Neighbor Was 82nd Airborne?

My next door neighbor claims to have been in the 82nd Airborne.

I knew a couple of seals when I was a teenager & one of my friends in college was a ranger. This guys just doesn’t seem to fit.

He is involved with celebrity black mail & some low brow pornography. He is in the news every six months or so. Nothing important, just celebrity scandal stuff. The guy is a major hustler & considers himself to be in “Public Relations”.

On the flip side if he really was Airborne I would ask him to train me. Partially because he is in killer shape for being 50ish & partially because I am going to enlist after I am done with college (may).

If he’s lying I don’t want to train with the guy. I always try to maintain an honest relationship with the guys I lift with.

I would really like to check his military record out. Does anybody know of a way to do that?

Sweet I am gonna call them Monday.

[quote]Brock Samson wrote:
My next door neighbor claims to have been in the 82nd Airborne.

I knew a couple of seals when I was a teenager & one of my friends in college was a ranger. This guys just doesn’t seem to fit.

He is involved with celebrity black mail & some low brow pornography. He is in the news every six months or so. Nothing important, just celebrity scandal stuff. The guy is a major hustler & considers himself to be in “Public Relations”.

On the flip side if he really was Airborne I would ask him to train me. Partially because he is in killer shape for being 50ish & partially because I am going to enlist after I am done with college (may).

If he’s lying I don’t want to train with the guy. I always try to maintain an honest relationship with the guys I lift with.

I would really like to check his military record out. Does anybody know of a way to do that?[/quote]

If I was your neighbor, I wouldn’t want to train with you, Mr. Honest-Workout-Partner. If you’re so honest, why don’t you ask him in more detail about his military past rather than going behind his back for his file. If you have any kind of a bullshit meter, you should know from a few minutes conversation about his service.

If I were working in military records and some punk sent in a request for his neighbor’s file for his lifting buddy background check, I would let that request form fall behind the file cabinet.

I also don’t know why you think he doesn’t fit the profile of the 82nd. Just because you once knew two SEALs and a Ranger means you are an expert on the military and all special ops units and personnel? Do you have any idea of how many soldiers of different types have served in the 82nd?

Get a grip on reality and realize that they are as diverse as any sub-population grouping in America. Likewise, once retired/discharged, they are likely to diverge in as many directions as they came from (probably something less, but my point remains that they are diverse).

I can tell you from experience that there are cool folks in the 82nd and there are pricks. There are straight-as-arrow types and there are shadier types. It’s like that in any unit in the military.

If the guy is in his 50s and in kick-ass shape, you could probably learn a thing or two from him, which makes him a good training resource. Btw, none of the branches of service are really using “cutting edge” training techniques and their training programs are all well-documented and available to anyone.

The one constant is that they all incorporate a lot of running, pushups and pullups, except the Air Force, they walk or use exercise bikes :wink:

“I always try to maintain an honest relationship with the guys I lift with.”

This really made me laugh. Wtf, are you looking for a lifting partner or a spouse? I understand there’s some comaraderie involved, but don’t you think you’re being melodramatic here?

DB

I’ll second what DB said. Some of the hardest toughest soldiers I ever served with didn’t look all that imposing off the battlefield. In combat they were warriors that other men followed.

[quote]Brock Samson wrote:
My next door neighbor claims to have been in the 82nd Airborne.

I knew a couple of seals when I was a teenager & one of my friends in college was a ranger. This guys just doesn’t seem to fit.

He is involved with celebrity black mail & some low brow pornography. He is in the news every six months or so. Nothing important, just celebrity scandal stuff. The guy is a major hustler & considers himself to be in “Public Relations”.

On the flip side if he really was Airborne I would ask him to train me. Partially because he is in killer shape for being 50ish & partially because I am going to enlist after I am done with college (may).

If he’s lying I don’t want to train with the guy. I always try to maintain an honest relationship with the guys I lift with.

I would really like to check his military record out. Does anybody know of a way to do that?[/quote]

What do you mean he doesn’t seem to fit? The 82nd has over 12,000 people in it at any given time. That’s a lot of different types of people. I doubt that anyone on earth can guess what someone does in the military by looks or by casual conversation. Not even if they are a SEAL or ranger. Why don’t you just call your ranger buddy and ask him? It is pretty easy to punk out a fake. They rarely have the lingo, training, or unit traditions down.

Glad you asked this question. One of my workout partners claims he was an eagle scout, but I just don’t buy it. He doesn’t have that killer instinct and likes to give up before true failure on max rep sets. Now, thanks to your question and that link, I have the means to expose him for the fraud that he is. The sissy!

D

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
why don’t you ask him in more detail about his military past rather than going behind his back for his file. If you have any kind of a bullshit meter, you should know from a few minutes conversation about his service.[/quote]

A lot of people lie about their military service. How can a 16 or 17 year old kid know what to recognize as bullshit?

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
why don’t you ask him in more detail about his military past rather than going behind his back for his file. If you have any kind of a bullshit meter, you should know from a few minutes conversation about his service.

A lot of people lie about their military service. How can a 16 or 17 year old kid know what to recognize as bullshit?[/quote]

Not taking anything away from the 82nd as they are hardcore Airborne Infantry, but many guys go through their ranks. It’s not the same as someone claiming their part of Seal Team Six or Delta Force.

D

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Not taking anything away from the 82nd as they are hardcore Airborne Infantry, but many guys go through their ranks. It’s not the same as someone claiming their part of Seal Team Six or Delta Force. [/quote]

I agree. But the OP is enamored with the idea. So rather than debating whether they are “hardcore” or not, it’d be better to help him determine if the guy is a fraud.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Not taking anything away from the 82nd as they are hardcore Airborne Infantry, but many guys go through their ranks. It’s not the same as someone claiming their part of Seal Team Six or Delta Force.

I agree. But the OP is enamored with the idea. So rather than debating whether they are “hardcore” or not, it’d be better to help him determine if the guy is a fraud.[/quote]

Well, if you feel it’s that critical for this kid, I hope you help him find out.

Take care,

D

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Not taking anything away from the 82nd as they are hardcore Airborne Infantry, but many guys go through their ranks. It’s not the same as someone claiming their part of Seal Team Six or Delta Force.

I agree. But the OP is enamored with the idea. So rather than debating whether they are “hardcore” or not, it’d be better to help him determine if the guy is a fraud.[/quote]

The OP is the one who said he doesn’t “fit” his own impression of what an ex paratrooper should be. But, aren’t we talking about this kid doing a background check on a potential lifting partner? Are you fucking kidding me??? How many of partners does one go through before the age of 25 anyway?

By encouraging this kid to file a fucking formal request for a guy’s personnel file is stupid and is just plain old wasting taxpayer dollars for a frivolous request. Not to mention, I find it to be deceitful on the OPs part, especially after he wrote how he has to have an open and honest relationship with his lifting buddies (give me a break).

And I still don’t see what being 82nd has to do with being a good lifting buddy.

DB

Okay I do not claim to be any kind of military expert. I am a civilian. I am in college. I am going to enlist after I graduate.

The guy lies a lot as a matter of fact he does it for a living. Not small my wife thinks I am at the office but I am really at the strip club lies, but major he has had the FBI there to raid the guys house type of a thing. He has been to jail several times for fraud, & civilian espionage.

The guy is a major bullshit artist.

The guy is a minor celebrity where I live because of his overwhelming reputation as a con man.

That being said I have lived next door to him for 3 years & over the years he has become more and more honest with me.

I said that I honest relationship with the people I work out with. If you were considering really training with somebody and they told you “hey I was Mr. Unvierse in 91” you might either totally dismiss the idea, or go home hit google and find out.

I can’t just go to a site and type in a guys name to see if he served. Wish I could, but I can’t.

I am not looking for lifting buddy, I have those. Never ran a backround check or even really questioned anything personal they have ever told me. Never felt the need.

I am looking for someone to coach me and mentor me on something that I take pretty seriously. I want to learn urban combat in the IDF.

I just want to know if this guy is on the level. He is the best liar I have ever met in my life. I do not look down on him in any way for that. He makes a great living feeding bullshit to the press.

I just don’t want to approach the guy asking him for help, to find out a year latter that he never served & everthing he has taught me he learned from a Richard Simons work out tape. That would be a waste of my time.

Tax payers money. Give me a break. I pay taxes & plan on keeping that trend up for the rest of my life. It’s not like I’m asking for food stamps, I just want a guys name run through a computer.

[quote]Brock Samson wrote:
Okay I do not claim to be any kind of military expert. I am a civilian. I am in college. I am going to enlist after I graduate.[/quote]

Ok. great.

[quote]
The guy lies a lot as a matter of fact he does it for a living. Not small my wife thinks I am at the office but I am really at the strip club lies, but major he has had the FBI there to raid the guys house type of a thing. He has been to jail several times for fraud, & civilian espionage.

The guy is a major bullshit artist.

The guy is a minor celebrity where I live because of his overwhelming reputation as a con man.[/quote]

Then, why would you believe anything he tells you?

How do you know?

This is a totally ridiculous comparison. If there had been over 100,000 Mr. Universes, this might be a valid comparison. This is not a knock on the 82nd, but it’s not hard to get into that Division. They train their asses off and they are very good at what they do, but they do take a lot of people into their ranks.

This is as it should be with military personnel records.

And you want a compulsive liar to mentor you? Nice. As for learning urban combat in the IDF - what is an 82nd guy going to tell you about that? Why do you think you will get IDF training as an enlistee who may or may not be posted to the 82nd?

Nice use of logic.

I said this before, if you’re looking for him to impart some “secret” training techniques of Airborne troopers, you will be sorely disappointed. They run, do pushups, run, do pullups, run and then run some more. Throw in some guerilla drills and assault course training and you’ve got it.

Yes, taxpayers dollars. This clearly shows that you have no idea how the federal government works. To you, you are submitted one simple request that will be taken care of by a simple push of a button. In reality, your request will likely be handled by at least 3-4 people before it even gets approved or denied (which I hope it does). It may also be a year before you even get the records you request. Your request is a waste of taxpayers money.

DB

[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Not taking anything away from the 82nd as they are hardcore Airborne Infantry, but many guys go through their ranks. It’s not the same as someone claiming their part of Seal Team Six or Delta Force.

I agree. But the OP is enamored with the idea. So rather than debating whether they are “hardcore” or not, it’d be better to help him determine if the guy is a fraud.

The OP is the one who said he doesn’t “fit” his own impression of what an ex paratrooper should be. But, aren’t we talking about this kid doing a background check on a potential lifting partner? Are you fucking kidding me??? How many of partners does one go through before the age of 25 anyway?

By encouraging this kid to file a fucking formal request for a guy’s personnel file is stupid and is just plain old wasting taxpayer dollars for a frivolous request. Not to mention, I find it to be deceitful on the OPs part, especially after he wrote how he has to have an open and honest relationship with his lifting buddies (give me a break).

And I still don’t see what being 82nd has to do with being a good lifting buddy.

DB

DB, thi is the first time i seen you annoyed.

Therefore i arrive at the conclusion that you are ex military.

so can i be a pest and ask you which branch you served in, and wer you spec ops.

if you wernt then ignore my post.

actually ignore it any ways, its really non of my bussiness im sorry.

ah crap just tell me
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I admit, I’ve been cranky lately - must be adrenal fatigue.

I spent a total of 12 years in the Army (+4 ROTC). I didn’t do anything heroic, didn’t serve in any combat zones and I didn’t even do very much active duty time - I will be upfront about that so that no one accuses me of making outlandish claims. But I did get to do some pretty cool things and experience a lot of things that most people nowadays don’t get to experience.

My MOS was 91B - Tank/Materiel maintenance officer, although my first assignment was a staff officer. Then I moved on to a transportation company, then as a training officer in the reserves before resigning my commission. Most of my time served was spent with senior officers and NCOs from the Army and Air Force.

These men and women had very diverse backgrounds - from Vietnam search and destroy missions and recon patrols to combat jumps in Panama to “field-testing” and “recovery” of experimental munitions during Desert Storm. The nature of my jobs was that there was a lot of downtime to talk to many different people and hear some of their stories. Some were the typical crazy guy eating glass stories, some were eye-opening and others were pretty emotional for the story-tellers.

For example, one Colonel, during his retirement lunch, opened up and told us a story about Vietnam that he had never spoken about, not even to his wife of 30 years. It was something that he needed to get off his chest and get some closure. It was a profound and somber moment, to say the least.

So, maybe you can understand when I get a little worked up over some jackoff who thinks he owes it to himself to pry into a guy’s past, which should be private imo, because he wants proof of the guy’s military service before he asks him for some fucking training advice.

This is probably the last I’ll post on this thread because I think I’ve now said my peace and have devoted too much time on this subject already. I’ve got to get back to the Sex and Male Animal thread to pester some kid who wants to know what it feels like to have sex with a real woman.

DB

It boggles my mind that you’re expecting honest rapport with the best liar you’ve ever met in your life. If this guy has a real lying problem and turns out to be 82nd Airborne, do you honestly think he’s going to give you his real training “secrets?”

[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
It boggles my mind that you’re expecting honest rapport with the best liar you’ve ever met in your life. If this guy has a real lying problem and turns out to be 82nd Airborne, do you honestly think he’s going to give you his real training “secrets?”[/quote]

I’m saying! He says the following about him:

"The guy lies a lot as a matter of fact he does it for a living. Not small my wife thinks I am at the office but I am really at the strip club lies, but major he has had the FBI there to raid the guys house type of a thing. He has been to jail several times for fraud, & civilian espionage.

The guy is a major bullshit artist. "

The guy has the FBI down on him for fraud and espionage and this kids main priority is finding out if he was really in the 82nd. So, if you find out he low and behold really served in the 82nd he passes muster for “training secrets”? If he is legit how on earth is he going to train you for urban combat?

Does he have a mock city set up for you to run drills in next to his blackmail and porn shop? If you are going into the IDF (Isreali Defense Force?) don’t you think you will get all the training you need there?

D

A good friend of mine was 82nd Airborne. He isn’t more than 5’10" and maybe 180. Size really doesn’t matter all that much when you are jumping out of a plane.

[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
It boggles my mind that you’re expecting honest rapport with the best liar you’ve ever met in your life. If this guy has a real lying problem and turns out to be 82nd Airborne, do you honestly think he’s going to give you his real training “secrets?”[/quote]

LOL. Yeah, the OP is a real tool. I thought, from his first post, he was just some high school kid with big dreams. But he’s in college? And he already knows the guy is a fraud? WTF is wrong with people these days.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I said this before, if you’re looking for him to impart some “secret” training techniques of Airborne troopers, you will be sorely disappointed. They run, do pushups, run, do pullups, run and then run some more. Throw in some guerilla drills and assault course training and you’ve got it.
[/quote]

“Secret” training technique #1
We walked long distances with heavy rucksacks on our backs.

“Secret” training technique #2
We were often “encouraged” to perform various types of pushups as punishment for minor transgressions.

“Secret” training technique #3
We routinely donned the aforementioned rucksacks along with other standard issue combat equipment and a parachute and made our way out the back of an airplane.

If you wanted to lift weights it was on your own time and never during DRF-1 status