I personally think we’ll see a different Heat team when they are well rested. I know fatigue/grinding it out isn’t the only issue with the Heat, but I think it’s a main one.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I personally think we’ll see a different Heat team when they are well rested. I know fatigue/grinding it out isn’t the only issue with the Heat, but I think it’s a main one.[/quote]
Yup.
Miami will still beat the Bulls in a 7 game series.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
The more I watch Bynum play, the less I like him. He honestly doesn’t do much well other than being massive and he has a terrible attitude. Don’t think he’ll ever be more than he is at the moment 'cause he doesn’t know how to get out of his own way.[/quote]
Yet again, WF taking a dubious claim and running too far with it…
Let’s compare current 2011-12 stats from the league’s top centers, shall we:
Bynnum - 18.4 pts / 12.2 reb / 2.0 blk / .564 FGs / .678 FTs / 2.5 TOs
Howard - 20.4 pts / 14.5 reb / 2.2 blk / .573 FGs / .491 FTs / 3.2 TOs
Sure, we can attribute much of these stats to being massive and playing close to the basket, per the position. And most of them are a wash.
But let’s do focus in on that FT% - note how one player (Bynum) can be a reliable end-game option out there, while the other (Howard) remains a liability at the offensive end in end-game situations.
Point being: the claim that Bynum is simply a big body out there is actually a MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE description of D Howard, actually. Go figure.
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Why is that a dubious claim? These are the supposed two best centers in the league playing in a league with no other centers and those are the best stats they can muster. And, as SCJ pointed out shooting 68% from the foul line doesn’t make one a reliable end of game option. And, what’s it matter that he shoots close to 70% from the line if there’s a fairly solid chance he’ll get himself tossed before the game gets there?
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
No reason to calm down…Other than Irving, why shouldnt he get some votes as ROY? I didnt say win it, I said get some notice. Knight, Walker, Thomas and Brooks all play for horrendous teams, Shump has been one of the main reasons the Knicks are looking good for the playoffs…if shumpert got the same PT on those poor teams he would put up similar stats.
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I hate that line of thinking. Why should someone get votes for an award if we know they don’t deserve to win it? The whole “he should be mentioned in the discussion even though he shouldn’t win it” argument really annoys me (you see it a lot with MVP discussions in every sport). It’s basically just fans of a certain team wanting people to talk more about their guys.
That being said, you can’t rule out people who you haven’t seen play. Shumpert has nowhere NEAR the offensive game of Kyrie Irving, on any team, sorry bro. No matter which team you play on, bad or good, you have to put up those stats against NBA defenders. Irving runs the pick and roll like a 5-year vet, from the couple of games I’ve seen of him. It’s downright scary. Shumpert would NOT put up a 19/4/6 with 47% / 41% / 87% shooting splits on any team, period.
Saying Shump isn’t in the running for ROY doesn’t mean he’s not a good player, but there’s actually a much better crop of rookies this year than people thought of. Isaiah Thomas on the Kings has been awesome since starting, Kenneth Faried is doing things for Denver that they badly need, Kawhi Leonard getting serious run for the #1 or 2 seed in the West.
Also if you want to talk young guards defense, have you seen Avery Bradley? Holy crap (he’s a 2nd year player but still).[/quote]
When Bradley was in highschool I thought he had the potential to be Westbrook 2.0. He’s not quite as athletic or offensive minded but he’s a MUCH better man defender, and has some pretty serious upside. Kind of seems like they’re grooming him to take over for Rondo when he leaves, however that happens.[/quote]
I think they’re grooming him to take over for Allen. The Rondo-Bradley backcourt has somehow been monstrously effective so far despite the lack of shooting. And it’s incredibly disruptive defensively to have them both out there.
You’re right on with Westbrook… his size/athleticism has made him overrated as a man defender. Gambles too often and isn’t that good at it.[/quote]
You could be right. Was gonna say they’ll need a bigger point, but Rondo’s wingspan is something retarded [like 7’] so he plays way bigger than his height.
Meant to tell y’all that I found a site that shows EVERY game going, and I mean EVERY GAME. You wanna watch Euro league? They got that. College? Yup. D-League? Yessir. Watched the Lakers the other night and they were also listing the Australian league finals. Not just ball either. Pretty much any organized sport you can think of.
Check it out.
RE: Heat vs. Bulls last night…
First off, if Watson doesn’t hit a miraculous three that has a 1 in 10 chance of going in, no one is talking about the Heat’s clutch issues.
Secondly, the Heat’s biggest problem is that 60 games into the season they haven’t settled into a rotation yet. Who are their 4th and 5th best players? Anyone wanna answer that? Bueller? Spo deserves SOME blame but honestly his center options are Anthony(stonehands)/Turiaf(blah, plus fouls a lot)/Howard(old)/Haslem (can’t hit a J this year), his wings are Miller (not good) and James (not good), his PGs are Chalmers/Cole who both show flashes of brilliance with stretches of incredible blandness. It’s hard to totally blame Spo for not knowing who his top 8 guys are given that talent level.
Everyone loved the Battier signing, hate to break it up to you but he’s about washed up.
Thirdly, am I the only one worried the Rose was benched at the end of 4th and all of OT, and furthermore that the Bulls were BETTER without him? If that was LBJ on the bench the internet would explode. We need our best player to actually be an asset. I know he’s rusty and all but he needs to start trusting his teammates more, he was taking it himself too much.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
RE: Heat vs. Bulls last night…
First off, if Watson doesn’t hit a miraculous three that has a 1 in 10 chance of going in, no one is talking about the Heat’s clutch issues.
Secondly, the Heat’s biggest problem is that 60 games into the season they haven’t settled into a rotation yet. Who are their 4th and 5th best players? Anyone wanna answer that? Bueller? Spo deserves SOME blame but honestly his center options are Anthony(stonehands)/Turiaf(blah, plus fouls a lot)/Howard(old)/Haslem (can’t hit a J this year), his wings are Miller (not good) and James (not good), his PGs are Chalmers/Cole who both show flashes of brilliance with stretches of incredible blandness. It’s hard to totally blame Spo for not knowing who his top 8 guys are given that talent level.
Everyone loved the Battier signing, hate to break it up to you but he’s about washed up.
Thirdly, am I the only one worried the Rose was benched at the end of 4th and all of OT, and furthermore that the Bulls were BETTER without him? If that was LBJ on the bench the internet would explode. We need our best player to actually be an asset. I know he’s rusty and all but he needs to start trusting his teammates more, he was taking it himself too much.[/quote]
That missed FT by James(and maybe even the possession that led up to it by Wade) would still be scrutinized in a ‘win.’ I put that in quotes because the storyline would have become, “Well Rose clearly isn’t himself, and the Bulls still took the Heat down to the wire with a chance to force OT because of James missing a free throw and disappearing for all of the final 5 minutes save his corner 3.”
Even this morning, listening to a little Mike&Mike while driving, people were railing on James for playing point in the final 5 minutes and ‘letting’ D-Wade be the focus of the offense(which is silly, as if this isn’t actually the gameplan being told to him by his coach, I’m not sure how people still fault him for this, especially in games where Wade ends up not pulling through it’s still James fault). Wade was great during that stretch so people held back from going as far as they have before, but in OT they kept up that gameplan and got nothing, so this morning people are saying(and with pretty good justification, I’m not defending the missed FT) that James has 100%(yes, one hundred percent) of the blame.
As for the rest of the post about their team as a whole and not just breaking down the game, I generally agree with all of your assessment. It’s not Spo’s fault that they have one of the worst benches in the league, and certainly the worst amongst playoff teams. Every player on that bench seems to catch fire in a bottle randomly which makes a lot of people hold back from noticing how bad they really are on a consistent basis; that’s probably going to kill them in the playoffs(especially with the way Boston seems to have risen from the ashes, I’m steadily moving them towards co-favorites with Chi/Mia to take the East).
I wrote this post pretty hastily and it’s kind of a lot of random thought, sorry about that.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Thirdly, am I the only one worried the Rose was benched at the end of 4th and all of OT, and furthermore that the Bulls were BETTER without him? If that was LBJ on the bench the internet would explode. We need our best player to actually be an asset. I know he’s rusty and all but he needs to start trusting his teammates more, he was taking it himself too much.[/quote]
Except it gets spun into praise for Thibadeau for not being afraid to bench his best player.
But no I don’t think you should be worried, everything about LBJ gets blown out of proportion good or bad. If his poor play continues and he’s benched in the 4th quarter/OT a few games from now I would worry.
Remember when we had all these concerns about Miami in the regular season last year and they took care of every team in the East in 5 games?
That’s why I’m not worked up about all this nonsense about the Heat.
They don’t get frazzled until they are at a point where they are about to lose an important playoff game. Game 1 in chicago last year didn’t hurt their psyche because they knew they only needed to take 1 of 2 in CHI and they’d be favored. If they had home court and had lost that game though, and the series actually was in jeopardy, I think they would’ve folded then.
The only thing that matters with Miami IMO is whether their D and transition game, and the production of their stars, can overwhelm you early enough in the series that it gets in your head… we can’t answer whether that will happen until the playoffs actually start.
Currently LAL and DAL are lined up to face each other in round 1.
Do you guys think DAL could beat LAL in a 7 game series?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Currently LAL and DAL are lined up to face each other in round 1.
Do you guys think DAL could beat LAL in a 7 game series?[/quote]
Could? Yes. Likely? No. The Mavs are a mess right now. We haven’t had a full squad together for more than a few games at a time due to injuries, and they’ve been playing like shit lately even with Kidd back. At least the Lamar Odom crap is over.
Can you guys believe he left Dallas wearing a Lakers championship t shirt? What a worthless, mentally weak asshole. I wish I could sign an $8 million contract and then just decide I don’t want to work anymore and still get paid.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Thirdly, am I the only one worried the Rose was benched at the end of 4th and all of OT, and furthermore that the Bulls were BETTER without him? If that was LBJ on the bench the internet would explode. We need our best player to actually be an asset. I know he’s rusty and all but he needs to start trusting his teammates more, he was taking it himself too much.[/quote]
Not at all worried about Rose being benched. It was a good move, and he knows it himself. He’s gonna need a few games, or more, to really get into stride, especially with Hamilton. I mean, people know, record-wise, how much better the Bulls are with Rose… their W/L are around 4:1 as opposed to 2:1 without him, and points slightly higher.
Lakers now 4-1 without Kobe.
Build around Bynum?
/endtrolling
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lakers now 4-1 without Kobe.
Build around Bynum?
/endtrolling[/quote]
Damn bro. I thought that fire went out. Way to fan the flames again lol.
Going to see Heat play Nets tonight in Newark. Hope it’s interesting…
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lakers now 4-1 without Kobe.
Build around Bynum?
/endtrolling[/quote]
Damn bro. I thought that fire went out. Way to fan the flames again lol.
Going to see Heat play Nets tonight in Newark. Hope it’s interesting…[/quote]
I was watching the Angels-Yankees game last night and in the crowd was Wade and Tebow. They initially booed Wade since the Heat beat the Knicks but eventually cheered once he raised his yankee cap in the air.
Haha oh man I can’t believe Kris “Ex-Kardashian” Humphries is dominating the Heat right now.
OH SHIT! LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!!!
17 consecutive points in under 5 minutes IN THE 4th QUARTER! YES, this is what we’ve been waiting for from you LeBron James.
I REPEAT: LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!
But LeBron did travel on that nasty tomahawk at the start of the game… LOL
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
OH SHIT! LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!!!
17 consecutive points in under 5 minutes IN THE 4th QUARTER! YES, this is what we’ve been waiting for from you LeBron James.
I REPEAT: LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!
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LOL, it doesn’t count against a team as horrible as the Nets.
I was fuckin pissed beyond belief that I spent a $110 per ticket and didn’t even get to see Wade play. Or Deron.
I had good seats though and the game was close so at least that made up for it. I snapped a few pics while there. Well, my wife took most of them so they’re mostly Lebron and Humphries because she thinks they’re both hot.
Here’s the tomahawk. It’s blurry because she was messing with the focus ring thinking it was the zoom:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
OH SHIT! LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!!!
17 consecutive points in under 5 minutes IN THE 4th QUARTER! YES, this is what we’ve been waiting for from you LeBron James.
I REPEAT: LEBRON CLOSED A GAME!
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LOL, it doesn’t count against a team as horrible as the Nets.
I was fuckin pissed beyond belief that I spent a $110 per ticket and didn’t even get to see Wade play. Or Deron.
I had good seats though and the game was close so at least that made up for it. I snapped a few pics while there. Well, my wife took most of them so they’re mostly Lebron and Humphries because she thinks they’re both hot.
Here’s the tomahawk. It’s blurry because she was messing with the focus ring thinking it was the zoom:
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Touche but at least he showed us why he’s the best player in the game right now.
I forgot you went, looks like you had good seats.