I’ve been reading allot of articles and post here for the last couple of days. I think for what I’m looking to do, Stanozolol (Winstrol) may be what I want to use. For the job I’m trying to do, I need strength and endurance, not size. I’m not looking for anything too long term or complicated.
So, what I would like to know, is does Winstrol need to be stacked with anything, and since it doesn’t aromatize, do I need clomiphene, even with low doses? and what would be an effective dose for Someone 5’5" and 190lbs who doesn’t want to gain allot of size, just a little performance edge. I’ll continue searching this site for more info. But if anyone has some advise, or can point me to articles, or post that I’m missing, I would appreciate it.
There is allot to learn here. I don’t know too much about this, but I’m smart enough to not start anything till I have all of the facts. I’m looking into Miotolan, instead of Winstrol, due to Winsterol’s negative effects on cholesterol. I have a heredity of high cholesterol no matter what my diet or exercise routine is. Is it feasible to use this drug on it’s own, and get positive results with no side effects? and is it available in a injectable form? I have no liver problems, and want to keep it that way
As talbotko say: do a lot of research.
What does it means? it means you have to “build” the basic knowledge, to grasp “the big picture”.
Don’t do research based on your target. Cause this are a “2nd level” research. First you have to learn the basic. Than you can start to research “target-related” information.
And, it is impossible to give advice if we don’t know anythink about you (age, training age, training recime, training goal, weight, bf, nutrition plan, height…)
I’m trying to take it all in, the more I read, the more I’m figuring out that I can’t just pick one drug. But here are some more of my stats and goals. I’m 29, I’ve been lifting since I was 13. Before I went into the military I was 5’5" 195lbs and about 8% body fat. That was when Andro was legal. Right now I’m 190lbs and 12-13% body fat. I’ve moved away from allot of weights and I’m doing allot of running, swimming and calisthenics. My diet is pretty clean, allot of chicken and brown rice. The only supplements I’m taking right now are multi vitamins ad glucoseamine. My goals are military oriented. So what ever I use has to be short term, or very hard to detect. I could do it without the chemical augmentation, but because of my age I don’t have that time, so I need a little boost. I’ve also been looking into EPO
If you are in the military I would advise to be carefull about how you go about this, does the drug have to be out of your system by a certain length of time? If so do some research on detection times.
always remember gear can fuck you up if you dont know what you are doing, so be safe instead of sorry
I am not so familiar with the cholesterol problems associated with Winstrol and in a quick search I haven't found any numbers that substantiate concern, in my mind. I say this because I enjoyed my limited experience with Winstrol. The goal, it seems, was similar to yours. My experience included D-Bol along with Winstrol and yes, on the clomid. The Winstrol portion included 200mg day one then 100mg every cycle.
Sorry, don’t know why my previous post got cut off.
My previous post should have finished… The Winstrol portion included 200mg day one then 100mg every other day until day fourteen. It was a first time cycle.
Don’t do research based on your target. Cause this are a “2nd level” research. First you have to learn the basic. Than you can start to research “target-related” information.
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Good advice and well put, cadav. I’ll be using this metaphor in the future.
First I’d like to say, thank you for the advice so far. My brain is hurting from trying to remember all of the information on just this site alone. Not to mention ever thing I’ve googled. Well, here is where I am. To start of pretty light, I’m going to start with 100mg of winsterol depot the first day, then 50mg EOD for two weeks. Possibly longer, depending on positive/negitive effects and budget. After that, what I’m still trying to decide is what to take next. clomiphene at 50mg EOD seems to be the norm, but for how long? It’s seems pretty easy to get, but very expensive. So, depending on how long I would have to take it would be my delay in starting. I won’t start until I have everything I need in hand. Since clomiphene is a just used to bring back you natural testosterone, would Tribulus work as well? It would certainly be less expensive, and allow me to extend the winsterol. But I’m not willing to sacrifice my health to save a few bucks. We all know it would cost more in the long run to do it the wrong way
[quote]Getting_old wrote:
First I’d like to say, thank you for the advice so far. My brain is hurting from trying to remember all of the information on just this site alone. Not to mention ever thing I’ve googled. Well, here is where I am. To start of pretty light, I’m going to start with 100mg of winsterol depot the first day, then 50mg EOD for two weeks. Possibly longer, depending on positive/negitive effects and budget. After that, what I’m still trying to decide is what to take next. clomiphene at 50mg EOD seems to be the norm, but for how long? It’s seems pretty easy to get, but very expensive. So, depending on how long I would have to take it would be my delay in starting. I won’t start until I have everything I need in hand. Since clomiphene is a just used to bring back you natural testosterone, would Tribulus work as well? It would certainly be less expensive, and allow me to extend the winsterol. But I’m not willing to sacrifice my health to save a few bucks. We all know it would cost more in the long run to do it the wrong way[/quote]
I understand that weight gain is not your goal, but the muscle gain/fat loss or body recomposition with AAS will be dictated by your diet. Training will be the stimulus by which your muscles will either grow or stay the same.
That said, you need to reconsider the use of winstrol alone. Have you read the side-effects of it? There is plenty of experience with that drug (I also have used it) and you will have higher propensity for joint issues. Considering that you are running heavy (military) this is not a good choice for you. Just a thought.
Why not do a “reduced” cycle? Try test c at 400mg plus .25eod of arimidex and work on your diet plus double the cardio to reduce the bodyfat. You will be much less catabolic and if your macronutrient ratios are dialed-in there would be a drastic body recomposition in those 12 to 14 weeks. At the end you can do a traditional PCT or a reduced taper.
Ok, I’m still looking into things. I know I don’t know much, but I won’t start injecting anything into my body until I know what I’m doing. I guess for now, I’ll restate my goals and my situation, and just keep researching. Ok, so here it goes. I work long hours, I’m in pretty good shape. I’m not looking to get very lean, or to put on much size. I’m looking for strength, endurnce, and above all, recovery. After work I don’t have the time to work out, and still get enough rest. So, basically, I have this tendancy to run myself into the ground. Budget is a big issue for me right now. But I will save up and do it right, not just inject what I can afford
Ok the whole military thing means nothing unless they have probable cause that you are using. They don’t test for steroids and never will because its too damn expensive. Your unit commander would have to request a test and if you passed the test your unit would have to pay out of pocket. The only reason I know so much is because I just got out and did aas a few times while I was in with no complications. Good luck and just don’t tell anyone, obviously.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
Bushmaster, those are some very wide-eyed assumptions you’re making and very broad generalizations.
Getting_old, feel free to PM me in regards to any complication with the service and AAS. I “know somebody” that “knows somebody.”[/quote]
They are not assumptions as I just got out of the military and definitely did some research on aas use in it. If you have a different opinion I would definitely want to hear it.