NBA 2011-2012 Season Thread 2

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Kobe always seems to have something wrong with him[/quote]

That’s my point. He tears tendons in his shooting hand on both his finger and his wrist and not only does he not miss a single game, he leads the league in scoring. He has knee injuries that literally anyone else in the league sits out the year for, and he wins a title. The guy has outlasted every single one of his contemporaries, and at 33 with his mileage he’s still kicking everyone’s ass.[/quote]

He plays up his injuries like nobody else. And the only reason he’s leading the league in scoring is because he’s become a chucker. Worst FG% of his career by far. He needs to take a back seat to Bynum if the Lakers are going to make it anywhere in the playoffs, but his massive ego and hero complex won’t allow that.[/quote]

Dude, you’ve proven time and again you have no idea what you’re talking about in regards to basketball. You’re just a notch below Get in that regard. HE HAS TORN LIGAMENTS IN HIS SHOOTING WRIST. His shooting % has actually steadily climbed throughout the year, and he still gets his WHENEVER HE WANTS. Defer to Bynum? The same guy who gets himself ejected from games 'cause he’s frustrated he’s getting shutdown and over half of his offensive production is a result of Bryant creating for him. That Bynum? Go back to believing the Mavs had a chance after losing Chandler and that Jeremy Lin is a perennial All-Star and top 5 pg and I’ll go back to knowing basketball.[/quote]

Dude, you’ve proven wrong time and time again by facts, stats, player interviews and everything else and you still think your OPINIONS are facts. You don’t even make any points, you state an opinion and tell everybody else they are wrong because they “don’t know basketball.”

I already posted I don’t believe the Mavs are contenders. Keep believing Kobe is anything but a chucker at this point in his career. Your man love for the guy is getting borderline homosexual at this point.

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Facts? Hit me with one single fact and we’ll talk. All you do is post retarded opinions that anyone here with half a brain disagrees with. You say Bryant “plays up his injuries”, but have you actually ever heard him admit he’s hurt? NO. He says he’s fine and goes about his business. Stats? He’s leading the league in scoring WITH TORN LIGAMENTS in his wrist and finger on his shooting hand, and the stats show that his %'s are steadily climbing.

Your mancrush James banged his pinky a couple of years ago and missed a week. Bryant dislocated his finger the same week and didn’t miss a game. That’s a fact. 4 straight 40+ games with torn ligaments in his shooting wrist. That’s a fact. 5th all tome in scoring. That’s a fact. I could go on but I’m tired of you embarrassingly yourself. Your dislike of the guy is fine, but when you’re continuously wrong and are just hating for the sake of hating you look like an ass.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Carter jumped higher, dunked harder and was more acrobatic than anyone we’ve ever seen. Bryant is a close second, but VC is on his own level. I would’ve loved to have seen Bryant and Carter go at it in the dunk contest in their primes. Bryant was doing things no one had ever seen before, he just didn’t care to enter after he won. I loved Webber’s game, but he wasn’t on the same level as Barkley, Stoudamire, Kemp or Larry Nance.[/quote]

WF makes no attempt to hide his love of Olajuwon and Bryant, but this done gone too far.

Granted, VC is in any conversation re: athleticism but to put Bryant ahead of Jordan is simply wrong. Nowadays, we mostly remember the late-career Jordan who could do what he wanted on the low-block and who’s jumper was automatic. And we tend to forget the hyper-athletic Jordan before he developed that jumper; you know, the Jordan that routinely dunked on people en route to 37.1ppg (!) while also mixing in a DPOY as a perimeter defender. Or the Jordan who made the dunk contest what it was (co-props to Dominique, as well). Bryant was an amazing athlete but had NOWHERE near the explosiveness as MJ. Pretty positive Bryant never dunked from the FT line neither and if that doesn’t reflect pure athleticism, then nothing does.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
There is no fucking way Ron Artest can bench 460 lbs. NO FUCKING WAY. Also, that James vid was a staged advertisement. Those were fake plates.[/quote]

We can prob take this further and say that no NBA player has benched 460lbs EVER. Tall and lanky seems like the worst body structure for any kind of big bench.

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Facts:

Kobe has scored 39 more points than Durant this season. He has taken 221 more shots.

Out of the top 15 scorers in the league this season, Kobe has the 2nd worst FG%

Kobe’s FG% is the worst since his first season as a starter.

Nobody cares where he ranks all time, he is clearly a chucker today. If Lebron or Durant took as many shots as Kobe they’d be averaging 35ppg. Bynum is having a career year in every single statistical category and is clearly the future of the Lakers. If he was allowed 5 more shots per game the Lakers might be legitimate contenders. Instead they are going live and die by Kobe’s chucking as the poor dude desperately tries to stay relevant.

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I found the 460lb bench number from another site which I’m not allowed to post here, but the actual number itself is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.

I don’t think Artest on the whole is all that athletic but I think his strength should play a part in determining HOW athletic he is. I used Artest and Durant as opposite extremes on the strength scale within the NBA.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Carter jumped higher, dunked harder and was more acrobatic than anyone we’ve ever seen. Bryant is a close second, but VC is on his own level. I would’ve loved to have seen Bryant and Carter go at it in the dunk contest in their primes. Bryant was doing things no one had ever seen before, he just didn’t care to enter after he won. I loved Webber’s game, but he wasn’t on the same level as Barkley, Stoudamire, Kemp or Larry Nance.[/quote]

WF makes no attempt to hide his love of Olajuwon and Bryant, but this done gone too far.

Granted, VC is in any conversation re: athleticism but to put Bryant ahead of Jordan is simply wrong. Nowadays, we mostly remember the late-career Jordan who could do what he wanted on the low-block and who’s jumper was automatic. And we tend to forget the hyper-athletic Jordan before he developed that jumper; you know, the Jordan that routinely dunked on people en route to 37.1ppg (!) while also mixing in a DPOY as a perimeter defender. Or the Jordan who made the dunk contest what it was (co-props to Dominique, as well). Bryant was an amazing athlete but had NOWHERE near the explosiveness as MJ. Pretty positive Bryant never dunked from the FT line neither and if that doesn’t reflect pure athleticism, then nothing does.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
There is no fucking way Ron Artest can bench 460 lbs. NO FUCKING WAY. Also, that James vid was a staged advertisement. Those were fake plates.[/quote]

We can prob take this further and say that no NBA player has benched 460lbs EVER. Tall and lanky seems like the worst body structure for any kind of big bench.

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We’ve discussed this. Jordan was far and away the most athletic guy in his day. By the time Bryant started the comp was significantly bigger, stronger and faster. And, for all of the absolutely ridiculous shit Jordan did, he never windmilled or 360’d in traffic. But Bryant did. Also, the foul line dunk is awesome, but there’s footage of Bryant in the Philippines in '98 putting his elbow in the rim (2 years before Carter) and doing behind the back 360’s. I believe Jordan could’ve put his elbow in the rim, but he DEFINITELY wasn’t doing behind the back 360’s.

I do agree about the bench thing. Gary Trent was reportedly able to bench 5-hundo, but of course there’s no footage. Think people just toss around crazy numbers to illustrate their point when they don’t really know what they’re talking about, like with crazy vert #'s and such.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
Facts:

Kobe has scored 39 more points than Durant this season. He has taken 221 more shots.

Out of the top 15 scorers in the league this season, Kobe has the 2nd worst FG%

Kobe’s FG% is the worst since his first season as a starter.

Nobody cares where he ranks all time, he is clearly a chucker today. If Lebron or Durant took as many shots as Kobe they’d be averaging 35ppg. Bynum is having a career year in every single statistical category and is clearly the future of the Lakers. If he was allowed 5 more shots per game the Lakers might be legitimate contenders. Instead they are going live and die by Kobe’s chucking as the poor dude desperately tries to stay relevant. [/quote]

FOR THE LAST TIME, HE’S PLAYING WITH TORN LIGAMENTS IN HIS SHOOTING WRIST. That would affect anyone’s shot. But, he’s going to the bucket more to compensate. And, if you think Bynum should be their focal point you’re out of your mind. He gets two shots blocked and gets a tech 'cause he can’t just focus on the game. That’s ignoring the fact that he just plain doesn’t have the skill to be the #1 option on any team, let alone one with the best player of the last 15 years.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Facts:

Kobe has scored 39 more points than Durant this season. He has taken 221 more shots.

Out of the top 15 scorers in the league this season, Kobe has the 2nd worst FG%

Kobe’s FG% is the worst since his first season as a starter.

Nobody cares where he ranks all time, he is clearly a chucker today. If Lebron or Durant took as many shots as Kobe they’d be averaging 35ppg. Bynum is having a career year in every single statistical category and is clearly the future of the Lakers. If he was allowed 5 more shots per game the Lakers might be legitimate contenders. Instead they are going live and die by Kobe’s chucking as the poor dude desperately tries to stay relevant. [/quote]

FOR THE LAST TIME, HE’S PLAYING WITH TORN LIGAMENTS IN HIS SHOOTING WRIST. That would affect anyone’s shot. But, he’s going to the bucket more to compensate. And, if you think Bynum should be their focal point you’re out of your mind. He gets two shots blocked and gets a tech 'cause he can’t just focus on the game. That’s ignoring the fact that he just plain doesn’t have the skill to be the #1 option on any team, let alone one with the best player of the last 15 years.[/quote]

His wrist has been fine since early February. Now that your entire argument is shot, can you admit that he is a chucker?

Even if he was still hurt, why would you hurt your team by jacking up terrible shots knowing you are injured when you’ve got a C and a PF who are both shooting great %s? It’s not like he has no other option.

Kobe cares more about his stats, reputation and legacy than the team, and this is obvious.

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I heard a few years ago Early Boykins can bench 315 at 5’9" 140, that was pretty impressive

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If you have strength, it gives you some degree of athleticism.

If you have athleticism, the territory gives you a certain degree of strength.

Combine the two and you have the kind of player that dominates. To steal a cliche, its a 1 + 1 = 3 situation.

You can see it at work in the NBL (Australian league) where you have guys that are strong (most prominent your 4 and 5’s), guys that are athletic (usually your 1, 2 & 3s) and your guys who are strong and athletic (the guys that dominate the league year after year).

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NZ Breakers 2012 champs baby. Fuck Perth.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
NZ Breakers 2012 champs baby. Fuck Perth.[/quote]

Oh shit! No you didn’t!

Perth in 2 :slight_smile:

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We have Cedric Jackson and CJ Bruton. Shame Abercrombie may not be 100% for the series but we still have Perth’s number, especially with the home court advantage. We’re just too deep and too good to lose to the ‘Wildcats.’

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Im going to have a heart attack with this fucking game

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looks like it could have been a chance at a 4 pt play…lets go D!

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'Melo!

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Shumperts defense on Rose down the stretch was fucking spectacular

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Yeah he’s definitely a shoe in for All-Defensive team.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Yeah he’s definitely a shoe in for All-Defensive team.[/quote]

You crack me up

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So what do you guys thInk of Odom? Will be picked up by another team? Is his career over?

As someone who loves using Dallas online in NBA 2k12 I’m going to miss him lol