Jeez. Tough crowd.
Two cents from a lurker.
I’ve read Enig, Fife, Lutz and Ravnskov and a few other ‘kooks’. And quite frankly I tend to believe them. I don’t think saturated fat and cholesterol are the enemy.
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Why, when there is a vast quantity of clinical, epidemiloigical and experimetnal work that show their ideas to be basically wrong?
OR is it becuase they offer conspiracy theories?
Maybe I Should be wrapping my head in tinfoil to help contact the mothership?
Surely those people cannot be wrong
If you want towear tinfoil on your head thats your right…silly… but your right.
I just think that Enig and Ravnskov expained how anti-cholesterol/SAFA have manipulated the clinical data.
Cycomiko have you read Enig-“Know your fats” or Ravnskov “The cholesterol myth”??
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I have read some of both of their work. Mainly the online stuff because I cant be bothered ordering overseas for their work. I live in New Zealand.
Ravnskov is quite entertaining, especially with his strange attempts at saying cholesterol/safa is all wrong etc
He also has a strange dislike of PUFAs, to the extent of saying PUFAs have no effect on heart disease (dispite great evidence to the contrary)
I also like how they all comment that inuit eating a high fat diet have low heart diease, then Ravnskov says that increasing pufa will kill from cancer. ALthough inuit are eating ahigh pufa diet and not dropping dead any quicker than otehr populations.
I highly recommend Mary Enig’s “Know Your Fats: The Complete Primer For Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils, and Cholesterol” Excellent book.
As for Ravnskov, I don’t think I’ve read anything he has written about the Inuit.(Please provide a link). I do remember reading about one researcher that followed a diet like the Inuit.This researcher ‘proved’ that the diet was harmful but upon further investigation the guy had not followed the complete diet. Apparently the Inuit consumes the whole animal including the brain(which contains large amounts of cholesterol)so this whole study was useless.
Sorry I can’t add more detail, Ive forgotten where I read it.
I’m not here to pick a fight. I’m just trying to figure it all out. If you feel my high cholesterol/SAFA diet is going to kill me at a young age then help me out. Point me in the right direction.Please don’t say the clinical data proves it because so far (according to Enig, Ravnskov etc) it doesn’t.
Oh and I don’t fear PUFAs I just use them sparingly
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Hmm, honestly the real thing about the inuut diet is that they are eating most of that stuff raw, which is what neilg also proposes.
Nearly impossible to do that nowadays, seeing as how the people doing the eating are rarely the people doing the slaying.
Would anyone in their right mind eat raw hamburger frequently?
Eating an animal raw that you killed/cleaned yourself and have total control over spoilage is one thing, and eating a store bought piece of meat raw is completely another.
Well studies show aspirin causes far more deaths each year than steroids do.
And its a well known fact you make a cheaper hamburger if instead of adding healthy oils which cost additional money, you simply use the unhealthy facts which came with your meat at no extra cost.
And, if a group of scientists were paid to produce evidence by twising facts, the REAL, unbiased, scientists would be there to readily confront them on their outlandish theories.
Money still cant buy the favor of ALL of the American Populace. It hasnt bought mine, and God knows they try.
Something to think about.
I would get hte book, but dont see the point when I have access to medical and nutritional literature and can make my own mind up on which stuff to believe or not.
I have read absolute bucket loads of research on the topic area (altho my thesis is on a different CV risk factor)
If you even look at research from one of the more vocal higher fat scientists (Walter Willett) in a paper a few years back on the Nurses health study (from memory) showed that an increase in medium chain safas (the hypercholesterolaemic ones) of about 1% increased CV risk by 20% (ie a relative risk of 1.19). This was after statistical adjustment for other CV risk factors.
This is modern research, a cohort (the best your going to get without spending an absolute fortune on a RCT) and an absolute smegload of subjects (started over 100,000)
This isnt hte only one, but just breaks it down even further.
This is what Willet had to say:
“The focus on dietary recommendations is usually a reduction of saturated fat intake, no relation between saturated fat intake and risk of CHD was observed in the most informative prospective study to date”(1990)
When Willet and group studied"…the association between fat intake and the incidence of coronary heart disease in men of middle age and older."
“these data do not support the strong association between intake of saturated fat and risk of coronary heart disease suggested by international comparisons.”
(Ascherio et al 1995)
What was your research on ??
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I’m a little confused about this statement:
" showed that an increase in medium chain safas (the hypercholesterolaemic ones) of about 1% increased CV risk by 20% (ie a relative risk of 1.19). This was after statistical adjustment for other CV risk factors."
What are hypercholesterolaemic medium chain safas??
Medium chain saturated fats are caprylic acid, capric acid, lauric acid and some consider myristic acid.
Am I missing something here??
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