Need Advise on Serious Situation

Honest advice:

  1. Make sure you don’t use the mace in a confined space or you’re fucked as well.
  2. Try to avoid fighting multiple people at once.
  3. Take down the leader, or guy with the biggest balls first. Sometimes this works and the other guys get scared that you fucked up the friend they usually rely on to win the fight/take the punches.
  4. CALL THE COPS!
  5. If it’s about drugs, move to another city.
  6. Don’t bring a gun because if you don’t have time to draw and fire before they jump you, they will take it from you, and possibly use it against you.

Seriously mostly there’s probably not a lot you can do. Irish is probably your best bet to ask questions towards, and if he’s not helping you, the advice is shit. So convince him it’s a serious situation. Asps tend to work well, rolls of nickles wrapped in electric tape and held in your fist aren’t too bad either.

At the risk of sounding complete asshole, I’m going to take you seriously for about ten minutes, then probably go back to making fun of you.

Your “job” is something illegal. My best bet is you’re making a delivery or some shit, which you shouldn’t be doing, but whatever. Do what you do.

The God’s honest truth is that if there’s a group of guys hunting for you who are not opposed to using weapons, you are in a dangerous situation. They may not be trained fighters, but that don’t mean shit if one of them has a knife or a gun. If you move on that head on, you’re going to get killed- its nearly guaranteed.

What I would do if I was such a man, is move only at night, watch your ass, and avoid the group. The smart thing to do would be to get your “job” done then bug the fuck out, but you don’t sound as if you’re going to do this. So in that vein, I would say you have to fight in a guerrilla fashion- catch them one at a time and do what you do. I’m not going to say what to do further than that because cops generally have a problem with what I would say, as do most juries and judges. That’s up to you.

Mace is not a great idea. If its a windy day, you’re as fucked as they are. If you’re hyper and all banged out on adrenaline or… other shit… than you’re as likely to spray yourself.

Now see, this is what I don’t quite understand- you think that if you get at them, the problem is going to go away. I don’t know what kind of mobsters they have where you live, but where I live, that gets them more angry at you, and more determined to end you. I don’t see why you think violence is, in this situation, going to miraculously break the mold and not beget more violence. You’re a lot more likely to up the stakes and raise their Irish up than solve this problem.

And you say you have the element of surprise? Not really bro. When you’re comin at someone, you only get the drop on them if you planned it that way. It’s called “the initiative” in war terms. It can be given away just as easily as it’s gained, and not for nuthin’, but you really don’t sound like the sharpest tack. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe not. But it’s your awareness that will keep you alive… and in your situation, where the deck is clearly stacked against you, it sounds like you’re going to end up dead. If I was you, I’d pick a new career. But that’s just me bro.

You want some shit to read? Go to scribd.com and download Marc Macyoung’s “Street Escape and Evasion.” It’s the most practical work I’ve read that deals with your… situation.

On top of that, though, go read Meditations on Violence by Rory Miller.

Then, don’t do whatever you’re going to do. Go back to college, or high school, or wherever, and get out of the game.

Or otherwise… Holy Macaroni motherfuckers, I’m talkin to a dead man.

On another note, I found this on youtube. Finally someone posted it. Thank god.

Dude, if this is legit and you’re really into it with “mobsters,” the moment you beat their ass, as it seems like you’re planning on, the situation will escalate and then carrying a gun will not just be an option it will be a necessity. I honestly don’t know what kind of advice it is you’re looking for, but I’d suggest some kind of conflict resolution as opposed to any physical confrontation.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
On another note, I found this on youtube. Finally someone posted it. Thank god.

- YouTube [/quote]

Fuck you’re cool.

[quote]greenhopper wrote:
ps. I would appreciate if you did not ask any details of me. Obviously I will not share my situation in any more detail. I really thought about a lot before even posting this. But I figured, power is in numbers and I bet you guys will be able to direct me better than I can on my own.

Please let keep the discussion on my questions and developing a strategy to help me rather than being inquisitive about my situation. I did not type this for entertainment purposes, as it is a serious situation. Thank you [/quote]

Oh.

It’s become apparent that you’ve chosen to associate yourself with organized crime.

In that case, I hope you die a horrible death!

Goodnight! :^D

[quote]slimjim wrote:
Dude, if this is legit and you’re really into it with “mobsters,” the moment you beat their ass, as it seems like you’re planning on, the situation will escalate and then carrying a gun will not just be an option it will be a necessity. I honestly don’t know what kind of advice it is you’re looking for, but I’d suggest some kind of conflict resolution as opposed to any physical confrontation.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

I know you didn’t want any questions about the situation, so I’ll just ask some rhetorical ones (meant simply to make you think):

  1. why do these “mobsters” want to kick your ass? Do you owe them something? If so, and if possible, pay them. Did you in some way offend them? If so, apologize and try to make peace.

Like Slim said above, if they truly are “mobsters”, then your only hope is to try to find a peaceful means of resolution.

  1. why must you go to this city in the first place? Wouldn’t just staying away from places where you are likely to encounter these characters make a whole lot more sense than going into their neighborhood and trying to figure out how to “beat their asses”?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

  1. why is contacting the local authorities “not an option”? You may not have the right to carry concealed weapons and are subject to “levels of force” laws, but police have the green light to carry firearms and the right to use them if they see the need. They also have access to far greater man power, firepower and technology than you do.

There is strength in numbers.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

now you can walk around town, totally undercover. as soon as those motherfucker come out, rip all your clothes off, scream ‘HOLY MACARONI MOTHERFUCKERS’ and charge/tackle them while simultaniously activating your electrosuit.

That was fucking hilarious.

[quote]greenhopper wrote:
Hey guys,

I need some help. I have some serious enemies in a city I will be going to soon. I do practice some martial arts for sport but this is more serious and could easily become life threatening if handled incorrectly. It will not be a fair fight where one guy will attack me with his hands. The attack will most definitely involve more than one person and they will have weapons, whether it is a gun, bats, knives, I don’t know. The intention will be to hurt me. They are after me and there will be a confrontation eventually. I can’t keep avoiding it.

The good part is, they think I don’t know or even if I do there is nothing I will be doing about it. They MOST DEFINITELY don’t see me as a threat. I am going to use this to my advantage. They think I will not strike back and just comply with anything they say or do. If they can’t hurt me there, they will try and take me on gun point or something similar.

There are a lot of things I need to take care of and will be out and about the city a lot. I won’t be able to avoid it.

I do own guns, but I am hesitant to carry them because I don’t want to escalate a situation, and I don’t want to have to shoot someone and then have a murder charge on me. I want to handle this without having to shoot anyone. I am not trying to be heroic here, or do anything fancy. I just need to get this job done without getting seriously injured. Going to the authorities is not an option.

I plan on carrying Mace with me at all times. That is an excellent weapon to have since it won’t kill them, but will help me disarm them or at least keep a few guys busy will I fuck a couple of them up. Hand to hand combat is not a problem. I am far stronger and better trained than any of them. They are not trained fighters. They are mobsters.

Few months back I had gone and there were many times where the confrontation could have happened. They came looking for me, but every time I hid and managed to avoid it. But the thing is, it has got to happen. Without the confrontation, this will never stop. Once I strike and hurt them in a confrontation, things will change. They will begin to fear me and from there I can handle it. Right now, I am in a very weak position. However, post confrontation I don’t need help or advise. I will deal with the consequences.

I need help preparing for this situation. I am obviously very nervous, which is why I am writing this. I was hoping you could direct me towards some books. I read the 33 strategies of War by Greene but that is not helpful to my situation because I am not attacking. I will be the one getting attacked. Do you know of any books that cover maybe frame of mind I need to be in or something that could hep my situation?

I am going to have one shot at this, and I need to do it right. They will come hard at me, and I have the element of surprise on my side. Not in their wildest dreams will they expect me to retaliate. This nightmare has gone on too long.

ps. I would appreciate if you did not ask any details of me. Obviously I will not share my situation in any more detail. I really thought about a lot before even posting this. But I figured, power is in numbers and I bet you guys will be able to direct me better than I can on my own. Please let keep the discussion on my questions and developing a strategy to help me rather than being inquisitive about my situation. I did not type this for entertainment purposes, as it is a serious situation. Thank you
[/quote]

Does anyone else think this sounds like the plot to a movie? Good luck. I predict Jason Statham in the lead role if they ever get it.

I can’t believe I’m posting in this thread.

But I am going to give you advice, this advice is only given under the premise that you are doing something legal, and you have a group of people out to get you for some transgression.

I would read Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” and I would read it today.

And, furthermore, and tell me if I’m wrong, the only reason you think besting these people will somehow take them off your back is because they are a bunch of kids that will back down once they face a superior opponent.

If the people who are hunting you are more than that, your besting of them won’t do anything but ramp up efforts to get you. Period. Now you seem to be a smart enough guy, which is why I’m making the guess that I am up there.

You have two options. Two real options in 2009. These are your only two options if you’re facing something serious and you want to come out of it with a higher chance of living.

  1. Go to the Police. Stop, I know, you can’t, blah blah blah, do you know how many people “Couldn’t” go to the Police and are now dead. Think about that.

  2. Run. Far away, make up a new name, introduce yourself using only it, rent a room in cash.

If you do go through with your strategy the option of going to the Police may be very well taken off the table, when they come to you.


So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will fight without danger in battles.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.

-Sun Tzu

Anyone want to take an over/under bet on how many forums he has posted this nonsense?

OP, dirty people deserve dirty situations
and I don’t help dirty people

GL, I hope you all get severely wounded.

[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
OP, dirty people deserve dirty situations
and I don’t help dirty people

GL, I hope you all get severely wounded. [/quote]

Hanger,

Like I said, he may be–and I’ve known this to occur, in a bad spot that he unwittingly got into. It does happen.

However, what might be going on is he’s the “Bad Guy” in this situation if all the facts were presented and maybe that’s why he “can’t” go to the Police.

I hate seeing people getting severely injured or killed over absolutely asinine situations that in days of old, when honor was more common, would be solved by sitting down and talking or maybe a fist-fight and a handshake.

[quote]TheBige wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
OP, dirty people deserve dirty situations
and I don’t help dirty people

GL, I hope you all get severely wounded.

Hanger,

Like I said, he may be–and I’ve known this to occur, in a bad spot that he unwittingly got into. It does happen.

However, what might be going on is he’s the “Bad Guy” in this situation if all the facts were presented and maybe that’s why he “can’t” go to the Police.

I hate seeing people getting severely injured or killed over absolutely asinine situations that in days of old, when honor was more common, would be solved by sitting down and talking or maybe a fist-fight and a handshake. [/quote]
I severely doubt this should happen with a full grown man. Unless he’s like a repo man, there is practically no reason he should have ‘mobsters’ out to get him

I understand there is the rare case where someone gets in a pickle but seriously…

[quote]HangerBaby wrote:

I understand there is the rare case where someone gets in a pickle but seriously… [/quote]

…who comes to a muscle building website, tells his story, and then asks for ‘helpful books to read’

serial?

lol i have 2 awesome propositions:
If you have ABSOLUTELY no choice at all and they will kill you no matter what you can do 2 things:
a) MONEY MONEY MONEY…give em enough and you should be okie.
b) you could go commando and take down the whole mob? lol

greenhopper since you have a gun there is a way to win. you hole yourself in your room
and call the people that are looking for you and tell them where you are. when they kick down
the door, take the gun and point it at yourself and kill your self. they will be so filled with rage that they pick up the gun and kill themselves. and when the bodies are found by a cop
he will be so despondent that he takes his own gun and kills himself, and when a jogger goes
by he hears the gunshot, he looks and sees the dead people on the floor and throws himself out
the window and dies…

[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
greenhopper since you have a gun there is a way to win. you hole yourself in your room
and call the people that are looking for you and tell them where you are. when they kick down
the door, take the gun and point it at yourself and kill your self. they will be so filled with rage that they pick up the gun and kill themselves. and when the bodies are found by a cop
he will be so despondent that he takes his own gun and kills himself, and when a jogger goes
by he hears the gunshot, he looks and sees the dead people on the floor and throws himself out
the window and dies…[/quote]

what if grasshopper lives on the first floor?

JOGGER LIVES!!

o snap.

if this is a serious post, i think this guy might have some very, very serious mental health issues…