Thanks man. It’s a gift, ya know?
In what way?
And how do voter ID laws disenfranchise voters? This is so ridiculously silly.
This is something I’ve heard said often, but who are these people who don’t have ID’s, let alone a utility bill with their name on it? How hard is it for them to make it down to the DMV to get an ID? Surely not any harder than making it to a polling station in the first place.
The usual answer I hear from white liberals is “minorities”, but again, is there anyone in Chicago or Detroit who can’t hop on a bus and make it to the DMV? I realize minorities live elsewhere, but again, what are the circumstances where having an ID or a utility bill is out-of-reach but actually casting a ballot, even an absentee ballot, is not? Are people who go through life with no ID even engaged enough to care to vote?
Who are these people? What are they up to? How many would actually fall through the cracks of a system where we want to make sure you are who you say you are and only vote once?
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You need an ID to buy cough medicine at Target…
Oh, here’s a good one, I bought a can of air to clean my keyboard the other day. ID required. I could only guess as to why that is.
Iirc, you have to be over 16 to buy eggs around Halloween. I assume they require ID.
Buying a “Mature” video game (17+) guess what, you need ID.
Wanna vote people into office who can literally affect your life, nah, we’re good. Just show up.
I’m a registered independent. It makes no sense not to require ID to vote whether there is widespread fraud or not.
It was because of the store policy. You’ll notice a distinct difference if you try to do that on Amazon.
Same
This must be a MD thing lol. Or a store thing.
Same to the compressed air
I assume he is talking about Sudafed and in that case, I’m pretty sure that is a law… Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005
[Title VII of Public Law 109-177]
I agree, this is silly. I invite you to Google it.
They are usually poor, and minorities.
For many, very. The nearest place to get an ID can be miles away, and getting there can be prohibitively expensive for someone who doesn’t own a car (or has no money to spare for the gas required for the trip). Further, getting an ID may require presenting documents they simply don’t have, and would cost a significant (to them) chunk of change to acquire–assuming they know how to acquire one at all (a copy of a birth certificate, for example).
You’re looking at this backwards. The issue is not ‘Should states relax strict voter-ID laws that have always been in place?’ If such laws were longstanding, you could make the case that we need to keep them on the books (eg, you could argue that the lack of in-person voter fraud is because of the strict laws in place).
But of course, this is not the case. Instead, the issue is whether introducing strict voter-ID laws makes sense from a cost/benefit standpoint. And given the cost (= disenfranchisement) vs the benefit (preventing a literal handful of fraudulent in-person votes), the answer is clearly ‘no.’
tl;dr The issue is whether there is a compelling reason to start requiring voter ID, not whether there is compelling reason to stop requiring it.
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Of course. They can vote for an ID-delivery program so that they can fulfill their lifelong, and previously unachievable, goal of possessing a valid ID. With draconian voting restrictions like having to possess an ID to vote? Their dream of ID possession will be crushed.
To be fair, it’s probably twice as cost effective as Trump’s wall.
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Don’t do that. I could say the same to you. Give me factual evidence voters are being disenfranchised.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/7992/5-statistics-show-voter-id-not-racist-aaron-bandler
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You want factual evidence voters are being disenfranchised without having the ability to provide factual evidence that the new laws will impact the voter fraud nobody can seem to demonstrate exists?
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I don’t even understand why there is an argument here. There is no need to be reactive, I.E. wait for fraud and then act on it. And there is most certainly fraud, how wide spread it is is what is unknown. Dead people do vote, fake ID’s vote, etc.
Why should we wait until someone games the system with fake votes to act to prevent said fraud. Understanding still, that you will still have voter fraud but less of it.
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You need a credit card or a bank account to buy anything online and you have to prove who you are to get a credit card or open a bank account so…
No you don’t. Gift cards are easily purchased sans id. As are prepaid debit cards
One can do that, but can’t afford/figure out how to obtain a photo ID?
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I disagree. There are plenty of occasions where the law is lacking and for a long time. That doesn’t mean rectifying an inefficiency is wrong because there is no precedent. In the current political climate where both parties are known to do literally anything to win, lords knows the extent of outside influence on the election, etc… I don’t think requiring a ID to vote in order to help reduce the potential for fraud is a bad idea. Nor do I think it’s this awful burden for the roughly 3M people (less than 1% of the population) that don’t have a government ID.
We require a background check and a wait period to exercise the right to bear arms I don’t think requiring an ID vote is asking a whole lot.
The vast majority of online purchases are not made with pre-paid debit cards or gift cards. Come on.
Come on, man. People take their cash to Walmart so they can buy Amazon gift cards so they can buy cough syrup online without an ID. That’s common knowledge, shshh.
Who are these people? They sound like folks who are likely to be on public assistance of some sort. How’d they manage that?
Ok, so what if the disadvantaged received such cards through these assistance programs as part of their assistance?
Well my daughter can buy a gift card with cash at Kroger…
She’s 7
So is that the type of voter ID law you’re suggesting? One that can be circumvented with walmart and a 20?
I guess I don’t see the point
If that was the case, I’d vote Yes on it today.
They sell government issued IDs at Wal-mart?