NASA Finds New Life Form...

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[quote]kilpaba wrote:
It should be pointed out, in fairness to both sides, that a non-zero possibility exists for both lots of life elsewhere and no life anywhere else. The question is which has the LARGER possibility of occurring given the data that we have currently. Current science and statistics would indicate there is a greater chance of other life than no other life. It is more reasonable given the evidence to assume something PROBABLY exists out there than to say that it is UNLIKELY anything else is out there. [/quote]

I do not argue this point. My opinion (and the opinion of most experts in the field) is that the number of stars is effectively infinite – it may actually BE infinite, for we have not proved there is an end to the universe, and it does not get any less dense the further out we look-- which makes ANY possible outcome, no matter how improbable, into a certainty.

But you’re technically right… if the number of stars is finite, no matter how large it is, it’s technically possible something could only exist once. Something like that would have to be a number so infinitesimally small that we can’t grasp how small the chance is-- much like the universe is so large we can’t grasp how BIG it is.

If I can prance around saying “THE UNIVERSE IS SO BIG YOU CANT GRASP IT” then I suppose I should accept that the formation of life is so improbable that I can’t grasp how improbable it is. It’s only fair.

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[quote]CubanMeat32 wrote:

[quote]biglifter wrote:
Kinda awesome. I still don’t believe any life exists beyond our planet. [/quote]

as far as we know the universe is infinite, and the telescopes we have, can only look so far, the chances of another solar system existing, in a distance far away from us ,that technology will never give us the possiblility of seeing probably may exist. They even found another planet recently that is roughly just as far from its sun as earth is, that most likely has water, where there is water, there is most likely life, i think the possibility of this is to high for me to personally believe that. It doesnt have to be little green men martians it can be microbial life, to think a piece of microbial life does not exist anywhere in the unknown universe is probably a stretch to say.[/quote]

We have found other solar systems, so it’s inaccurate to say they “might exists”. Last I heard, there was at least one star where we’ve found 3 planets orbiting.

Also, last I heard there were in excess of 300 extrasolar planets discovered. I can’t remember when I heard this…probably in astronomy class in college, which means it must be much higher now.

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]kilpaba wrote:
It should be pointed out, in fairness to both sides, that a non-zero possibility exists for both lots of life elsewhere and no life anywhere else. The question is which has the LARGER possibility of occurring given the data that we have currently. Current science and statistics would indicate there is a greater chance of other life than no other life. It is more reasonable given the evidence to assume something PROBABLY exists out there than to say that it is UNLIKELY anything else is out there. [/quote]

I love T-Nation!

Where else could I find a wonderful written erudite paragraph like that from a guy (if that’s you in your avatar) that looks like that?!
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Oh Nards you know just what to say!

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My $.02. Even if there is other intelligent life out there and say that they heard our first radio broadcasts 100 yrs ago and are as we type on the way over to say hello. The intelligent life is likely to be several hundred light years away. Even if they are intelligent enough to somehow travel close to the speed of light its likely to be over 100 yrs by the time they get to Earth.

Firstly all of us will prob be dead unless life expectancy rapidly increases or they perfect Cryogenic freezing and there is a significant probability that the Earth will face serious over population and threat of extinction before these aliens even get here.

So whatever about the probability or certainty of alien life out there. The probability that any of us will live to see if proven true is pretty much 0.

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[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
My $.02. Even if there is other intelligent life out there and say that they heard our first radio broadcasts 100 yrs ago and are as we type on the way over to say hello. The intelligent life is likely to be several hundred light years away. Even if they are intelligent enough to somehow travel close to the speed of light its likely to be over 100 yrs by the time they get to Earth.

Firstly all of us will prob be dead unless life expectancy rapidly increases or they perfect Cryogenic freezing and there is a significant probability that the Earth will face serious over population and threat of extinction before these aliens even get here.

So whatever about the probability or certainty of alien life out there. The probability that any of us will live to see if proven true is pretty much 0.[/quote]

Lol, thanks for depressing me. =(

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[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:

[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
My $.02. Even if there is other intelligent life out there and say that they heard our first radio broadcasts 100 yrs ago and are as we type on the way over to say hello. The intelligent life is likely to be several hundred light years away. Even if they are intelligent enough to somehow travel close to the speed of light its likely to be over 100 yrs by the time they get to Earth.

Firstly all of us will prob be dead unless life expectancy rapidly increases or they perfect Cryogenic freezing and there is a significant probability that the Earth will face serious over population and threat of extinction before these aliens even get here.

So whatever about the probability or certainty of alien life out there. The probability that any of us will live to see if proven true is pretty much 0.[/quote]

Lol, thanks for depressing me. =([/quote]

Well, the idea is that if we observe a planet from thousands and thousands of light years away- which will most likely be the case, if that planet contains some form of life, its present time THERE will be so much different than what we are observing here. Likewise, if there is intelligent life there, they will observe the Earth from thousands of thousands of years in the past, not observing our current time. Now, when I was doing research for my undergrad, we observed LOTS of exoplanets, and there are bunches and bunches floating around out there. Most of them jovian type planets orbiting very close to their parent star. With these new telescopes they have, like Kepler, there is no telling what they’ll find, and statiscally I feel we will find life within my lifetime.

The universe debate; finite versus infinite, multiverse, etcetera… Depending on what physics you are using to prove it or whatever, I think it will be similar to the old debate Copernicus had to deal with and that era of thought. I think people will look back on our current theories, and say “HA! They actually thought that?” Just as we laugh at the past scholars thinking the Earth was the center of everything-- it will be no different later on for future generations.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:

[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
My $.02. Even if there is other intelligent life out there and say that they heard our first radio broadcasts 100 yrs ago and are as we type on the way over to say hello. The intelligent life is likely to be several hundred light years away. Even if they are intelligent enough to somehow travel close to the speed of light its likely to be over 100 yrs by the time they get to Earth.

Firstly all of us will prob be dead unless life expectancy rapidly increases or they perfect Cryogenic freezing and there is a significant probability that the Earth will face serious over population and threat of extinction before these aliens even get here.

So whatever about the probability or certainty of alien life out there. The probability that any of us will live to see if proven true is pretty much 0.[/quote]

Lol, thanks for depressing me. =([/quote]

Well, the idea is that if we observe a planet from thousands and thousands of light years away- which will most likely be the case, if that planet contains some form of life, its present time THERE will be so much different than what we are observing here. Likewise, if there is intelligent life there, they will observe the Earth from thousands of thousands of years in the past, not observing our current time. Now, when I was doing research for my undergrad, we observed LOTS of exoplanets, and there are bunches and bunches floating around out there. Most of them jovian type planets orbiting very close to their parent star. With these new telescopes they have, like Kepler, there is no telling what they’ll find, and statiscally I feel we will find life within my lifetime.

The universe debate; finite versus infinite, multiverse, etcetera… Depending on what physics you are using to prove it or whatever, I think it will be similar to the old debate Copernicus had to deal with and that era of thought. I think people will look back on our current theories, and say “HA! They actually thought that?” Just as we laugh at the past scholars thinking the Earth was the center of everything-- it will be no different later on for future generations.[/quote]

Haha, I understood. It just sucks to think that if there was intelligent life elsewhere, it would be too far away, even if they (or us) could travel at the speed of light.

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Thing is, if you could travel the speed of light you wouldn’t exactly be sitting around waiting for signals from other “aliens”, now would you?

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It seems as though we might have an even bigger universe for which there to be intelligent life in…

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Glad to hear is somewhere because it definitely isn’t on this thread.

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Also, for those that worry that our transmissions will make some alien race want to kill us…if you think we’re so unintelligent and they’re so very intelligent…let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they’ll forgive us for our shitty TV shows and understand that we’re an up and coming galactic smarty planet.

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If we discovered a planet that had some extremely simple life on it, like bacteria or whatever, would we really spend that much time checking it out? We’d send a crew of people, collect some samples, and leave.

People assume that if aliens discovered us theyd be fascinated and stay here to hang out. We’re probably as insignificant as bacteria, to the aliens that are capable of finding us. They could have come, collected samples, and left without anyone having any knowledge of it.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If we discovered a planet that had some extremely simple life on it, like bacteria or whatever, would we really spend that much time checking it out?
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Some genius would find a reason/way to tax it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used to fall for the “because it’s so big” logic and I’ve come to question it after hearing out the “intelligent design” theories, not to be confused with creationism.[/quote]

Intelligent design is creationism in a cheap tux.

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[quote]biglifter wrote:

[quote]CubanMeat32 wrote:

[quote]biglifter wrote:
Kinda awesome. I still don’t believe any life exists beyond our planet. [/quote]

as far as we know the universe is infinite, and the telescopes we have, can only look so far, the chances of another solar system existing, in a distance far away from us ,that technology will never give us the possiblility of seeing probably may exist. They even found another planet recently that is roughly just as far from its sun as earth is, that most likely has water, where there is water, there is most likely life, i think the possibility of this is to high for me to personally believe that. It doesnt have to be little green men martians it can be microbial life, to think a piece of microbial life does not exist anywhere in the unknown universe is probably a stretch to say.[/quote]

Sounds reasonable. I proudly stake my claim to the minority

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Yes/No answering is the bane of reason.

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[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
My $.02. Even if there is other intelligent life out there and say that they heard our first radio broadcasts 100 yrs ago and are as we type on the way over to say hello. The intelligent life is likely to be several hundred light years away. Even if they are intelligent enough to somehow travel close to the speed of light its likely to be over 100 yrs by the time they get to Earth.

Firstly all of us will prob be dead unless life expectancy rapidly increases or they perfect Cryogenic freezing and there is a significant probability that the Earth will face serious over population and threat of extinction before these aliens even get here.

So whatever about the probability or certainty of alien life out there. The probability that any of us will live to see if proven true is pretty much 0.[/quote]

If they pick up our radio braodcasts, they’d probably get to the part about Hitler and stay away.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used to fall for the “because it’s so big” logic and I’ve come to question it after hearing out the “intelligent design” theories, not to be confused with creationism.[/quote]

Intelligent design is creationism in a cheap tux.[/quote]

Those pics are incomplete – they left out God’s favorite musician.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used to fall for the “because it’s so big” logic and I’ve come to question it after hearing out the “intelligent design” theories, not to be confused with creationism.[/quote]

Intelligent design is creationism in a cheap tux.[/quote]

that’s just stupid. “intelligent” does not mean “god” as you just illustrated the concept. cute though.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
LOL @ Stephen Hawking.

Note to others who want to be famous one day:

  1. Talk about nonexistent stuff, non stop.

  2. Make sure it appeals to the star trek/other neglected youths crowd.

  3. When no one cares anymore, break your legs and talk through a speak and spell. [/quote]

By far the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read on T-Nation…congratulations.

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
LOL @ Stephen Hawking.

Note to others who want to be famous one day:

  1. Talk about nonexistent stuff, non stop.

  2. Make sure it appeals to the star trek/other neglected youths crowd.

  3. When no one cares anymore, break your legs and talk through a speak and spell. [/quote]

By far the most ig’nant thing I’ve ever read on T-Nation…congratulations. [/quote]

Fixed.