Hey guys, need some help here. Did 3 pins of sust 500 and got an infection each time so I’m done with that. Going into something else. I have 1 10 week cycle of test c 250 (twice a week), and one full cycle of anavar 50 mg. How should I work this? Is this a good couple or should I do one then the other? Not going into competition here, but am hitting gym 5 days a week. My goal is to look my best. Maybe 2 or 3 cycles a year. Also… Ideas on a PCT plan? Thanks gents!!
Are you sure you got an infection? I’ve had bad issues with pain and swelling after injections. It happens to me frequently and a muscle can be swollen for days after an injection, but I’ve never had a fever and the redness/soreness is not from an infection.
I mention this just to prepare you for the possibility that your Test C injections may also swell you up.
No. These were straight up infections. One had to be cut open. Possibly a bad batch or reaction to the chemical they use for the sust 500. Either way, bad enough where I decided against sust 500. 104 fever, sweats.
Any advice on the anavar/test c mix?
It’s a decent combo. I’ve used anavar with test but only four 4 weeks 30mg a day. The improvement over test alone wasn’t dramatic, but I suppose you would get a more pronounced effect running a higher dose for 8 weeks (or more at your own risk lol).
You say sustanon 500!?!?!?!? As in it has 500mgs per ml? That is your issue I bet. The amount of solvents aka EO or whatever the UGL used would have to basically be the entire remaining portion after the ba and bb. In other words no carrier oil just EO. Some guys react to that stuff which could look a lot like and abscess. As far as the temperature, higher concentration gear tends to make the body react because it detects a foreign substance and attacks it, higher temperature is part of that process. If they didn’t use high levels of EO then the injections probably crashed right after you injected. So that 500mgs or half a gram of various testosterone’s turned back into crystals which would cause severe pain and also could trigger the anti body foreign substance reaction in your body.
Either way you are right for discarding the bottle and moving on. Trying to figure out what was happening would have been a headache without knowing the entire history of the raw testosterone’s along with is brewing technique and recipe.
Now you asked a series of questions that I have to flatly say, “you should have known these answers before starting!”
Your understanding of this stuff is obviously limited so I encourage you read and read and read about all of this. Some information out there is crap but as you read numerous sources you will develop a internal steroid crap information detector.
You asked if you should run the test and anavar together or one then the other. If you are not a pro running a very specific cycle for a distinct reason and willing to possibly damage your long term health for a goal then never run any cycle of compound without at least a basic Testosterone replacement level of test. If you took just anavar alone then the little bit of progress you can get from it will have to be gotten as you work against having no testosterone in your system, you need the the Testosterone and all the things associated with it to be healthy and functioning.
Since you are probably going run these compounds now rather than later (after learning more) I will suggest running the anavar at then end of your cycle. With ten weeks of Testosterone cypionate once you stop injecting you have to wait two weeks to start PCT so there are a total of 12 weeks. If you have 4 weeks of anavar I would run it weeks 9,10,11 and 12. You said you have a full cycle of anavar, we have no idea what you mean. Did you buy 100 ten mg tablets? Did you buy two things of 100 tablets? Are your tablets 50mgs?
With you running the anavar at the end and during the last two weeks when you are no longer injecting Testosterone then you can start the anavar off at a lower dose then ramp it up those last two weeks as your test levels drop. Actually doing it like that can help you burn some fat and possibly get some extra definition. You could start your dose off at 20-30mgs then ramp it up the last week to around 50. It’s hard to say where to start and where to end without knowing how much you have. One thing since you are new to all of this there is no reason to go over 50mgs a day with your level of development, you would just be waisting it.
You should have had your PCT planned out BEFORE you started!!! A simple Nolvadex at 40mgs a day for two weeks then 20mgs a day for two weeks with a total of four weeks will work just fine. DO NOT start this next cycle without having the entire PCT in hand. You do not want to get to the end of your cycle and not have your PCT because it got lost or seized. If you end your cycle without your PCT you will lose everything you gained. You will still eventually recover most likely but it will be so long and stretches out your gains will turn to fat.
I have to say you did not state your age or basic stats and info. FYI with your goals anavar really isn’t worth the price. Anavar is worth it when we use it to bust through a strength plateau or when we want extra tight skin on stage. Otherwise everything else it does can be gotten at a better price return through other compounds. Just my opinion.
You really should have done more prep work via research before you started. That whole thing about asking if the test and anavar could be run together or one after the other along with asking us to tell you what to do for PCT really shows just how little you have thought about this. The choices you are making can and in ways WILL effect you and your health for the rest of your life. When I was younger I tried just about every drug (no needles thank goodness) at one point or another and I have to say steroids have more profoundly changed and impacted my life than all of the other stuff put together. Just to note I did use pure crystal meth for a few months and I was flat out addicted to opioids for a good bit. Please educate yourself because you have to live with the consequences of these choices.
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Wow!!! That’s quite the answer. And EXACTLY what I was looking for!!! Sooo… I am 39, 5’ 9" 200lbs. I am in good shape. I have been hitting gym hard for the last 12 weeks. Prior to that, I have always been in good shape. Including 6 years in the infantry. I have NOT started this cycle yet. That’s why I’m on tnation, to do some research. I do however have it. I do not have the pct yet though. I have a 50 count of 50mg Anavar plus the 12 weeks of test c.
Get some Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) for PCT and run just the test at 500 mg/week, split into two injections, for 12 weeks and save the Anavar for a later cycle.
You guys get 50mg anavar tablets? We get 10mg tabs or rarely 25mg tabs, typically 10mg tabs,
Yeah. 50 mg
You really seem to know your stuff. A buddy of mine Just gave me the nolvadex and also clomid. Should I run both?
same, I have 10mg. Never seen 50mg. Highly doubt its pure at that dose per pill
Just nolva will be fine
Cool. Thanks!
I write this out way more times than you would think is necessary but here I go again;
All you really need for PCT is Nolvadex OR clomid but there is nothing wrong with using both just to give yourself some sort of peace of mind, like you have more covered with the two vs what would be covered with just one. Again all you really need is one and since enough guys react to clomid and Nolvadex is a stronger binder per mg, most guys go with Nolvadex. So the PCT concept is still the same if you are using both. You take two standard doses a day for two weeks then one standard dose a day for two weeks. A standard dose for Nolvadex is 20mgs and Clomid is 50mgs. If you take both then it’s one standard dose of each per day for two weeks then a HALF dose of each per day for two weeks.
If during you PCT you find yourself an emotional wreck then most likely it is the clomid, I used on my first PCT and I cried at a commercial. Once I stopped taking it no more emotional outbursts. The important things in PCT are the length of the therapy and MAKING yourself go workout at a level as close to your cycle as you can. Dose of the therapy is also important but I feel like our standard PCT protocol is higher than what is absolutely necessary but I am NOT advocating anyone taking less then the standard protocol.
Now I have to say 12 weeks in the gym is not enough time to justify a steroid cycle, typically. However with your infantry background I know you are not a fat ass football bat. That taken with your age I say you are an adult and if you want to risk it then risk it but just be intelligent about it, so get smart on it. Your smart book for this stuff is going to be the entire internet and like said you will develop a BS detector so start reading, everything! With your age and I say this as a fellow former service member and just a slightly bit younger than you, building new muscle naturally at our age just isn’t going to happen worth a shit. We can reinvigorate atrophied muscle naturally and with dogged determination we might get a few new pounds but really the output vs return is shit on the natural path for our age bracket. With your infantry background you should have decent all around muscle mass that has good overall endurance from the years of training so you definitely have more than “12 weeks in the gym.” I felt I needed to touch on this because some 18 year old is going to read the 12 weeks and say to himself “if it was okay for him then I can do it too.” For the record you moving forward and me not saying “this is stupid” is based off of a combination of your age, infantry background and your current time of hitting hard in the gym.
For all the others commenting on the 50mg anavar tablets, I have seen them on sights before but I can speak to actual dosage. Chances are it’s not 100% of 50mgs of anavar the question is how much is actually anavar and how much anavar did you actually get. Most likely if it has some sort of substitute then it’s probably winstrol or winstrol with dbol which isn’t going to hurt you.
For the OP in regards to anavar and any other higher prices “exotic” compound, stay away from them for now. (As far as buying anymore, stay away) Chances are you will love your cycle so you will be running numerous cycles in the future, you might even end up doing a home version of Testosterone replacement with the occasional cycle level of dosage known as blast and cruise. For now you need to find and develop a good source. Even if your buddies have “good” sources you still need to find your own because you can’t bank on your buddies always being able to hook you up. So as you explore new sources I would urge you to try the basic common compounds first like test, EQ, deca if you feel like gambling, ect. Then after you have found a source with good basic compounds then try the higher prices stuff. For the record even if a lab has good properly dosed Testosterone enanthate that in no way means they have good properly dosed primo, tren or mast. Now if their Testosterone is shit then you can bet their other stuff is shit too. So use your money wisely as you move into this world.
Even as you do your pre cycle research you should be extra careful with your diet, you can easily drop a few fat pounds in a couple of weeks as you line all of this out. For the record we break our muscles in the gym, when we sleep we build new muscle mass and the food is how we fuel it. If your diet and sleep are not inline with gaining lean mass then all the steroids in the world won’t do a damn thing. In my opinion the order of importance is food, sleep then what we do in the gym. Notice the gym came last and food was first.
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Thanks man. I appreciate the time and effort in your responses. You’re definitely a source I will take seriously. I’m out to do this right. And I wouldn’t be taking the chance if I didn’t feel a 100% that I have the build to take this. I’m definitely lean and strong, and my body gets in shape really quickly. There was a time when I was considered a world class athlete (my infantry days), and my body definitely remembers that time because it is shaping very well. Thanks again for the solid feedback.
I’d assume 50 is common since it’s the minimum dose recommended for a cycle… so I’m wrong?
why would 50 not be common?
what is it about clomid that makes people emotional?
Zuclomiphene’s neurological effects regarding high predispensity to bind to the ER in regions of the brain responsible for mood and emotional regulation
On that note…I think I’ll be skipping the clomid!