tldr at bottom. browsed the forums before but i never had a valid reason to post until now. ill try and explain as quick and concise as possible. basically I’ve had some health problems in the past 6-9 months and I’ve lost all my gains(lost 2.5 inches on my arms 17.5-15.5, 4 inches on my chest 47-44 were the most noticeable besides my neck but that’s too embarrassing to write down my bf% also jumped from 9% to probably 12-14%) . I found out I’ve had crohn’s disease which sucks but I’ve had it for a while and just made dietary changes so it really isn’t that severe. however some of the random shit that happens is, I have no appetite nausea etc. the worst was fistulas, if you don’t know what it is look it up, it is the worst feeling/pain I’ve ever felt and I’ve had some pretty painful stuff happen. so I got multiple surgeries(3 total and possibly two more, ill find out soon) over the course of 6 months on my ass and intestines and now recently I’ve felt like shit more than ever (go figure) but it was worse than the first two surgeries and it seemed like weird hormonal shit(gyno worsened, acne on face and chest, lethargy, weird boner shit). so I go get bloodwork bc my gyno got really bad and was painful af, and my hormones were fucked go figure(i can post some of my numbers if needed). the doc said the gyno flare up was bc of medication after the surgery and whatnot as well as some bloodwork issues(I’ve had gyno since I was 11 years old but it kind of came and went and would be bad for a year then almost go away). while we were screening through all this shit the doc told me he thinks I have some thyroid cancer(ultrasound found it), and possibly a pituitary adenoma (going in for imaging soo n) that is causing a whole bunch of the symptoms I have. long story short insurance refuses to pay for basically anything(cancer in my thyroid is not inherently life threatening and hasn’t spread yet so therefore removal or chemo is considered a “cosmetic procedure” even though its causing me health issues) and I’m having to source some of the medicine I need myself which is a pain in the ass.
that was just background now to the real advice I need. once I get the gyno taken care of I’m going to start my first sarms cycle and I think I know mostly what I’m doing(key word being think) but I don’t want to overlook anything. I cared about my health and being natural for 5 years(I’m 19 been lifting for 5 years and did wrestling for a while so my physique is ok just not reflective of the work i put in for it but it’s whatever bc i enjoy the process:) and got good results considering my hormones and crohns but I’m done fighting the constant uphill battle and taking 2 steps back every step forward due to a surgery or puking up all my food for a week or my thyroid acting up or whatever. I’d like to milk natural gains for a while longer but I’m not really in an optimal state hormonally and I am no longer feeling patient. I got raloxifene to take care of the gyno and tamoxifen to stack with it if it doesn’t work on its own. for the sarms etc I got
ostarine 15mg 90pills
mk677 15mg 180pills
arimistane 50mg 180 pills
I’m not going to take the mk677 until i get the thyroid and pituitary issue sorted through because I’m not trying to get too fucked up.
i was going to run it like 1st month (30mg ostarine 15mg mk677) 2nd month (15mg ostarine 15mg mk677) 3rd month (15mg mk677 50-100mg arimistane as pct, and possibly 20-40mg nolvadex with it)
or ostarine and mk677 for 3 months then month 4 mk677 and pct
does this seem reasonable for a first sarms cycle and is there anything I am overlooking or should change?
TLDR: Have health problems lost all my gains, going to use a sarms cycle to get it back.
can’t really get crohns sorted out. Corticosteroids, immunosuppression and whatnot can ameliorate symptomatology, but unfortunately the disease he has is chronic… and it’s a really shit one to have too
I can’t advocate for a teenager using gear and one CERTAINLY shouldn’t unresearched, unregulated drugs (sarms of dubious quality) if they have cancer. If OP loses a LOT of weight unintentionally a doctor will eventually help him out anyway, oxandrolone is typically prescribed for cachexia. With a pituitary tumour he may have secondary hypogonadism depending on the location of the tumour, so there’s the chance OP unavoidably and unfortunately ends up on TRT.
Esp MK677, increases GH/IGF-1 output. GH makes everything grow, increased IGF-1 will enhance proliferation of pre-existing cancer cells
Yeah I had a friend who had crohns. Only thing that would keep it at bay was to smoke a couple cigarettes a day believe it or not.
The OP has some other health issues that he should work with his doctor to sort out. Using SARMS for a little vanity is not worth the risk with his pre existing conditions IMO.
I’d agree with this. Is it reasonable to think that if he works with a doc he can get on genuine hormone replacement & do it safely? Didn’t read the whole thing but with his pituitary and thyroid issues I’d think HRT isn’t out of the question
As stated very well, get your medical situation stabilized, what you are talking about will interfere with medical care, could have unforeseen consequences on any pharmacology you may be prescribed. You’re not going to like it but put your money into nutrition and a trainer for now. I appreciate where you are coming from, it will get better. SARMS and AAS are a bad idea, for you absolutely right now.
I’ve lost 20lbs so far and not the good kind, also got a bf% increase so I probably lost more muscle than that. I had to change my diet drastically due to the crohns flare up and fistula surgeries, compounded with inactivity and hormonal issues it’s the ultimate gainskiller. do you have any idea how much mass/weight i’d have to lose before i’d get prescribed anything for cachexia?? the reason I was eyeing ostarine was bc the dude who developed it made it for his wife that had cancer related cachexia.
Like the others said, don’t do it. And do not rethink on the issue for a long while. Years in fact. Besides the fact you are 19, Chemo/cancer is not a pebble that you casually walk over on a stroll… its a mountain (huge hill at best) you climb up and back down again. I have had numerous people in my family have cancer and go through chemo. It took them years to recover, mentally and physically, which is the climb back down the mountain. Wish you a speedy recover though with all you are going through and really hope you listen to the advice posted by the others.
thanks bro, thankfully what I have is likely pretty mild. the doctor wants surgical removal as opposed to chemotherapy which leads me to believe there is currently a very low risk of it spreading or being deadly.
You’d need to be showing serious cachexia/weightloss OR lose more than 10% of your BW in response to like aids or cancer related cachexia.
90% of doctors will laugh you out of the room if you complain about your arms only being 15.5 inches, that’s above average for an adult male
If you’ve come down from a highly conditioned natural bodybuilder the weight loss is understandable
If you’ve lost 20lbs from a relatively normal baseline you could talk to an empathetic doctor about mere weight maintenance, noting adequate caloric intake is very difficult
You might receive assistance, but note there are many medical interventions one can take in order to maintain weight that don’t involve AAS. With a pituitary adenoma you might have secondary hypogonadism depending on the location of the tumour, in which case you have a very clear indication for TRT that most competent physicians won’t ignore.
TRT alone does help with these types of situations.
my doctor thought I was joking about losing all my gains. yeah, I’m going to a local trt clinic in the next few months to see what my options are. id like to avoid lifelong drug exposure if possible hence why i was going to do a few small sarms cycles to catch back up.