 compound exercises 4-6 rounds)
isolation circuit (2 shoulder and two tricep exercises 3-5 rounds)
max rep circuit (with two exercises from the strength circuit and two from the iso circuit)
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I just wanted to ask, with the circuit does it go from strength circuit to isolation and then you end off with the max rep? So you do all three? Sorry if this is a stupid question by the way I just wanted to clarify :)[/quote]

yeah i do all the rounds of the strength circuit, then all the isolation, then one max rep. This is all in the same workout.

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I’m still trying to figure out all of this concentrated spec loading stuff. But i’m thinking I’ll specialize first in pressing for 2 weeks. Then pulling for two weeks, and then legs for two weeks. But this is what i’m thinking for the first spec phase

Day 1: AM: Full Body Neural Charge w/ upper body focus
PM: Ramping: Seated Military BB, Incline Press BB, Flat Bench then Max rep Face pulls, Lateral raise,
Flies

Day 2: AM: Upper Body Neural Charge
PM: Ramping Isolation + sled work

Day 3: AM: Ramping: Seated DB military, db incline press, db bench. Max rep: High pull, Lateral Raise, Flies
PM: Isolation Circuits + Sled Work

Day 4: Full body Neural Charge: Plyo pushups, Snatch, clap pull ups, box jumps

Day 5: Lower Body Ramping: Front squat, High bar squat, Low bar squat, Calves

Day 6: Back Ramping: Bent over rows, rack deads, Pull ups

Day 7: Off

Day 8-14: Repeat Week 1

I would then do probably 3-4 days of full body neural charge workouts, before continuing on to my back spec.

Let me know what you guys think. Really hoping CT can chime in on this one.

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[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:

[quote]believer423 wrote:

[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:
to give a better idea of some specifics in my training, here is an example of one of my general pressing workouts that i had posted in another forum.

push press throws- 3-5 sets of 3-5
military press- ramping sets of 3-5
incline press- ramping sets of 3-5
bench press- ramping sets of 3-5
decline nosebreakers- 3-4 sets of 6-8

max reps circuit- military press with 70% of weight reached/ incline press with 70% of weight reached/ lateral raises/nosebreakers with 80% of weight reached/ pushups on bench

perform circuit ONCE. i say once because i think it would be overkill to do it twice after the added exercises to the cicuit and the isolation exercise.

this is just an example of one type of workout that i did, i do other variations (either to work more on delts, or no isolation work and focus on traps/rhomboids/delts, no max rep circuit, etc.) i mainly go by how i am feeling that day, as no two days for me i ever feel the same. also, i am focusing my workout sometimes to further bring up my delts and tri’s, so not everyone would probably need isolation work added, especially if you do enough heavy general pressing. i just personally have imbalances i am working with.[/quote]

Thanks for the specifics…you mention another thread. Could you provide a link? I’m intrigued. Hope it’s not too much trouble. [/quote]

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_thibaudeau/thibs_new_training_questions_3?id=3605318&pageNo=42

if that link doesnt work, its Thibs new training questions #3 thread. page 43, middle of the page. no trouble at all, glad i could help.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, Dayne.

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[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out all of this concentrated spec loading stuff. But i’m thinking I’ll specialize first in pressing for 2 weeks. Then pulling for two weeks, and then legs for two weeks. But this is what i’m thinking for the first spec phase

Day 1: AM: Full Body Neural Charge w/ upper body focus
PM: Ramping: Seated Military BB, Incline Press BB, Flat Bench then Max rep Face pulls, Lateral raise,
Flies

Day 2: AM: Upper Body Neural Charge
PM: Ramping Isolation + sled work

Day 3: AM: Ramping: Seated DB military, db incline press, db bench. Max rep: High pull, Lateral Raise, Flies
PM: Isolation Circuits + Sled Work

Day 4: Full body Neural Charge: Plyo pushups, Snatch, clap pull ups, box jumps

Day 5: Lower Body Ramping: Front squat, High bar squat, Low bar squat, Calves

Day 6: Back Ramping: Bent over rows, rack deads, Pull ups

Day 7: Off

Day 8-14: Repeat Week 1

I would then do probably 3-4 days of full body neural charge workouts, before continuing on to my back spec.

Let me know what you guys think. Really hoping CT can chime in on this one.

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I think it looks good for the most part. If your goal is strength, then having the neural charges in the morning is fine. However, if you’re going after size, then you should do the heavy lifting in the morning with eccentric-less work and isolation circuits in the evening. When moving to back, I don’t think have so many neural charge workouts would be necessary as the volume would be changing to back from chest; however, you should go based on how your body feels. Here is what I did last week for a concentrated loading spec for push with only one workout a day:

Day 1: (Heavy Compounds)
Top Half Seated BB Press → Seated BB Press → Incline BB Bench Press → BB Bench Press → Top Half BB Bench Press

Day 2: (Circuits)
Strength Circuit: Incline BB Press → Seated DB Press → DB Bench Press (done 4 times)
Isolation Circuit: Incline DB Fly → Incline Lateral Raise → Cable Fly → Standing Lateral Raise (done twice)
Max Rep Circuit: don’t remember which exercises, but it was done once

Day 3: (Heavy + Circuits)
Push Press → Hammer Strength Incline Press → BB Bench Press
Max Rep Circuits: done twice

Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Off (traveling)
Day 6: Back
Day 7: Off (traveling again)

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[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:

[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out all of this concentrated spec loading stuff. But i’m thinking I’ll specialize first in pressing for 2 weeks. Then pulling for two weeks, and then legs for two weeks. But this is what i’m thinking for the first spec phase

Day 1: AM: Full Body Neural Charge w/ upper body focus
PM: Ramping: Seated Military BB, Incline Press BB, Flat Bench then Max rep Face pulls, Lateral raise,
Flies

Day 2: AM: Upper Body Neural Charge
PM: Ramping Isolation + sled work

Day 3: AM: Ramping: Seated DB military, db incline press, db bench. Max rep: High pull, Lateral Raise, Flies
PM: Isolation Circuits + Sled Work

Day 4: Full body Neural Charge: Plyo pushups, Snatch, clap pull ups, box jumps

Day 5: Lower Body Ramping: Front squat, High bar squat, Low bar squat, Calves

Day 6: Back Ramping: Bent over rows, rack deads, Pull ups

Day 7: Off

Day 8-14: Repeat Week 1

I would then do probably 3-4 days of full body neural charge workouts, before continuing on to my back spec.

Let me know what you guys think. Really hoping CT can chime in on this one.

[/quote]

I think it looks good for the most part. If your goal is strength, then having the neural charges in the morning is fine. However, if you’re going after size, then you should do the heavy lifting in the morning with eccentric-less work and isolation circuits in the evening. When moving to back, I don’t think have so many neural charge workouts would be necessary as the volume would be changing to back from chest; however, you should go based on how your body feels. Here is what I did last week for a concentrated loading spec for push with only one workout a day:

Day 1: (Heavy Compounds)
Top Half Seated BB Press → Seated BB Press → Incline BB Bench Press → BB Bench Press → Top Half BB Bench Press

Day 2: (Circuits)
Strength Circuit: Incline BB Press → Seated DB Press → DB Bench Press (done 4 times)
Isolation Circuit: Incline DB Fly → Incline Lateral Raise → Cable Fly → Standing Lateral Raise (done twice)
Max Rep Circuit: don’t remember which exercises, but it was done once

Day 3: (Heavy + Circuits)
Push Press → Hammer Strength Incline Press → BB Bench Press
Max Rep Circuits: done twice

Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Off (traveling)
Day 6: Back
Day 7: Off (traveling again)[/quote]

sounds good. Thanks a bunch. The reason I threw in the neural charge on the first and third day is because CT said he likes to throw them in on the first day after a break and on the third day of a concentrated loading day to help with the sluggishness and to counter the muscular fatigue. I may switch up day 3 though, depending on how I feel tomorrow.

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Good stuff guys.

I’m just trying to grasp it all and reading it all over and over.

Today I’m on a scheduled off day and decided to do a Neural Charge workout.

I understand the exercise selection doesn’t matter to much, but I read CT doesn’t like two upper, two lower body movements back to back.

What I did was: 4 Rounds of 1-handed DB snatch x3, Bent over Row x5, DB swing (emphasis hip drive) x3, ‘speed’ push-ups x5.

I was going to do a 5 round and I was thinking ok I’m just gonna fucking crush this DB snatch and that’s when I quit. It was kinda cool to get the “response” from my brain that it’s go time and that’s when I quit.

Now I feel good, much more focused and not lazy.

Thumbs up!

EDIT: Not sure If I missed it or not, but what do you guys supplement during the Neural charge workouts? I decided it’d be a perfect time to “pulse” some MAG-10. I waited 2.5 hours after my last meal and pulsed 1 scoop and 5g of added Leucine. I sipped it throughout the workout to use the muscular contraction to help bring more into the muscle.

Then 20 min PWO, meal time.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:
Good stuff guys.

I’m just trying to grasp it all and reading it all over and over.

Today I’m on a scheduled off day and decided to do a Neural Charge workout.

I understand the exercise selection doesn’t matter to much, but I read CT doesn’t like two upper, two lower body movements back to back.

What I did was: 4 Rounds of 1-handed DB snatch x3, Bent over Row x5, DB swing (emphasis hip drive) x3, ‘speed’ push-ups x5.

I was going to do a 5 round and I was thinking ok I’m just gonna fucking crush this DB snatch and that’s when I quit. It was kinda cool to get the “response” from my brain that it’s go time and that’s when I quit.

Now I feel good, much more focused and not lazy.

Thumbs up!

EDIT: Not sure If I missed it or not, but what do you guys supplement during the Neural charge workouts? I decided it’d be a perfect time to “pulse” some MAG-10. I waited 2.5 hours after my last meal and pulsed 1 scoop and 5g of added Leucine. I sipped it throughout the workout to use the muscular contraction to help bring more into the muscle.

Then 20 min PWO, meal time. [/quote]

CT recommends two servings of Power Drive after the workout. MAG-10 would be more beneficial during an eccentric-less workout.

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[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:
Good stuff guys.

I’m just trying to grasp it all and reading it all over and over.

Today I’m on a scheduled off day and decided to do a Neural Charge workout.

I understand the exercise selection doesn’t matter to much, but I read CT doesn’t like two upper, two lower body movements back to back.

What I did was: 4 Rounds of 1-handed DB snatch x3, Bent over Row x5, DB swing (emphasis hip drive) x3, ‘speed’ push-ups x5.

I was going to do a 5 round and I was thinking ok I’m just gonna fucking crush this DB snatch and that’s when I quit. It was kinda cool to get the “response” from my brain that it’s go time and that’s when I quit.

Now I feel good, much more focused and not lazy.

Thumbs up!

EDIT: Not sure If I missed it or not, but what do you guys supplement during the Neural charge workouts? I decided it’d be a perfect time to “pulse” some MAG-10. I waited 2.5 hours after my last meal and pulsed 1 scoop and 5g of added Leucine. I sipped it throughout the workout to use the muscular contraction to help bring more into the muscle.

Then 20 min PWO, meal time. [/quote]

CT recommends two servings of Power Drive after the workout. MAG-10 would be more beneficial during an eccentric-less workout.[/quote]

Roger that. I don’t have any Power Drive right now, hence MAG-10.

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Can’t wait to try out his methods again for an all-out calf, forearm and hamstring assault. Still dieting at the moment, so no point trying to add size when you are in a huge deficit of calories. The force spectrum ramping worked magic for me back when I tried it. Explosiveness has much improved and strength shot up like a rocket (I managed a 3 plate dip for 5 clean reps) when previously I was hitting just the single 45lb plate for 5 - 8 reps.

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i’ve been away for a while and I’m trying to locate where all this stuff was orignally posted and such but there’s so much!!

can someone please outline the different workouts that CT has devised (performance days, neural charge workouts etc) with a when, how and why to use them?

it doesn’t have to be too detailed but then i might actually get a better grip on the posts in this thread

that would be greatly appreciated

thanks

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In split using CT’s methos when would you train your mid-back?

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Someone mentioned an outline for a push/pull/legs/arms routine, does anyone have a link? I have also seen it mentioned on many live spills but, I can not find the set up anywhere.

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I’ve been using these methods for about 6 weeks now while cutting. I’ve dropped 11 lbs of fat and have gained 1.5 lbs of muscle. It doesnt sound like huge progress, but that averages out to almost two pounds a week of fat dropped while I’ve been putting on muscle. I cant ask for much more than that.

This has been checked and rechecked in a bod pod, so these numbers are pretty legitimate.

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I believe the push/pull/legs/arms split is in his section, in a question about using methods over a 4 day split.

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Major Thanks to CT for all his help and outlining of these training principles!

Figure girl I’m training took a measly 3 weeks to turn her back from her weak point into her strong point. I. Am. Stoked!

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Question for you all here though, what are you guys using in the way of peri-workout nutrition? I hear at least one person posted they didn’t use any Anaconda protocol, while others have posted Anaconda/MAG-10. Curious as to what the layout is for you folks—IE: Andaconda protocol 1, 2, Anaconda/MAG-10 without carbs, something else entirely.

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At one point I was using Surge recovery before/during. Depending on the budget it’s usually whey, coffee, sugar, and oats. Or if I can only do food, cottage cheese and oats before hand. Haven’t tried the Anaconda yet, but I get good results with all the others including Surge recovery.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Question for you all here though, what are you guys using in the way of peri-workout nutrition? I hear at least one person posted they didn’t use any Anaconda protocol, while others have posted Anaconda/MAG-10. Curious as to what the layout is for you folks—IE: Andaconda protocol 1, 2, Anaconda/MAG-10 without carbs, something else entirely.

[/quote]
I’m pretty basic, pre workout pop tart & protein shake, post protein shake with olive oil + creatine. Are you considering Anaconda?