NBA 2011-2012 Season Thread 2

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Too early for sure, but i’ve been hearing ppl comparing him to shaq and he can actually shoot the ball. Worth a mention atleast.

Kobe in his prime all day, everyday. [/quote]

You mean the skinny kid from Kentucky with the crazy unibrow? They’re comparing him to Shaq!?!? Admittedly haven’t watched a Wildcat game all year, but I don’t get the comparison at all. from what I saw of him in highschool he reminded me of a young, less athletic Rasheed Wallace.[/quote]

He doesnt have Shaq’s size, but the kid is a pretty damn good.

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Even if you were to alter the poll to say "If you were starting a team from scratch to win a championship THIS YEAR, which player would you choose first? " I doubt the results would be much different.

Lebron has been superior to Kobe in 2011-2012 to this point.

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Greg Oden was supposed to be the next Shaq.

Look how that turned out…

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Of course Bryant would only get 10% of the vote, he’s 33. If we’re talking “in their primes”, I’m taking Bryant 100% of the time.[/quote]

Funny thing is, I’m taking Lebron over Bryant even in their primes. And basically for the same reasotn I’m taking Magic over Jordan every single time too.

For me, its always always always been a team game so give me the team guy who’ll consistently make the right basketball play over the individual dominant force who’ll consistently score.

Or maybe its as simple as playing with ballhogs sucks, while playing with Magic or Lebron or Nash or Kidd would be as good as it gets…

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Too early for sure, but i’ve been hearing ppl comparing him to shaq and he can actually shoot the ball. Worth a mention atleast.

Kobe in his prime all day, everyday. [/quote]

You mean the skinny kid from Kentucky with the crazy unibrow? They’re comparing him to Shaq!?!? Admittedly haven’t watched a Wildcat game all year, but I don’t get the comparison at all. from what I saw of him in highschool he reminded me of a young, less athletic Rasheed Wallace.[/quote]

He doesnt have Shaq’s size, but the kid is a pretty damn good.
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I live in Kentucky (not a UK fan though), and my GF goes to UK, so I watch a lot of their games. Davis is seriously good. He effects the game on the defensive end in a way that I’d say I’ve only heard about (i’m only 20, so my actual knowledge of BBall history, while pretty extensive, is limited to highlights and old games watched on ESPN Classic) Patrick Ewing or Dikembe Mutumbo doing at G’town, or Ralph Sampson back at Virginia, but Davis is doing it at a time where players are a lot taller, and he’s only 6’10 (other two guys were 7 footers I believe). He’s pretty good offensively as well, solid jumper, works hard for boards and put backs, and has GREAT foot work. However, UK is LOADED with scoring, so offensively he rarely has to be dominant, so actual extent of that side of his game is kind of limited.

His negatives are in all reality, he doesn’t seem to be THAT athletic, he’s just got a crazy wing span (like 7’4" or some shit). Watch highlights, so many of his blocks are nearly flat footed. Apparently, word around here is that he grew up being only like 6’2", so he played point guard until mid way through HS, got a growth spurt and moved down low; so in THEORY, he apparently has handles and could potentially be a real versatile 4, or maybe even a 3 in the league. But having not seen any real handles, not any 3-point range (once again, rumors here are that he’s got that range, but UK fans are one for hyperbole), and lack of actual hops or speed, I see him not doing great in the league. That is, unless he bulks up, and proves to be something like Al Jefferson is.

I think he either has to bulk up, or prove to us he has all these skills UK claims to be an NBA offensive threat. Defensively, though, he seems to have the paint on lock. I think he’ll still go #1 in the draft though. /ScoutingReportNobodyAskedFor

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He’s always come off to me as a skinnier Greg Oden. I know he’s putting up what appear to be better numbers, but you have to consider the leagues each played in. Oden was in a much slower paced big10 where teams routinely drain the shot clock play a generally ‘slow’ game, which obviously has an effect on numbers.

It could be easy to forget just how highly people were thinking of Oden pre-injuries, but that dude was a defensive freak that had great rebounding ability, but limited post game(he could hit mid range jumpers, but for his size he wasn’t nearly as effective on the block as he should’ve been and got much of his production because of the pressure Conley Jr and OSU’s numerous 3 point threats put on perimeters that season- sound familiar?).

Not an exact comparison, but I think it’s far more apt than saying he looks like Shaq.

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Check out Russell Westbrook bully the towel boy

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I haven’t watched Davis, I’ve heard he’s a force defensively (shit he averages what like 5 or 6 blocks a game?) but I question why he can’t average 10 boards/game in over 30 minutes. I’d have to watch Kentucky, it’s possible they are an exceptional rebounding team and take a lot of boards he’d otherwise get (similar to Noah posting better rebounding rates in the pros because he didn’t have to play with Horford).

But Howard is not overrated.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Greg Oden was supposed to be the next Shaq.

Look how that turned out…[/quote]

Thanks for that Buzz Killington!

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Timberwolves one game out of a playoff spot in the brutally tough west.

Getting harder to say Kevin Love is just putting up empty stats on a bad team.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
He’s always come off to me as a skinnier Greg Oden. I know he’s putting up what appear to be better numbers, but you have to consider the leagues each played in. Oden was in a much slower paced big10 where teams routinely drain the shot clock play a generally ‘slow’ game, which obviously has an effect on numbers.

It could be easy to forget just how highly people were thinking of Oden pre-injuries, but that dude was a defensive freak that had great rebounding ability, but limited post game(he could hit mid range jumpers, but for his size he wasn’t nearly as effective on the block as he should’ve been and got much of his production because of the pressure Conley Jr and OSU’s numerous 3 point threats put on perimeters that season- sound familiar?).

Not an exact comparison, but I think it’s far more apt than saying he looks like Shaq.[/quote]

I really did kind of forget about Greg Oden. lol. Idk, I feel Davis controls that game in a way Oden never did, and Davis is much more offensively versatile. Here’s there stats, though like you said, they played in different style of conferences.

     GP   MPG   PPG   RPG   APG   BPG   SPG   FG%   FT%

32 28.9 15.7 9.6 0.7 3.3 0.6 .616 .628 Oden

31 31.3 14.4 9.8 0.8 4.7 1.4 .663 .713 Davis

Anthony Davis seems to be better defensively straight stats wise (blocks and steals) and offensive efficiency (FG and FT percentage), with Oden scoring a bit more and doing it all in less time. I guess you have to watch a UK game though. He really does control both sides of the floor, at least in the paint.

Only thing is, Greg Oden was 7 foot, going into the League, that’s still enough size to play post. Listed at 6’10", Davis will be undersized in both height and weight as a post player IMO. So idk how NBA ready he is…

EDIT: Well my attempt to compare stats failed. lol

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Comparing Davis to Shaq? Wow… anyone who does that realizes that he weighs about 100 pounds less and is 3 to 5 inches shorter, right? That’s laugable… there won’t be another person like Shaq and comparisons should not be made regardless of who it is. Oden wasn’t going to be the next Shaq either. Shaq made the rest of the NBA his bitch for a very long time. Thank GOD he was a terrible free-throw shooter…

As far as Lebron, he has all the physical abilities and talent to be the best player ever. His problem is his heart. Kobe has already proven that he has what it takes to win championships. Lebron hasn’t. He’s had opportunities, too. This year is yet another one. He doesn’t have the heart for it, so it wouldn’t be a good idea to build a team around him (it’s been done, didn’t work out, but almost), it would be better to have him be the workhorse in a team built around someone else who can go the distance when Lebron bitches out at clutch time like he loves to do. He’s at his best when the game ISN’T on the line and he can take full advantage of his superior physical make-up.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Of course Bryant would only get 10% of the vote, he’s 33. If we’re talking “in their primes”, I’m taking Bryant 100% of the time.[/quote]

Funny thing is, I’m taking Lebron over Bryant even in their primes. And basically for the same reasotn I’m taking Magic over Jordan every single time too.

For me, its always always always been a team game so give me the team guy who’ll consistently make the right basketball play over the individual dominant force who’ll consistently score.

Or maybe its as simple as playing with ballhogs sucks, while playing with Magic or Lebron or Nash or Kidd would be as good as it gets…

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You do realize that Magic never won without Abdul-Jabbar, right. I’m taking Jordan and Bryant EVERY SINGLE TIME, 'cause they want the shot and will do everything they can to win. Magic at least was down to take the game in his hands. We all know how James does in those situations.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

Or maybe its as simple as playing with ballhogs sucks, while playing with Magic or Lebron or Nash or Kidd would be as good as it gets…

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Jordan was a ballhog? He averaged over 5 assists/game for his career.

Taking Magic over Jordan is just comical. Magic was a great player but come on.

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Did a little digging and it appears the best Davis comparison I can see is a shorter, less athletic Marcus Camby.

And, Oden was injured for most of his one season in college. The guy was a huge risk from the jump. His upside was obviously enticing, but he was a huge risk before he even left school.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Of course Bryant would only get 10% of the vote, he’s 33. If we’re talking “in their primes”, I’m taking Bryant 100% of the time.[/quote]

Funny thing is, I’m taking Lebron over Bryant even in their primes. And basically for the same reasotn I’m taking Magic over Jordan every single time too.

For me, its always always always been a team game so give me the team guy who’ll consistently make the right basketball play over the individual dominant force who’ll consistently score.

Or maybe its as simple as playing with ballhogs sucks, while playing with Magic or Lebron or Nash or Kidd would be as good as it gets…

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You do realize that Magic never won without Abdul-Jabbar, right. I’m taking Jordan and Bryant EVERY SINGLE TIME, 'cause they want the shot and will do everything they can to win. Magic at least was down to take the game in his hands. We all know how James does in those situations.
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That’s hardly fair, in 1987-88 Jabbar was 40yrs old and averaged 15 and 6 per game.

Also Magic closed out the Sixers in 1980 with one of the most legendary performances of all time when Jabbar was injured (started at C, played all 5 positions, posted a 42-15-7).

So yeah, that’s a misleading stat IMO

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

Jordan was a ballhog? He averaged over 5 assists/game for his career.

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Where does this stigma come from?? Maybe my definition is different, but what I call a ball-hog is NOT someone averaging 5 assists per game and and being recognized for their work on the defensive end. It’s someone who’s prime goal is scoring, nothing else

Great Player who knows when to take over DOESN’T equal ball hog.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Did a little digging and it appears the best Davis comparison I can see is a shorter, less athletic Marcus Camby.

And, Oden was injured for most of his one season in college. The guy was a huge risk from the jump. His upside was obviously enticing, but he was a huge risk before he even left school.[/quote]

Totaly forgot. Oden put up those stats with his SHOOTING HAND in a cast most of the season. Good call.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Where we left off: Is Lin legit? What will he amount to in his career?[/quote]

Perennial all-star, top 5 PG in the league. [/quote]

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I saw this too and would put this comment in line with randman’s “The 2010-2011 Laker team is the best Laker team in the past 15 years” which he said in the first month of the season.

But the difference is randman is an obnoxious asshole so I left it alone. [/quote]
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