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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]cromwell2007 wrote:
Are you not in the US Army? I would think you would have grown up a bit more by now.[/quote]

dude blow me.

"�¢??Midshipmen and cadets remain stronger and more aggressive than their male counterparts at civilian schools. They eagerly play sports such as rugby, boxing, karate, lacrosse, and football. They drive fast cars, usually sports cars. They play hard. They drink hard. They are physical, often abusive among each other. They are not trying to prove their manhood: they are celebrating their masculinity. They are competitive, often vulgar, and tough, and every citizen who may someday send a friend or relative into war should rejoice, because combat is competitive, vulgar, and tough, and they will be leading men in combat.�¢??

-James Webb, fmr Secretary of the Navy

i pretty sure i’m as ‘grown up’ as i need to be right now, and i have a sneaking suspicion i handle more responsibility at my age right now than you will in your 30s, 40s, and 50s.

WHICH BTW I’M 23 PEOPLE!!! lol i had a bday a month ago, sheesh.
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Mac,
I don’t have any issue with what’s transpired. Given the same circumstances, I would bet most men AND women on here would have had sex with their hot 6th grade teacher. Posting it all on the web? Questionable behavior at best.

I just had to comment on the Webb quote. I went through ROTC and spent 12 years in the Army and have known many officers in all branches of service. The portrayal of the officer corps is laugable in parts. In fact, most of the people I’ve come across in my adult life who most closely resembled his portrait were salesmen (not car salesmen btw) who never served in the military. In my experience, very few officers drove sports cars and as soon as we set foot in the officer basic course, we were told “OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT ON POST”. It was one of the post commander’s bugaboos. A couple of guys got speeding tickets and they had to go before the commander. Rumor was that a guy in the class ahead of us got 2 speeding tix and was dismissed. The rationale was that if you couldn’t obey a simple speed limit, you might have trouble obeying an order on the battlefield. Maybe when Webb came out it was more like a “Top Gun” fantasy world, but when I went through it was drilled into us that as officers, we are held to a higher moral standard. Maybe that’s changed with the constant deployments. I don’t know.

Have all the fun you want while you’re young. I would just be a little more discrete in the future, lest you find yourself in violation of the UCMJ.

DB[/quote]

agree with what you said.

but the question is…WHAT DID I DO WRONG HERE?

i posted a non-explicit, non-illigal convo i had with a woman i met. all of a sudden people are crying out about me being an officer and what not?

a lot of you guys need to chill out. i don’t even understand why references to UCMJ and shit are being said.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:
They are just people, they have no more expectation of privacy than anyone else. When you communicate with someone, unless you say, Don’t share this information with ANYONE, well then it is no longer your information, it’s thiers, and they can do with it what they want. So if you are all worried about someone reading a message, that it was not intended to go to, don’t send the fucking message, of post the picture, or whatever.

That is all Plebians,

V[/quote]

Well then by your logic, the douche who told the teacher was just fulfilling his obligation to share info that was rightfully his (and hers). Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. Shouldn’t we all just post that info over and over??? I mean it’s just people. Who gives a damn?

It’s the same douche move.

Just because someone gives you an opportunity be an ass doesn’t mean you should. Private messages should stay private and I bet any one of you who are wondering what the big deal is would be pissed if it was your private message being shared. But hey, you’re entertained right?[/quote]

I have had private messages shared and I have shared others sent to me. There is no obligation for anyone to share anything. HM is giving US the priveladge of having a closeup look at his life, including the people involved in it. He isn’t filtering anything out, and to be honest I really don’t think he gives a shit if someones feathers get ruffled.

While having something you intend to have only one person read getting leaked can be a little embarrasing, it’s hardly the end of the world. Most people get over it and by the looks of it, his teacher did as well. Now the only way mac could be in the wrong here is if she said, I will only talk to you if you promise to never pull that again, if I send you something it’s strictly between us. And if mac said ok I agree to that, BUT there are some assumptions to be made as I don’t think he ever said any of that went down. In which case, maybe she really isn’t flipping wig about him sharing thier adventure after all.

I mean lets just put this into perspective. Say you have facebook, and a couple people from your work are on your facebook page. Also, a couple people from T-Nation are on your facebook page. You make a thread about this guy who is stalking you at work, and it gets a few people here who like you pissed off. Pissed off enough to find your facebook account, or maybe they arlready are friends with you on that site, and they start sending messages to your other friends asking if they work with you. Then one innocently responds with, oh yea, I work with her why. Then somehow this guy ends up getting the name of the stalker, along with what company you work at, does some more digging and either calls this guy, calls his wife, or does some similar dumb ass thing and your stalker guy goes crazy.

See you are sharing sensitive information, MUCH more sensitive information about your personal life and the personal life of one of your co-workers, than Mac is. If the information you are sharing gets back to your real life person, things can get very bad for a number of different people. Now, you are not a douchebag for sharing this information, you came here looking to friends for advice. IF someone went to the work of tracking this guy down in real life, would it be your fault, or the person who went the extra mile to turn the internet into real life?

So basically what I’m saying is don’t be a hypocrite, Mac didn’t post her real name, he posted a picture which he later blacked out the face and her facebbok account. Which is nothing because if you asked mac to be your facebook friend, he would let you and you could instantly see all his facebook friends as well. The information is not private. If you want to go online and have a random identity, thats fine, if you don’t, thats fine too, but don’t complain if shit from the internet comes and greets you in real life.

Someone went the extra mile to make sure they cockblocked mac, it didn’t even work, so the egg is on thier face, and they are a douchebag. Is Mac a perfect human being? I don’t even know the guy, but since when is broadcasting your sexual escipades now a bad thing on T-Nation? This shit has been going on for as long as I remember, and the only time anything stupid came from it was the person who ratted mac out.

I have put my own personal stories about my love life on here, push has, as well as many others. It’s interesting stuff and the internet would be pretty boring if no one shared anything. It would amount to a bunch of teenagers having dick measuring contests every other thread.

V

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. [/quote]

hahaha @ “pretty much”

that’s a stretch so you can make a weak argument. there is a difference between a simple copy/paste and putting in effort to sabotage someone.

and in this case, i mean no malicious intent towards her. i just like sharing a story that “I” experienced.

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Oh and sorry for the too long for it’s own good post.

V

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thanks veg.

if you ever want to stop being a damn yankee you can come down here and we can MMF

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So what? The guy fucked her a couple of times and now doesn’t want anything to do with her - who hasn’t done that? Especially at 20 years old?

I agree that it’s not exactly a stunning example of class to discuss this with the whole forum, but really, he’s a young guy who’s out to have some fun - as long as he didn’t promise his undying love for all eternity (which he obviously didn’t do) I don’t see a problem…

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
thanks veg.

if you ever want to stop being a damn yankee you can come down here and we can MMF[/quote]

Yea right, what so you can run off and post the whole thing on T-Nation. :wink:

V

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Great points Vegita (and not too long).

Let me start by saying that the only problem I have is that HM didn’t return any of her calls/texts. I obviously do not know all of the details, but sometimes a quick, “I’m busy. Talk to you later.” text can save a lot of time and trouble (and prevent the chick from going bat-shit crazy). But that is just how I am.

Perhaps the larger question is, how much privacy do we really have in today’s society? You can post pics and videos to youtube almost instantaneously. As 4chan has shown us repeatedly, the information is out there and just because you aren’t the type to ever invade someone’s personal life does not mean that there isn’t someone out there who is (was that too many negatives? I lost count).

Look at Michael Phelps. He couldn’t even get high with a few friends without it getting out. Tiger had girls all over the planet saving texts as an investment. Or, for you Philly folk, there was the disabled guy who worked part-time security for the Eagles. After Dawkins went to Denver the guy posted on Facebook about how stupid the Eagles were for not re-signing him. Within a few days he was fired. It’s not right or fair, but it is the world we live in and if you play with fire you might get burned.

So, while I don’t necessarily agree with what HM did, I don’t condemn him for it. This woman was already aware that it had happened once and she chose to go ahead with it anyway. Either she 1. Could really give two shits what a bunch of people on a lifting forum think of her 2. Is a complete and utter moron 3. Is delusional or 4. Suffering from temporary insanity due to the power of HM’s pimp hand.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
Suffering from temporary insanity due to the power of HM’s pimp hand. [/quote]

Yea, this is spot on. The pimp hand is strong with that one.

V

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]cromwell2007 wrote:
Are you not in the US Army? I would think you would have grown up a bit more by now.[/quote]

dude blow me.

"�?�¢??Midshipmen and cadets remain stronger and more aggressive than their male counterparts at civilian schools. They eagerly play sports such as rugby, boxing, karate, lacrosse, and football. They drive fast cars, usually sports cars. They play hard. They drink hard. They are physical, often abusive among each other. They are not trying to prove their manhood: they are celebrating their masculinity. They are competitive, often vulgar, and tough, and every citizen who may someday send a friend or relative into war should rejoice, because combat is competitive, vulgar, and tough, and they will be leading men in combat.�?�¢??

-James Webb, fmr Secretary of the Navy

i pretty sure i’m as ‘grown up’ as i need to be right now, and i have a sneaking suspicion i handle more responsibility at my age right now than you will in your 30s, 40s, and 50s.

WHICH BTW I’M 23 PEOPLE!!! lol i had a bday a month ago, sheesh.
[/quote]

Mac,
I don’t have any issue with what’s transpired. Given the same circumstances, I would bet most men AND women on here would have had sex with their hot 6th grade teacher. Posting it all on the web? Questionable behavior at best.

I just had to comment on the Webb quote. I went through ROTC and spent 12 years in the Army and have known many officers in all branches of service. The portrayal of the officer corps is laugable in parts. In fact, most of the people I’ve come across in my adult life who most closely resembled his portrait were salesmen (not car salesmen btw) who never served in the military. In my experience, very few officers drove sports cars and as soon as we set foot in the officer basic course, we were told “OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT ON POST”. It was one of the post commander’s bugaboos. A couple of guys got speeding tickets and they had to go before the commander. Rumor was that a guy in the class ahead of us got 2 speeding tix and was dismissed. The rationale was that if you couldn’t obey a simple speed limit, you might have trouble obeying an order on the battlefield. Maybe when Webb came out it was more like a “Top Gun” fantasy world, but when I went through it was drilled into us that as officers, we are held to a higher moral standard. Maybe that’s changed with the constant deployments. I don’t know.

Have all the fun you want while you’re young. I would just be a little more discrete in the future, lest you find yourself in violation of the UCMJ.

DB[/quote]

agree with what you said.

but the question is…WHAT DID I DO WRONG HERE?

i posted a non-explicit, non-illigal convo i had with a woman i met. all of a sudden people are crying out about me being an officer and what not?

a lot of you guys need to chill out. i don’t even understand why references to UCMJ and shit are being said.
[/quote]

Some people do need to chill out. But I think you also need to lock it up a little. I cited UCMJ because it leaves a lot of room for interpretation when it comes to conduct that is detrimental to the service (i.e. behavior that could be seen as casting a negative light on the military). Article 134 is a good place to start. You could probably have an interesting conversation with a JAG officer if you know any.

True, you posted a non-explicit, non-illegal convo from FB. But, the FB posts, when added together with the TNation threads could leave it open to interpretation. You may not have come across a Bible-thumping flag officer yet who wouldn’t approve of this. Using Webb to defend yourself probably won’t go far especially if he calls on MacArthur’s farewell speech (“Duty, Honor, Country…”).

I’m just saying you should be very careful what you post publicly as an officer, especially if you are in charge of troops, some of whom will undoubtedly have an ax to grind with you at some point. Once it’s on the internet, it’s in the public domain. Chances are that nothing would ever come of this little escapade, but do you want to take that chance? Use a little discretion, that’s all I’m saying.

DB

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. [/quote]

hahaha @ “pretty much”

that’s a stretch so you can make a weak argument. there is a difference between a simple copy/paste and putting in effort to sabotage someone.

and in this case, i mean no malicious intent towards her. i just like sharing a story that “I” experienced.

[/quote]

Sorry I didn’t mean to suggest that. I don’t think that you do. I was just point out the flaw in Veg’s logic.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]cromwell2007 wrote:
Are you not in the US Army? I would think you would have grown up a bit more by now.[/quote]

dude blow me.

"â??Midshipmen and cadets remain stronger and more aggressive than their male counterparts at civilian schools. They eagerly play sports such as rugby, boxing, karate, lacrosse, and football. They drive fast cars, usually sports cars. They play hard. They drink hard. They are physical, often abusive among each other. They are not trying to prove their manhood: they are celebrating their masculinity. They are competitive, often vulgar, and tough, and every citizen who may someday send a friend or relative into war should rejoice, because combat is competitive, vulgar, and tough, and they will be leading men in combat.â??

-James Webb, fmr Secretary of the Navy

i pretty sure i’m as ‘grown up’ as i need to be right now, and i have a sneaking suspicion i handle more responsibility at my age right now than you will in your 30s, 40s, and 50s.

WHICH BTW I’M 23 PEOPLE!!! lol i had a bday a month ago, sheesh.
[/quote]
I highly doubt that, but I certainly hope for the best for you. FYI, I am 44 and spent 8 years in the Marine Corps much of it deployed but we don’t need a pissing contest here. In any case, the overall body of your work here shows that you are a young guy with a sense of humor, and you seem to be a good guy. I may have been tempted to do what you did here. I also would have regreted it later.

That is my point, if you feel I was harsh in my judgement, so be it. An emotional response such as the one you had does tend to prove my point however. Best of luck

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. [/quote]

hahaha @ “pretty much”

that’s a stretch so you can make a weak argument. there is a difference between a simple copy/paste and putting in effort to sabotage someone.

and in this case, i mean no malicious intent towards her. i just like sharing a story that “I” experienced.

[/quote]

Sorry I didn’t mean to suggest that. I don’t think that you do. I was just point out the flaw in Veg’s logic. [/quote]

Hahahaha… My Logic… Hahahahaha Flaws…Hahahahaha. LOL :wink: (winking happy face)

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. [/quote]

hahaha @ “pretty much”

that’s a stretch so you can make a weak argument. there is a difference between a simple copy/paste and putting in effort to sabotage someone.

and in this case, i mean no malicious intent towards her. i just like sharing a story that “I” experienced.

[/quote]

Sorry I didn’t mean to suggest that. I don’t think that you do. I was just point out the flaw in Veg’s logic. [/quote]

Hahahaha… My Logic… Hahahahaha Flaws…Hahahahaha. LOL :wink: (winking happy face)

V[/quote]

=D (equal-sign-eyes-D big grin face)

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Really, HolyMac pretty much gave all of T-Nation her real name and his own. [/quote]

hahaha @ “pretty much”

that’s a stretch so you can make a weak argument. there is a difference between a simple copy/paste and putting in effort to sabotage someone.

and in this case, i mean no malicious intent towards her. i just like sharing a story that “I” experienced.

[/quote]

Sorry I didn’t mean to suggest that. I don’t think that you do. I was just point out the flaw in Veg’s logic. [/quote]

Hahahaha… My Logic… Hahahahaha Flaws…Hahahahaha. LOL :wink: (winking happy face)

V[/quote]

=D (equal-sign-eyes-D big grin face)[/quote]

D = the camera and strap in your avatar.

DB

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WOW…well as far as 20 something yr olds screwing women and pissing on feelings…im 24 and Ive never done that…I think its wrong to sterotype an age group. Is it typical behavior maybe a lil bit but citing his age as a factor is a lil on the loose side. I know many 30 and 40yr olds WHO DO THE SAME DAMN THING. So stop flamming holy mac…his flame retardant suit is starting to melt…lol :slight_smile:

And btw…cause the chick went thru with it anyways…im willing to bet she couldnt give a tiger woods golf club about it being on the net.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
D = the camera and strap in your avatar.

DB[/quote]

Ha! Nice.