This is just a theory so I could sound like a complete idiot but any…
Maybe it has something to do with the amount of cardio that is required to get that lean and the fact that the majority does it through the lower body (cycling, walking on a tedmill, ect).
My theory comes from the spot reduction article that Lowery put out, and that more fat is mobilized from areas that are kept warm. Well what happens when you can’t strip away anymore fat from that area? Get it from areas or maybe even break down muscle from that area?
This is just a theory so I could sound like a complete idiot but anyway…
Maybe it has something to do with the amount of cardio that is required to get that lean and the fact that the majority does it through the lower body (cycling, walking on a tedmill, ect).
My theory comes from the spot reduction article that Lowery put out, and that more fat is mobilized from areas that are kept warm. Well what happens when you can’t strip away anymore fat from that area? Get it from areas or maybe even break down muscle from that area?
Just a quick thought i had…
EDIT:
And they dont have the assistance from drugs to maintain their lower body size that drug using competitors have*
Hopefully this doesnt come up as a third seperate postas it did last time…
I think Jrod’s most recent pics are raising skepticism about whether he’s still natural (aside from competing in TU). Personally, I want to believe that he is.
[quote]kjmont wrote:
This is just a theory so I could sound like a complete idiot but any…
Maybe it has something to do with the amount of cardio that is required to get that lean and the fact that the majority does it through the lower body (cycling, walking on a tedmill, ect).
My theory comes from the spot reduction article that Lowery put out, and that more fat is mobilized from areas that are kept warm. Well what happens when you can’t strip away anymore fat from that area? Get it from areas or maybe even break down muscle from that area?
Just a quick thought i had…[/quote]
This was where my mind was inclined to wander as well. I know pro BBers are doing lots of cardio as well, but many natty are doing daily cardio up to 60-120 minutes and almost ALL of it revolves around some kind of leg activity.
Tons of reps are not conducive to big development. Marathoner V. Sprinters is a good comparison.
Whether Rodriguez is natural is another matter all together.
Dude competes in the Team Universe. That show is a joke.
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That show being “a joke” in testing terms is probably the only reason he didn’t win the overall fairly comfortably by now, if I’m going to get pessimistic. Kiyoshi Moody competed also as a natural in the heavys and the muscle mass difference between him and J-Rod is unreal. If you look at J-rods overall mass and judge that it is impossible for nattys then I personally think it’s pessimistic, though I’m not really into following each and every bodybuilder/show, J-rod in particular is probably the one I am absolutely sure beyond any shadow of a doubt that is natural. He sometimes using ephedrine before his leg days but that’s as crazy as he’s got. Who knows why he recently disbanded with Species nutrition, but after his 2cnd place TU finish when he’s clearly a freak and always come in on point, I would stick my neck out and say they could have been putting on the pressure for him to “progress a little more”. If you look at his contest and off-season weights at 5ft 9" he certainly isn’t holding enough overall mass to justify being accused of anything other then a natty. His interviews given are genuinely believable when he’s saying he can literally name about one steroid nevermind know anything about them.
He just trains hard in a “hitting the muscle” low volume high intensity way combined with some of the most precise eating ever. Up until this recent off-season I’m pretty sure he considered an off-season sushi buffet “his worse cheat meal”.
Natty guy that just posted above has some insane wheels & triceps and the rest of J-rod seems to be perfectly achievable for those with the right genetics and nutrition [/quote]
If you want to believe someone is natural, go for it. But youre defending a guy you know nothing about like a 6 year old defends the existence of santa claus.
Do a google search on the reputation of the Team Universe show. Taking a guy’s word that ‘he cant even name more than one steroid’ is naive.
Im not here to argue about this guy’s drug use or lack thereof. I think talking about ‘natural’ bodybuilders is silly in general becuase there are too many guys who want people to believe they are natural but are not actually natural.
[quote]taylor_1989 wrote:
It seems it not only me that has notice this. But what I have notice that maybe a natural bodybuilder might benefit from a Olympic lifting leg workout, cause if you look at most Olympic lifters, even the 70kg under they still have very impressive legs.
The natural bodybuilder I were talking about was, layne norton, jim cordova, Johon hansen, Paul Revelia, all seem to have good legs in offseason, but disappear when comp comes. [/quote]
I may be totally wrong, but at least Layne Norton and Jim Cordova are not known for having the best legs. In Layne’s videos he talks about how they are his weakest bodypart.
Doug Miller is an IFPA Natural Pro and has some freaky legs.[/quote]
I know Layne Norton has said in past his legs are his weakest area, but when I saw videos of his legs on you tube when power lifting the were quite big for one of his weakest body parts.
[quote]kjmont wrote:
This is just a theory so I could sound like a complete idiot but any…
Maybe it has something to do with the amount of cardio that is required to get that lean and the fact that the majority does it through the lower body (cycling, walking on a tedmill, ect).
My theory comes from the spot reduction article that Lowery put out, and that more fat is mobilized from areas that are kept warm. Well what happens when you can’t strip away anymore fat from that area? Get it from areas or maybe even break down muscle from that area?
Just a quick thought i had…[/quote]
This was where my mind was inclined to wander as well. I know pro BBers are doing lots of cardio as well, but many natty are doing daily cardio up to 60-120 minutes and almost ALL of it revolves around some kind of leg activity.
Tons of reps are not conducive to big development. Marathoner V. Sprinters is a good comparison.[/quote]
I can see where you’re coming from on this post, which got me thinking. What if it not the amount of cardio they do the reduces their legs size but the amount of body weight they drop. sound stupid but my skool of thought is that in the off season a bb is a lot heavier so his legs have to carry extra weight. So say for example a bb weighed 210lb off season and contest weight 190lb, maybe it would be beneficial for the bb to add the weight he lost to the bar when he squats so his body still thinks that he weighs the same, which would mean that it needs to keep the extra leg mass that he put on.
I use steroids, and I trained naturally for years, but whenever I lose muscle-irrespective of whether I’m on AAS or not-the first place it leaves from are my thighs.
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I use steroids, and I trained naturally for years, but whenever I lose muscle-irrespective of whether I’m on AAS or not-the first place it leaves from are my thighs.[/quote]
How someone loses muscle mass when dieting is genetic. There are some wild connections being made by people in this thread.
It makes as much sense as the thread years back about how you can tell who has used steroids by whether they have a square chin.
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
the body’s natural ratios.
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Does such a thing exist?
Surely you dont believe that all men have the same genetically determined muscle proportions? Looking at calf size across a large sample size of men blows your idea up.
Similar to what ebomb said about performance - as a natty, your main way of hormone control (keeping testosterone etc high) is through diet (enough calories). But while dieting, your hormones work against you, you don’t have the “luxury” of keeping things like testosterone high during a cut (like those on assistance). As a result, not only do you suffer from muscle loss, but also your performance/drive/pain tolerance suffers too etc. The hardest muscle groups to maintain your performance/drive on would be legs, and back, especially if volume wasn’t managed. As a result your body doesn’t hold onto muscle that isn’t stimulated with the same loads/intensity as before.
But as has been mentioned, genetics are more important
Similar to what ebomb said about performance - as a natty, your main way of hormone control (keeping testosterone etc high) is through diet (enough calories). But while dieting, your hormones work against you, you don’t have the “luxury” of keeping things like testosterone high during a cut (like those on assistance). As a result, not only do you suffer from muscle loss, but also your performance/drive/pain tolerance suffers too etc. The hardest muscle groups to maintain your performance/drive on would be legs, and back, especially if volume wasn’t managed. As a result your body doesn’t hold onto muscle that isn’t stimulated with the same loads/intensity as before.
But as has been mentioned, genetics are more important[/quote]
You and others are making connections where there don’t need to be any.
Why are you guys doing this?
Keith Williams loses a ton of size all over when dieted down, especially from his legs. He is fucking HUGE in the off season. That means this “theory” some of you are scratching hard for does not exist.
I think some natty guys lose leg size dieting because:
Fat loss
Glycogen loss
Training intensity goes down while dieting for whatever reason and therefore legs no longer need the adapted muslce
Too frequent and/or intense of cardio specifically running (back when I used to run it was reallly hard to maintain leg size, my body just didn’t want it, some guys don’t have this problem as I know plenty of dudes who don’t even train their legs with weights but have MASSSIVE QUADS and CALVES)
Fools screw their hormones (too much training, not enough sleep, stress, not enough kcals, sports teams performing poorly)
I’m not sure what order this goes in, but it’s definately all important for dudes looking to bring in an impressive set of wheels
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I use steroids, and I trained naturally for years, but whenever I lose muscle-irrespective of whether I’m on AAS or not-the first place it leaves from are my thighs.[/quote]
How someone loses muscle mass when dieting is genetic. There are some wild connections being made by people in this thread.
It makes as much sense as the thread years back about how you can tell who has used steroids by whether they have a square chin.[/quote]
Off topic but you’re looking really lean X. No one can call you fat now.
Ive seen natty guys with freaky big legs but this is genetic… Most like that have huge natural calves as well… Not many can compete against gas… That’s just the way it is… By the way the guy in the pre contest photos earlier in the post I would bet a ton is natural… He poses his side leg pose well by using his back leg to push on his hamstring and make it appear larger a trick I learned years ago… Otherwise he has good legs But not gas good… He is thin from the front and rear pose in the legs… Good just not gas good…
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I think Jrod’s most recent pics are raising skepticism about whether he’s still natural (aside from competing in TU). Personally, I want to believe that he is.[/quote]
He’s definitely bigger than ever in these new photos.
