^ this is a non-story. Yes, Dirk opted out. But it’s already common knowledge that he will most definitely resign with the Mavs.
Also, the latest juicy rumor I heard/read is that Bosh, James, and Wade met again and now it’s a “lock” (he he) that Bosh and James are going to go join Wade in Miami. As a Lakers fan looking to 3peat. This is the scenario that worries me the most…ah, not really. There’s no freakin way these two agree to join Wade on Miami. No freakin way. Too much ego.
Poor New Jersey. That Russian dude is gonna be mad disappointed this summer.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
You guys disappoint me. The latest news is that Dirk will apparently opt out of his contract with the Mavs. If Dirk is now in the so called ‘game’ he’s easily considered the second best free agent prospect behind LeBron James. Fuck Bosh, Johnson, A’mare. After watching PTI today I really like the idea of LBJ and Dirk going some place together. However I really doubt its going to happen because LeBron will probably want to be with his “boys”: Wade and/or Bosh.[/quote]
Just saw PTI myself. No, Kornheiser was just saying that HE thinks Dirk is the best free agent that could be a #2 guy. Because at this point in his career, Dirk would totally be #2 to win a title. He didn’t say Dirk was the 2nd best guy out there. And I don’t think the consensus does either.
Also on PTI, they mentioned that it’s a big possibility that LBJ, Wade and Bosh may play together in Miami under Riley. They’d be instant contenders, but all three would take a hit to their individual stats. Romour is, Wade is PUSHING for it to happen, too. I’d have imagined Wade would be intimidated by LeBron coming.
Maybe Dirk goes to NY to play with Johnson, Amare and get coached by D’Antoni. Could work, and NY has the money. And that team could be a contender, too provided they get half decent guys to join them.[/quote]
lol I didnt need PTI to convince me Dirk is the 2nd best free agent out there, I just learned today that hes likely to opt out and sign somewhere else.
And yes Dirk is the 2nd best free agent out there…not even close.
Get, some of the shit that comes up on the computer screen when you post is absolutely painful. I actually wonder if you write shit that’s so blatantly wrong just to stir shit up. The only other option is kind of sad.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Get, some of the shit that comes up on the computer screen when you post is absolutely painful. I actually wonder if you write shit that’s so blatantly wrong just to stir shit up. The only other option is kind of sad.[/quote]
x2!!! Dirk is better than Wade and Bosh? I dont believe that. Dirk is getting older.
.greg.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Get, some of the shit that comes up on the computer screen when you post is absolutely painful. I actually wonder if you write shit that’s so blatantly wrong just to stir shit up. The only other option is kind of sad.[/quote]
Um then how come NBA analysts are of the same opinion.
Look dude Dirk is much more valuable than Bosh. WTF has Bosh done to deserve being so highly praised. Wanker can’t even make the playoffs.
Out of all the free gents how many have been NBA MVP? LeBron and Dirk.
How many have been to the Finals? LeBron, Dirk, Wade.
Who would you rather have Dirk, Wade or Bosh? Dirk.
Who would have won a title had it not been for the refs? Dirk.
Who the fuck is a 7 foot 24 point per game jump shooting All-Star? Yeah, Dirk…
They’re different players, so different teams should prefer either Dirk or Bosh over the other. Even leaving their differing styles aside, I’d still take Bosh. At this point in their careers, BOTH should be great #2 guys on powerhouse teams.
Contrary to what many think and especially what many here in TO think, Bosh should NOT be leading a team. He doesn’t have “it”. He’d be much better taking the hit in stats and just being a 20-10 guy on a contender.
That said, when looking to sign a max deal, I don’t know why a team would take 32 year old Dirk over Bosh, who could feasibly improve in the next two years. When he’s 37 in the last year of his deal it’s a chance he deteriorates a lot.
And I’d rather have Wade than Dirk, too. Actually I’d rather build a team around Wade than LeBron, but that’s another matter.
bosh is overrated man. dirk is special, dudes like that dont come often at all. most unique player ive ever seen.
plus whats all this contempt for European and international players. int ballers know how to play team ball and win. kobe couldnt do shit until gasol came. spurs without manu…
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
That said, when looking to sign a max deal, I don’t know why a team would take 32 year old Dirk over Bosh, who could feasibly improve in the next two years. When he’s 37 in the last year of his deal it’s a chance he deteriorates a lot.
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I dont buy this. If you’re signing any of these free agents you’re looking to be a contender the next 2 seasons. If its season 3 and you have a team with a Bosh or Dirk as a Robin (to a Batman) and you still havnt won a championship the return on your investment is already negative; you’re not going to win a title with that team you made in '10.
These teams with all this salary room are essentially making ‘intelligent’ gambles. Once they pour all that money out for x and y they’re not going to be able to make any signifiant moves for years. If that team doesnt mesh then they fucked up.
We’ve already discussed this but having a LeBron and Wade duo doesn’t mean youre automatically gonna get a ring. What if they cant play together, what if the other players dont like them having all the possession, what if one gets injured?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
dirk is special[/quote]
PAUSE
And there’s no contempt for any non-American players. I’m a fuckin’ Canadian for Chrissakes.
Bosh isn’t as good as his stats from last year show, I agree. I also agree that he isn’t the guy to build your team around. But as a 20-10 guy on an already good team he’d be well worth the money. He’s a problem to conventional power forewords because of his unique skill set. If only he were tougher mentally and physically.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
That said, when looking to sign a max deal, I don’t know why a team would take 32 year old Dirk over Bosh, who could feasibly improve in the next two years. When he’s 37 in the last year of his deal it’s a chance he deteriorates a lot.
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I dont buy this. If you’re signing any of these free agents you’re looking to be a contender the next 2 seasons. If its season 3 and you have a team with a Bosh or Dirk as a Robin (to a Batman) and you still havnt won a championship the return on your investment is already negative; you’re not going to win a title with that team you made in '10.
These teams with all this salary room are essentially making ‘intelligent’ gambles. Once they pour all that money out for x and y they’re not going to be able to make any signifiant moves for years. If that team doesnt mesh then they fucked up.
We’ve already discussed this but having a LeBron and Wade duo doesn’t mean youre automatically gonna get a ring. What if they cant play together, what if the other players dont like them having all the possession, what if one gets injured?[/quote]
While this is definitely one of your more sober sounding posts, I have to disagree about these deals being just about the next 2 years. I don’t hink one title is the limit to a team’s aspirations if they are planning on having James/Wade + Bosh. They are definitely thinking multiple rings, and how well a player hold up in that 5 year deal matters.
Hell, even if it doesn’t work out Bosh being more likely to stay good over his contract means they could trade him later on.
And I never once said anything about Wade and LeBron playing well together. They are both alpha-males, and need to be the leaders and centre-pieces of their teams. One of those two and Bosh [or like you suggested, but to a lesser extent, Dirk] would work, because Bosh would let himself be #2-- no matter what he said off the cuff in an interview that he didn’t think anyone would really care about.
All Im saying is that if I was Chicago and I could choose between a Dirk and a Bosh, I would choose a Dirk.
If Im Miami I sign Dirk to play with Wade. I already have a mediocre Bosh in Beasley.
If Im New Jersey I already have a potential Bosh in Favours. Im bringing in Dirk because my coach already coached him before with success and my PG has played with him.
If I’m New York Im 50/50 on Bosh and Dirk. But I probably like Dirk better because hes won before.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
While this is definitely one of your more sober sounding posts, I have to disagree about these deals being just about the next 2 years. I don’t hink one title is the limit to a team’s aspirations if they are planning on having James/Wade + Bosh. They are definitely thinking multiple rings, and how well a player hold up in that 5 year deal matters.
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You really think a LeBron/Wade + Bosh combo is scary? Thats like a poor mans version of Kobe + Gasol.
EDIT: However LeBron/Wade+ Bosh in Chicago or NJ (not NY or Miami) with good foundations would be awesome. But I say a LeBron/Wade + Dirk still would own.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
bosh is overrated man. dirk is special, dudes like that dont come often at all. most unique player ive ever seen.
plus whats all this contempt for European and international players. int ballers know how to play team ball and win. kobe couldnt do shit until gasol came. spurs without manu…[/quote]
Their career stats are damn near identical, with Dirk averaging ONE bucket more, and Bosh averaging one more board. Dirk’s a 23&8 guy, Bosh is a 22&10 guy most years. There are quite a few guys with very similar stats to Dirk, they just do it closer to the bucket. Just 'cause he shoots a ton of 20 footers while others stay on the block doesn’t make him “better” or “special”, it makes him just as valuable as the others. Dirk has AWLAYS had a good [if not great] team around him, but he gets pushed around in the playoffs. Go ahead and fastforward to 40 seconds for proof-
Bosh has played on a consistently bad team yet keeps 'em in the hunt. Dirk is probably top 5 in the FA sweepstakes, but he’s certainly not #2, and like I’ve said countless times now he’s staying in Dallas.
Bosh plays on bad teams? Yeah cuse hes in em.
Dirk is the reason Dallas has been so good.
So what if there numbers are similar, Melos numbers were similar to Kobes in the reg season this year. That means nothing. If you use numbers youre saying Bosh was better this year/last year than Gasol.
Some players are just more valuable than others flash. They know how to win and they take over games.
Dirk has done shit in his career, Bosh hasnt.
Plus Dirks going to the Hall, I’d be surprised if Bosh makes it.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Bosh plays on bad teams? Yeah cuse hes in em.
Dirk is the reason Dallas has been so good.
So what if there numbers are similar, Melos numbers were similar to Kobes in the reg season this year. That means nothing. If you use numbers youre saying Bosh was better this year/last year than Gasol.
Some players are just more valuable than others flash. They know how to win and they take over games.
Dirk has done shit in his career, Bosh hasnt.[/quote]
You really cannot be this dense. There is no way you’re not trolling. There’s just no way.
Dude you really think Chris Bosh is better than Dirk Nowitzki?
Yeah I guess the MVP, and winning % dont mean anything.
You’d make a weak GM man…
EDIT: And man you gotta stop with saying im a troll B.S, im not.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Dude you really think Chris Bosh is better than Dirk Nowitzki?
Yeah I guess the MVP, and winning % dont mean anything.
You’d make a weak GM man…
EDIT: And man you gotta stop with saying im a troll B.S, im not.[/quote]
Once you stop trolling I’ll stop calling you out. Make a weak GM? Motherfucker everyone on here is telling you you’re an idiot every time you say something. Winning percentage has to do with the TEAM you play for. Dirk has Mark Cuban behind the scene getting great piece after great piece. And, didn’t they get upset this year? And last? And the year before that? Bosh has Andrea Bargnani. His starting center is named after a fucking woman for christsakes, and plays like her namesake. Dirk can play, but the year he won MVP it shoulda gone to Bryant, and he’s not near as clutch as you keep saying. Get the Dirkvienerschnitzel out of your mouth and open your eyes dude.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Get, some of the shit that comes up on the computer screen when you post is absolutely painful. I actually wonder if you write shit that’s so blatantly wrong just to stir shit up. The only other option is kind of sad.[/quote]
Um then how come NBA analysts are of the same opinion.
Look dude Dirk is much more valuable than Bosh. WTF has Bosh done to deserve being so highly praised. Wanker can’t even make the playoffs.
Out of all the free gents how many have been NBA MVP? LeBron and Dirk.
How many have been to the Finals? LeBron, Dirk, Wade.
Who would you rather have Dirk, Wade or Bosh? Dirk.
Who would have won a title had it not been for the refs? Dirk.
Who the fuck is a 7 foot 24 point per game jump shooting All-Star? Yeah, Dirk…[/quote]
who’s actually won a title Dirk of Wade? Wade.
you keep leaving wade out of this discussion when its convenient for your argument. No one thinks that Bosh is going to be the centerpiece of a NBA team and they’re going to win a bunch of rings. But his game would mesh with another "superstar"s game better I.E. Lebron or Wade.
.greg.