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1724

Update on fasting experiment:

I’m currently doing my fourth fast. This is the first one I’ll end with a pre-bed snack.

Didn’t remember to buy liver like @Voxel suggested, so I’m opting for eggs and red meat this time.

Just a couple of observations:

First off, I’ve lost some weight, no surprises there.

Secondly, I wouldn’t say my workouts have suffered, although they have been a bit different than usually so it’s a bit hard to say.

Thirdly, by the end of my fasting days/the night after I’m cold as hell. (Physically, that is) it’s nearly comparable to the end of a hard diet. It doesn’t really bother me, as I can deal with it, but I wouldn’t say I’m enjoying it. I was wondering if this is something other people were experiencing while fasting, so please do chime in.

Overall, I’ve liked it thus far. Will continue.

1725

Yup yup, I’ve noticed this on days when I’m undereating as well (and not just fasting days). It’s a nice cue from the body I suppose. Do you think it’s metabolic downregulation?

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1726

I did a quick Google search and a couple of opinions about why this happens were thrown around. Some were convinced that it is indeed metabolic downregulation while other though it is caused by lessened circulation due to a drop in blood pressure. Also the idea of having less heat produced by the organs and muscles that take part in processing food would be the culprit was mentioned.

It could be any - or more than one of these really. My view to this is that whatever the root cause is it doesn’t really matter. Seriously messing something up with a 24-36 hour fast would require either a pre-existing condition or some serious effort.

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1727

My current meal plan:

@Voxel asked me to write this so here ya go:

Meal 1: (Eaten around 6:45 or so)
250g Red meat
3 eggs
Vegetables

Meal 2: (Around 11.30)
250g Chicken
1 Avocado
Vegetables

Meal 3: (16:30-ish)
250g Chicken
30g Nuts
Vegetables

Meal 4: (Intra-workout, I usually train around 18:30)
30g of aminos (both EAA and BCAA)
50g Maltodextrine
8g Salt

Meal 5: (Post-workout shake around 19:30-20:00)
60g Whey
Greens powder
Cinnamon

Meal 6: (Last meal, around 21:30)
500g Quark
A can of pineapple

Total macros come to:(not including fish oil and vegetables)
2560 Calories
325g Protein
115g Carbs
88g Fat

Actually this is the first time I’ve calculated those, my nutrition just kind of evolved into this. Throw fasting on top of that on 2 days out of five and we can be sure I should eat more.

But yeah, as of time being, that’s how I eat.

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1728

Your carb allotment is miniscule! Thanks for posting this

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1729

I can relate.

Last year on my food and sleep deprivation exercise I would eat something before bed every night. I would be cold the next morning but not too crazy.

This one afternoon we were about to head out on a long kayaking journey through the night. I was hungry and we had a bit of time before the exercise started so I ate the last of my food for that day. Off we went kayaking in the open ocean from 5pm to 2 in the morning.

I went to sleep with no food and woke up a few hours later absolutely freezing. I could have sworn it was the coldest morning so far, turns out it was a couple degrees warmer than normal (around 12c). I could have sworn it was around 0 degrees c though.

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1730

I only have one meal with carbs and as it is right before I go to sleep I like to keep it a bit lighter. I’ve noticed that having a huge amount of carbs tends to wire me up a bit and I may have a hard time falling asleep. Kinda odd as I haven’t had this problem before

Interesting, I get cold late in the evening but I’m back to normal after sleeping regardless of wether or not I ate

Sounds fun

Reminds me of a time we were on a training camp and within two days the weather shifted from 0℃ to -15℃ and a foot of snow. Wasn’t exactly a nice surprise

1731

Why not add some to meal 3?

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1732

I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, and the best way I’ve found to avoid it is not to have carbs.

If I, for some reason, have low blood sugar going into my session it’ll take over half of my intra-workout carbs just to get going, it’s horrible. I should pack some extra maltodextrine just in case this happens. (Happened yesterday before deads, I was shaking like a leaf when I got in)

1733

This doesn’t sound too good, almost like a the beginnings of type-2 diabetes. Has it always been this way or did it start after some long period of carb-deprivation so maybe you lack the enzymes to properly digest carbs?

For a while after my latest cut I’d go hypo just eating a lone clementin. I don’t think that happens anymore. I kept high GI carbs to the peri-workout window and ate beans/lentils/starchy vegetables (butternut squash)/chickpeas at other times and now I go hypo a lot less often.

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1734

I’ve thought of this myself too. I should probably get tested.

I don’t remember when this started, but I’ve he it for at least four years. I may get it when I’m in a surplus and eating plenty of carbs as well, and it’s not a regular thing, so to say. So I’m inclined to think it’s not a enzyme problem.

Witht the way I’ve set up my meal plan by the time I’d go hypo I’m already asleep. Usually, at least.

1735

Please do

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1736

I did some searching on google and came across a condition called reactive hypoglycemia which seems to fit my experiences quite well. The treatment for the condition is eating a low-carb diet and having frequent meals. The condition can occur in people with or without diabetes.

I’d like to go through the tests though, I’m not particularly fond of diagnosing myself with google. I’ll just have to find our school nurse’s number so I can get the tests for free.

1737

How much is a visit to the health clinic in Finland? We pay about 20 euros worth to see a doctor and we don’t pay for tests. Once you’ve hit 150 euros spent within less than a year from an appointment you don’t have to pay a dime.

School nurse doesn’t really seem applicable to university but best of luck!

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1738

No clue, but probably more than nothing

Our nurses can order you to go into a variety of tests, they mentioned two or three tests that would be applicable in my situation.

1739

You’ve never been?!

1740

Actually, I haven’t after I turned 18. When you’re under 18 it’s free unless you go to a private clinic.

1741

Tweak update:
(Yay)

Let’s begin with the oldest one: my lower back. It has been completely pain free since the last update. I’d say that this tweak has been defeated for now. (Knock on wood)

Next up, my shoulder. I can still cause pain in there by flexing in a certain way but other than that, it’s as good as new.

Speaking of shoulders, I’ve done behind the neck presses in three sessions now. After the first one my shoulders hurt like crazy in a not good way. After the second one they were a lot better and now I feel no pain at all from BTN presses and I feel that my shoulder mobility has increased a whole lot.

Finally, my leg. I’ve been doing light back squats (in the 120-140kg range for 1-5 reps) rather frequently. On my leg days I’ve done pin squats with progressive ROM. I’ve now reached the point where only the first 1-2 warm up sets of squats hurt my leg, and apart from that I’m pain free.

All in all, quite significant progress if you ask me.

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1742

General life update:

Been a while since the last post, but I ain’t dead yet.

First off, I’ve stopped fasting for now. While I enjoyed the sheer amount of extra time and the ease of not having to eat during the day, I was getting major blood sugar crashes during my days of fasting, which was no bueno if you ask me. Also, as I had these crashes almost every time I consumed carbs I decided to jump from one “extreme” approach (fasting, that is) to another. As I was thinking of a way to prevent these crashes I remembered a diet I followed a few years back when I dropped down from 110kgs to around 81kgs. The diet was Berardi’s Get shredded diet. (Really, if you asked what diet I was following I’d rather just say “Keto-ish with a twist” than “Get shredded diet”, that’s an embarrassing name). Now, as I’m not really trying to lose fat ATM, I just took the principles of that diet: a lot of fat, a fair amount of protein (I use a bit more than what Berardi suggests, sue me) with BCAA/Creatine drinks throughout the day. Feels good to me.

I’m still going to get tested to find out what’s causing my crashes. Got called to healthcare for work because my BMI is too high (sigh) I’m going to ask them if they can test me.

Next up, training. I’ve liked what I’ve been doing thus far, but I’m feeling a need for a change. So, as I mentioned, I felt a need to powerlift for a bit. Got myself Barbell Medicine’s 7 week Hypertrophy program to try it out. Hypertrophy because bodybuilding is still the main goal. I’ll begin with this plan a week from now.

And lastly, school/work/PT cert etc.
My PT cert starts next Friday, It’ll take about half a year to complete.
During that time I’ll be able to work only two days a week, which’ll cut my income quite a bit. And I mean that literally, I’ll be doing school stuff for 14 or so hours on Wednesday and Thursday, 6 hours on Friday, which is followed by 6 hours of the PT cert. On Saturday and Sunday I’ll be doing the PT cert for 14 or so hours a day, and on Monday and Tuesday I can work in addition to studying by myself. And no, that does not include commuting to and back from school/the location the certification course is held. It’s going to be a busy time for me with very little earnings.

Lucky for me I get government funding for being at a school. Somehow it turned out to be about 80 euros per month. Yeah, it’s still free money. Gotta make it last.

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Read up on your subsidies. You might be able to get one for housing, or commuting, or any other thing. If you were part of a union when you were working full-time some unions are known to fund course literature.

And take care, health-wise.

What did you use instead of Brain Candy when you ran that diet. Also, 110kg starting point, what was your BF%? As the diet preface states, if a person ae closer to 20% than 10% then the diet isn’t for that person. Of course, I know that wouldn’t stop you you crazy son of a gun.

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