I like that. Call it what it is, if thats what it is to you. 
Dont dress it up as something else.
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Those slow-emerging norms are having profound negative effects on society.
As wonderful as female sexual liberation sounds in theory, it’s something society is really struggling with right now (both women and men). I have said before that I wish that wasn’t the case, I strongly believe that we should be able to do what the hell we like with our bodies.
All of what you said is logic based, logic that I completely agree with. Sadly a handful of decades doesn’t change what we are as a species. You talk about cleanliness. Youth and purity have always been the most desired traits for a man, as seemingly pathetic and hard to hear as that may sound to many women in the modern world. This is why so many men struggle with the answers to OPs question. As we get older and more mature we can be more realistic about these things and in some ways “beat our biology” with emotional growth.
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For an arguement from a clinical/debate perspective.
Unfortunately this can be interpreted in a way which gives validity to the thinking behind most of the posts by male members here.
Hopefully that’s not true, I would think most woman have counts between 4-8. Some will be lower and some will be higher but I’d say tha vast majority are between 4-8. I make no distinction between vaginal and oral. If the d enters your body that’s a partner.
Which way do you mean for validity? Do you mean validity for avoiding women with a high number?
Actually loosened sexual norms, sexual “liberation”, has made sex a currency, which is how it has been weaponized, even with the aid of the government, and used for constant manipulation.
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Validity to the belief that men instinctively avoid women with high numbers. Validity to the fact that ‘high quality men’ who have a pick of women avoid ending up with high numbered women, whereas women with high numbers end up with men who settle as they do not have many options.
Not saying that was the case with her and her husband but from what I quoted it’s pretty easy see it as:
- Husband only had 1 other girlfriend when meeting so was not spoiled for choice/ not many women wanted him
- Wife had 25-30 people she had sex with who did not view her as ‘good enough for wifing up’
- Husband meets wife and due to scarcity ignore basic instincts of not wanting a wife with many partners
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Correct. That’s a stereotypical trend I’ve seen. @hustlinghat93
Again like…. I get that. I’m literally saying JUST SAY THAT. Yes it’s gonna piss people off, but just say that. I’m not arguing the validity of anything, I’m saying be direct. Was I arguing the relativity of things? Yes. And I’m not saying you already didn’t get what I was talking about to begin with.
What isn’t true?
See, OP, I told you it wasn’t too bad.
Imagine having to fight roughly 25-30 dudes…dude!
They probably workout, too.
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Why GE made this handy thing called the minigun.
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I get you think the joke is funny, but I was being serious with everything I said.
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THAT is why they made the minigun?
I had no idea it was such a common ocurrence.
Imagine the ads:
“Has your wife run through a bunch of folk? Well now, thanks to our new M134 Minigun, so can you!
And, unlike them folk, you will not be limited to a single shot. Face, back, groin, chest…it’s all MONEY shots!!!”
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Sorry. I mean no offense.
Then how did they get high numbers? 
Its the old “There are the women you bang, and then there are the women you marry.”.
Guys love sluts. They just dont like being the guy who married one.
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For some people it is the truest true you will ever hear. If you ever were to manage to look at the behavior and ask why, versus getting hung up on the number, you’d see there’s reasons people do what they do.
If your comment is in reference to what I said, I have no problem explaining why/how I managed to sleep with a high number of people.
If your comment is in reference to hoping your girlfriend has had an “acceptable” amount of partners before you, what if she hasn’t? If that question alone is enough to shake the feelings you have for her, it’s best you either confront your perspective here and now, or leave her be.
If your comment isn’t in reference to what I said, please feel free to ignore this.
That’s fine and dandy, but it’s still more or less a hint to wanting something akin to a “seal of freshness”. If you want that, again, just say that. Because you freaked out over her number being 4.
My answer to this question:
No you’re not being an asshole. Superficial? Perhaps a bit yes. Is it high? Objectively? No. Subjectively? For you, apparently so.
Because you’re liking her based on whatever idealizations you have going on in your head. If you weren’t, this probably wouldn’t have phased you, but since she’s one or two more partners over your expectations/assumptions it’s clashing with that idealized “her” you like to think of.
Which why I said what I said earlier.
I know you said you’re not trying to defend promiscuity, and you shouldn’t have to. Just because something is dramatically skewed one way does not mean it has to be the way. A smaller dating pool doesn’t mean an empty one. However, a lot of modern women are making themselves undesirable long-term to most men under the guise of liberation and are ultimately damaging their future chances at happy romantic relationships. That’s my only problem with the whole thing. The modern message that’s being given is harmful.
Comparatively to some women, it wouldn’t even be considered high, especially depending on your age. Would it be intrusive of me to ask how you got to the number that you got to?
I had a girlfriend who was sleeping around before me, and “It was depression, I was low on confidence”, “my ex treated me badly”. I accepted it but throughout the relationship she was still chatting with other guys, hiding it from me, perceived me as being controlling, and then continued to plow through people very soon after we broke up. I know this is an individual case but it’s easy to anecdotally gain a bias towards one direction. I would never go near a chick like her again. She fried my head completely. I say this because I don’t think not liking someone based on idealizations is the problem, because past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. His girls numbers are so low that this thread wasn’t even worth the time he took to make it though.
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I think the reason that the negativity is so strong is BECAUSE of the sexual part. Take out the sexual part and you just have female liberation. Alright, but what does that look like? Free emotional and mental expression. Physical expression by way of creativity, work, quality production of individual skills, whatever they may look like. I think the moment sex or sexuality is introduced, it knocks everything else out of the spotlight because sex is such a powerful and intimate thing almost entirely by itself. And it’s almost purely physical.
With that being said, since it’s mostly physical you can attach so many emotional and mental things to it, that give it that much more power as a physical thing. Which leads me to suggest that a lot of sexual liberation is actually a defense mechanism. It’s an attempt to guard things or claim things that women feel have been taken from them. And I understand and can resonate with that completely.
My issue is that many women, myself included, fall off the deep end. Where did they cross the line from liberation, to trying to heal hurt, under the guise of “this is my body and I can do what I want.” As a victim of rape/sexual assault I can all too well understand how people get to that point. For me, it was no longer about sex, it was about taking back as much power as I felt had been robbed from me. And just like that old math saying about dividing fractions: “What you do to the top, you do to the bottom”, What happened to me sexually, I spent some trying to rectify it sexually.
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