Hello everyone, I have just recently started my new structured preparation
Week 1-5
500mg Testo Cyp
600mg EQ
500mg Tren E.
40mg winstrol(kickstart)
week 6
550mg Testo E
600mg Eq
600mg Tren E.
week 7-8
550mg testo E
900mg EQ
600mg tren E
week 9-10
1100mg testo E
900mg EQ
800mg Tren E
week11-12
1100mg testo E
1200mg EQ
800mg tren E
week13 (drop)
1000mg Sustanon
900mg EQ
600mg Tren E
week14
750mg sustanon
600mg EQ
200mg tren E
week15
500mg sustanon
600mg EQ
week 16
500mg sustanon
300mg EQ
week 17
250mg sustanon
40mg/day tamoxifene
100mcg/day t4
20mcg/day t3
1mg/week caber
Bridge for 4week ā Bloodwork ā new cycle
what do you think??
The first 5 weeks will follow a diet aimed at body recomposition, the subsequent follow a clean bulk protocol. My goal is to compete in the Classic Phisique and it takes 10-15lbs to my weight
Holy fucking shit, thatās a fucking gigantic amount of gear. Thatās TWO fucks in one sentence Iām so shocked. My left ventricle exploded after reading this. Itās LVWT is now 2000 mm and I no longer look like a human, just one dialated, massive left ventricle full of fibrotic tissue.
@physioLojik Dr Sir, have you ever used these kind of dosages? 800mg of tren, thatās 4000mg of test on paper. I can only imagine how hyoooge Iād be if I used such dosesā¦ And how my lipid profile would look
T4 ANNNND T3!!! I mean the doses here are actually reasonable. But Iāve gone into ventricular fibrillation now after thinking about running like 4 grams of gear then bridging for 4 weeks before doing it all over again.
Are you aiming to be Mr Olympia or something, are you currently an IFBB pro? If not I highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt you need these doses.
I do not understand this at all. Also, caber is the fire extinguisher thatās locked away. You break that glass in case of emergency. You donāt plan on using it unless necessary.
I want to talk about the T4/T3 usage if you feel like discussing it.
Why bother with the T4 at all if youāre already going to be using T3? Why not just increase your T3 dosage and drop the T4 altogether since your body wouldnāt need to convert any T4 to T3 considering the presence of exogenous T3 levels (unless Iām misunderstanding the T4ā>T3 conversion mechanism).
My assumption is that youāre adding those compounds in near the end to clean up any added fluffiness prior to competing; considering that I would expect to see some Clen in the mix as well.
T4 and T3 I use them together because the first few weeks are in a phase of recomposition (hypocaloric).
Being in hypocaloric the organism decreases the production of thyroid hormones and therefore their use is justified.
So use T3, T4 is inactive until it interacts with deiondinase enzymes (responsible for t4āt3 conversion). Pathways to convert t4-t3 are of different efficiency depending on the individual, making T4 use a crapshoot. I previously didnāt know this and thought T4 was an okay drug for hypothyroidism but then Dr Sir taught me otherwise.
Youāre arguement for use of T4 makes no sense, given that youāll be shutting down youāre natty thyroid production by using synthetic thyroid hormone regardless. Tis all about the negative feedback loop.
Personally I donāt recommend either. I recommend a solid diet and way less gear.
Clen+T4+T3+megadosing gear = a heart attack and/or lethal arrythmia in the making
Say humans, not all organisms produce thyroid hormone. Pretty sure prokaryotic (single celled) bacteria (tis a living thing and thus an organism. All bacteria are prokaryotic I believe #nomembraneboundorganelle) donāt have thyroid glandsā¦ But Iām secretly a prokaryotic organism #nucleusdoesntexist
This is my understanding of T3/T4 so if I have something to learn here Iām absolutely open to that.
You body creates T3 from T4. As long as T4 is present and your thyroid is function properly your supply of T3 will be fine.
In instances of extreme dieters, or people with hypothyroidism T4 supplementation makes sense.
Once you start taking T3 directly the amount of T4 become irrelevant because your body is just going to look at all the extra T3 in your blood and say āummmā¦no need to convert this useless T4 to T3 beacuse my levels area already high; as a matter of fact, Iāll just tell the thyroid to take a few days off until we need it.ā.
I donāt think you need the T4 if your going to throw T3 on top of it; you might as well just throw it in the trash.
Please correct me if Iām wrong somewhere.
( I see that @unreal24278 is replying. Heāll undoubtedly have something useful to add here.)
Youāre right. Op should pick one or the other ( or neither haha, thyroid status typically bounces back after extreme dieting anyway, and the very short period of which one would be in a hypothyroid state probably wouldnāt impact bodyfat distributionā¦ What can impact BF distribution is permanently fucking up youāre thyroid from using synthetic T4/T3)). Itās like using test and androstenedioneā¦ Why are you using a PH on top of the real thing. Itās less efficient and itās a waste of time.
I wouldnāt say that youāre improving the effect of the T3 per se, more accurately, youāre making the need for T4 unnecessary by adding T3. If youāre taking a thyroid hormone for body recomp purposes I would stick with the T3 by itself.
Long term use of a DA is āsafeā because the patient populations that have been studied are the ones who use these drugs, namely Parkinsonās disease sufferers. Healthy people donāt use these drugs for long periods of time. Youāre setting yourself up for some serious problems down the road when you mess with that stuff.
Unless heās doing an IFBB pro comp I donāt think 800mg tren/wk is nesseccary to win lol. Even then 800mg of TREN is a stretch.
Maybe Iām wrong tho, I just thought those kinds of doses (regarding tren) were meant for world class athletes, not amatuer competitors (unless op is already pro), I believe flipcollar uses/has used high doses, however he is (for his weight class) legitimately currently the strongest man in the WORLD for certain lifts. Thus his doses make sense, heās legitimately a professional strength/power athlete
Not disagreeing but you of all people should know the uphill battle is even when dealing with recreational lifters when it comes to gear dosages. Throw in a competitive athlete and his coach and youāre increasing the level of difficulty exponentially. Iāll admit that Iām ignorant to the level of gear being used by the pros these days and that would be further complicated by UGL underdosing of gear. Itās been a while since Iāve read ShadowProās threads but I think I remember a dosage discussion there.