No one is saying VC isn’t special. VC is special and probably the best NBA dunker of all-time but there are a lot of guys that can jump high.
Carmelo said afterward how impressive it is that Tyson Chandler is doing this with a fractured hand. Knicks quickly deny that. We’ll see.
LeBron is absolutely the most athletic RELATIVE TO HIS SIZE, but that is different than most athletic period.
I just watched some old C-Webb highlights and he was not quite as athletic as I remember.
Kemp is my PF. For a second I thought about Griffin, he can dunk with Kemp but Kemp was faster and could run the floor with the ball.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
LeBron is absolutely the most athletic RELATIVE TO HIS SIZE, but that is different than most athletic period.[/quote]
But strength is a component of athleticism.
All that size should equate to strength.
Looks like he is inclining benching around 300lbs. Hard to tell though
Greg Oden sold his Portland condo because he can’t walk up two flights of stairs.
http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?Odens-agent-explains-clients-disconnect-=1
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Greg Oden sold his Portland condo because he can’t walk up two flights of stairs.
http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?Odens-agent-explains-clients-disconnect-=1[/quote]
So I guess his career is done?
Setting aside Lebron for a second, say you were interested in forming an opinion on Ron Artest’s and Kevin Durant’s athleticism.
Would the fact that he can bench 460lbs increase improve your opinion on his athleticism?
Conversely, if you were to form an opinion on Durant’s athleticism, would his inability to bench 185lb at the combine hinder your opinion on his athleticism?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Setting aside Lebron for a second, say you were interested in forming an opinion on Ron Artest’s and Kevin Durant’s athleticism.
Would the fact that he can bench 460lbs increase improve your opinion on his athleticism?
Conversely, if you were to form an opinion on Durant’s athleticism, would his inability to bench 185lb at the combine hinder your opinion on his athleticism?[/quote]
There is no fucking way Ron Artest can bench 460 lbs. NO FUCKING WAY. Also, that James vid was a staged advertisement. Those were fake plates.
I wouldnt say strength is equal athleticism, however you cant be completely deficient in one area. RonRon is a strong dude, but i would say KD is more athletic. Just watching him (KD) play he’s more fluid with with his motions despite not being that strong. KD’s game is just smooth
Some of those Kemp dunks rival Nique
Sad about Oden, same bowie 2.0
Back his baldness, i had the “privilege” of watching literally every game he played in Cleveland, he stands even with guys listed at 6’10’‘-11’’ and looked like he had the same muscle mass as Ben Wallace. Freak
Or setting aside the NBA for a second, say you were interested in forming an opinion on the athleticism of IFBB Roelly Winklaar.
Would the fact that he is performing a backflip with stats of 5’6 @ 230lb make a difference to you?
Or is a backflip just a backflip regardless if it’s performed by 5’10 150lber vs a 5’6 230lber?
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Setting aside Lebron for a second, say you were interested in forming an opinion on Ron Artest’s and Kevin Durant’s athleticism.
Would the fact that he can bench 460lbs increase improve your opinion on his athleticism?
Conversely, if you were to form an opinion on Durant’s athleticism, would his inability to bench 185lb at the combine hinder your opinion on his athleticism?[/quote]
There is no fucking way Ron Artest can bench 460 lbs. NO FUCKING WAY. Also, that James vid was a staged advertisement. Those were fake plates.[/quote]
You don’t know if they were fake, but I’ll admit they could be.
It doesn’t matter, it would be silly to think he is not strong especially than who you put at #1 - T-Mac.
Instead of Artest sub in Dwight howard
He’s benching 315lb with little effort.
Does his strength play a role in determining athleticism?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Setting aside Lebron for a second, say you were interested in forming an opinion on Ron Artest’s and Kevin Durant’s athleticism.
Would the fact that he can bench 460lbs increase improve your opinion on his athleticism?
Conversely, if you were to form an opinion on Durant’s athleticism, would his inability to bench 185lb at the combine hinder your opinion on his athleticism?[/quote]
There is no fucking way Ron Artest can bench 460 lbs. NO FUCKING WAY. Also, that James vid was a staged advertisement. Those were fake plates.[/quote]
You don’t know if they were fake, but I’ll admit they could be.
It doesn’t matter, it would be silly to think he is not strong especially than who you put at #1 - T-Mac.
Instead of Artest sub in Dwight howard
He’s benching 315lb with little effort.
Does his strength play a role in determining athleticism?
[/quote]
Jesus Raj, those are bumper plates. Notice how they look thinner than normal? That’s no more than 245lbs. And, of course strength is a component of athleticism. But, in Artest’s case that’s all he has, and he’s not near as strong as claimed. He isn’t quick, or agile and can’t jump for shit. McGrady was quick, fast, could jump and was stronger than he looked. There’s a vid of him benching a Legit 225 for 5, and while not crazy that’s fairly impressive for a 6’9" dude with really long arms.
We’re discussing all of this, but what’s sad is watching those old videos of VC and watching him play now. It’s just amazing the drop off that comes with age. Although there is something to be said for the old guys still in the league. Juwann Howard, VC, and even steve nash; although nash is more of a mental game at this point, but he’s still quick.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
We’re discussing all of this, but what’s sad is watching those old videos of VC and watching him play now. It’s just amazing the drop off that comes with age. Although there is something to be said for the old guys still in the league. Juwann Howard, VC, and even steve nash; although nash is more of a mental game at this point, but he’s still quick. [/quote]
Don’t remember if it was his knees or ankles, but Carter had a few injuries that put some wear and tear on him and he seemed to lose that fire. Bash had a broken foot or hand at one point but think he’s been pretty lucky in regards to injury. And, his game obviously never relied as much on athleticism as Carter’s did. That’s one of the things that’s so impressive about Bryant to me. He’s had some injuries that put most dudes on the shelf, but all they’ve made him do is work harder to stay on top.
Kobe always seems to have something wrong with him
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Kobe always seems to have something wrong with him[/quote]
That’s my point. He tears tendons in his shooting hand on both his finger and his wrist and not only does he not miss a single game, he leads the league in scoring. He has knee injuries that literally anyone else in the league sits out the year for, and he wins a title. The guy has outlasted every single one of his contemporaries, and at 33 with his mileage he’s still kicking everyone’s ass.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Kobe always seems to have something wrong with him[/quote]
That’s my point. He tears tendons in his shooting hand on both his finger and his wrist and not only does he not miss a single game, he leads the league in scoring. He has knee injuries that literally anyone else in the league sits out the year for, and he wins a title. The guy has outlasted every single one of his contemporaries, and at 33 with his mileage he’s still kicking everyone’s ass.[/quote]
He plays up his injuries like nobody else. And the only reason he’s leading the league in scoring is because he’s become a chucker. Worst FG% of his career by far. He needs to take a back seat to Bynum if the Lakers are going to make it anywhere in the playoffs, but his massive ego and hero complex won’t allow that.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Kobe always seems to have something wrong with him[/quote]
That’s my point. He tears tendons in his shooting hand on both his finger and his wrist and not only does he not miss a single game, he leads the league in scoring. He has knee injuries that literally anyone else in the league sits out the year for, and he wins a title. The guy has outlasted every single one of his contemporaries, and at 33 with his mileage he’s still kicking everyone’s ass.[/quote]
He plays up his injuries like nobody else. And the only reason he’s leading the league in scoring is because he’s become a chucker. Worst FG% of his career by far. He needs to take a back seat to Bynum if the Lakers are going to make it anywhere in the playoffs, but his massive ego and hero complex won’t allow that.[/quote]
Dude, you’ve proven time and again you have no idea what you’re talking about in regards to basketball. You’re just a notch below Get in that regard. HE HAS TORN LIGAMENTS IN HIS SHOOTING WRIST. His shooting % has actually steadily climbed throughout the year, and he still gets his WHENEVER HE WANTS.
Defer to Bynum? The same guy who gets himself ejected from games 'cause he’s frustrated he’s getting shutdown and over half of his offensive production is a result of Bryant creating for him? That Bynum? Go back to believing the Mavs had a chance after losing Chandler and that Jeremy Lin is a perennial All-Star and top 5 pg and I’ll go back to knowing basketball.