I fully accept white racism but i am wanting other ethnic groups to realize their own as well. Isnt this thing supposed to run both ways in that anything racist no matter the color should be condemned?
Granted i am stepping on this a bit, but until all groups stop ALL racist acts then it will continue to plaugue our society as well as others around the world vroom
[quote]Professor X wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Next question, was there a perception by many displaced blacks that they were being left out of the rebuilding process?
Key word here being perception. I personally don’t know if there are real cases of blacks being left out of the rebuilding process. I do know for a fact that Nagin publicly whined that he was worried about his city being overrun by hispanics.
That wasn’t the question.[/quote]
Maybe I didn’t answer the question well enough. Was there a perception that misplaced blacks were left out of the rebuilding process? I personally don’t know any misplaced blacks so I can’t really answer that question, can you?
Do you feel that blacks are being left out of the rebuilding process specifically due to race? I personally doubt it. But as I said, I will gladly change my opinion if you can show me any real cases of such happenings.
[quote]
WTF?
If iwas to post something on this board saying that I was worried about America being overrun by hispanics, I would get seriously flamed. And rightly so.[/quote]
Finally we can agree on something. When nagin made the comment that he needed to make sure that NO wasn’t overrun by hispanics, that too was a racist comment.
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You sure would, because worrying about being “overrun” by hispanics implies that Hispanics are a negative and that you despise them. That is racist because it shows elitism by you and an attempt at degrading another race not of your own specifically.
Question #3- Could you please point out a CURRENT event where American whites in majority have either been publicly degraded because of race, had a crime committed by an individual or small group of people used to define their entire race, or been misplaced due to a natural event and held the belief that they were being left out of the repopulation and rebuilding due to race?
I’ve seen Farakkan, Sharpton, and even Hillary degrade the white majority often and when it suited them.
When has society degraded whites as an entire race? When has the public perception been that being white is a negative?
I personally don’t believe that blacks are being left out of the rebuilding process due to their race specifically. But if you can show me real cases where this has happened I would love to read them.
This isn’t what you were asked. You were asked if you were aware of there being the perception that blacks were being left out of the NO rebuilding process. You won’t answer this directly because you know where it will lead. You know that if you admit that the perception was there, then speaking to those who hold that perception is not a racist act.[/quote]
As I said, there just might be a perception that they are being left out. Does that make it a reality?, no it doesn’t.
Are you realy saying that he can give a speech with racist undertones contained in it, to people who might think they are being left out of the rebuilding process, and that’s OK? So just because they might hold that perception, that speech was fine?
Don’t piss down my leg and tell me it’s raining. That they might hold that perception doesn’t make his dunbass remarks OK. That speech was chuck full of racist undertones and you know it.
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All of this however takes away from the fact that nagin publicly stated that he does not want too many white folks living in NO.
He didn’t say that. Why change what he said?[/quote]
He didn’t say it outright, he implied it. Read between the lines.
[quote]
What color do you think NO should be when it’s rebuilt?
I don’t think the color should be a focus. I never would have written a speech that could be left open to such attack or open to “interpretation” by those willing to do so. I do realize, however, that race is still an issue in America and to pretend otherwise is simply childish. When there are still people alive, especially in the south, who remember seeing “colored water fountains”, pretending as if perception is not reality would also be the wrong way to lead a large group of people. Both the way Nagen handled this situation, and the potential alternative of completely avoiding the issue are wrong in this case.[/quote]
We both agree that it was wrong to focus on what color NO should be when rebuilt. And race relations will always be in issue in America and the world for that matter.
I do believe that America needs to know it’s past in order to have a better future. Knowing about our past w/r/t America’s ugly history with slavery, will only help to assure that we don’t regress.
When people like nagin make comments such as he did in his horendous speech, we actually go backwards w/r/t race relations. That speech did nothing to enhance America’s ability to look past skin color and see the person and the unique soul contained within. That’s what pisses me off so much.
George,
I do think it is supposed to run both ways, but personally I think it is important to be careful to figure out what is and isn’t racism.
Everyone who thinks about it knows that Nagin wasn’t suggesting that white people be kept out of New Orleans, though some will claim he meant that.
Admittedly, and even he admits it, the speech was a mistake. It was poorly done and not appropriate.
However, unless he is picking on whitey or suggesting that whitey be discriminated against, it gets very hard to imagine what he said as racist.
So, even though it is supposed to run both ways, people living in society do have to understand exactly who said what and what they meant, in context.
Of course it would be racist for someone to promote excluding or otherwise mistreating a group based on race. Honestly, if I felt that was Nagin’s intent, I’d be calling him racist.
That isn’t what he meant. That isn’t what he said. Again, the need to mischaracterize his statements so that they appear to be racist is troubling. It is happening on blogs and on web sites all over.
We even have examples above, where words are put in Nagin’s mouth, so that what he said can be taken in a way much different than it was stated. I really do want to know why people think it is necessary to find non-white racism.
Are people tired of being accused of being racist and looking to balance the ledger a bit?
Flaming,
The least you could do is be consistent. When people read between the lines and think for themselves, you accuse them of twisting things.
However, when you read between the lines and make up some wild shit, that is appropriate, because it agrees with your beliefs.
You have absolutely zero credibility and can’t even begin to address the issues or questions raised by those you are “arguing” with.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m not X, but I certainly brought the concept up of some people having a “need” to find non-white sources of racism for some reason.[/quote]
I have no “need” to find non-white sources of racism. It was there and I called it. For you to suggest that I do is ridiculas.
[quote]
I’m wondering if it is because they are reading some blogs or web sites with a racial agenda or something (with respect to this issue anyway).[/quote]
No, but nice try. You’re reaching vroomie.
[quote]
Really, to be blind to the issues around the speech, and to be looking so hard for reasons to call Nagin racist, it is troubling.[/quote]
I didn’t have to look hard at all. It was right there where all could see. Your deep needed desire to not see the racist undertones in that speech is what is troubling.
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Why don’t you tell us why it so important to convince the world that Nagin is racist? What are you hoping to achieve by promoting such a viewpoint?[/quote]
Why don’t you tell me why it’s so important for you to be blind to his racist undertones? What are you hoping to achieve by ignoring this?
[quote]
It would seem to be some type of squelching of minorities, such that it was more difficult for them to speak out, about anything. There is another thread about that concept…[/quote]
You’re reaching again vroomie. Why is it so important for you to label me a racist just because nagin gave a speech literred with racist undertones in it. All I did was call it out. Like I said, your reaching, and reading a little too far into my posts.
But I forgot, you’re much smarter than I am. With much more understanding of sociology and race relations.
Have a good night dumbass.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Maybe I didn’t answer the question well enough.[/quote]
You didn’t answer the questioned asked at all.
Was there a perception that misplaced blacks were left out of the rebuilding process? I personally don’t know any misplaced blacks so I can’t really answer that question, can you? [/quote]
Are you playing games? If so, do better. This has been explained to you in THIS thread.
[quote]
Finally we can agree on something. When nagin made the comment that he needed to make sure that NO wasn’t overrun by hispanics, that too was a racist comment.[/quote]
I consider many of the acts against illegal immigrants and the discdussion of them as if they aren’t people to be racist. I doubt you will accept responsibility for that as you jump on others for similar comments. Please post his quote in another thread and it will be discussed. Otherwise, why are you bringing other topics into this thread?
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As I said, there just might be a perception that they are being left out. Does that make it a reality?, no it doesn’t. [/quote]
When is perception not reality? The answer is, only when a different perception is held by the majority. In this society, apparently perception is only relevant when held by those in power. There is another thread on this topic. Perhaps you should take a look at it.
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Are you realy saying that he can give a speech with racist undertones contained in it, to people who might think they are being left out of the rebuilding process, and that’s OK? So just because they might hold that perception, that speech was fine?[/quote]
His speech was not fine, but it was also not racist. Again, this has been explained to you too many times to count.
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He didn’t say it outright, he implied it. Read between the lines.[/quote]
If you have to read between the lines, what happens if your perception is faulty?
[quote]
We both agree that it was wrong to focus on what color NO should be when rebuilt. And race relations will always be in issue in America and the world for that matter.
I do believe that America needs to know it’s past in order to have a better future. Knowing about our past w/r/t America’s ugly history with slavery, will only help to assure that we don’t regress.[/quote]
That’s funny. I just had one poster arguing that there are no significant racial issues in America. With people that blind in America, it is no wonder we still have a long way to go.
It may have done nothing to enhance the ability to disregard race, however, the issue still needed to be addressed. No one on this board has written that Nagen wrote a nice speech. Not one person has said this. However, to jump from his poor speech to racism skips over the issues that were present that did need to be addressed…in ways much better than how he did so.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Are people tired of being accused of being racist and looking to balance the ledger a bit?[/quote]
If that were all there was to it, they would at least acknowledge that racism still exists and is a factor worthy of noting in society that has many over-reaching effects, especially in terms of minorities.
Nagin wasn’t talking about keeping whites out of NO, he was talking about keeping hispanics out. He is afraid that the hispanic heavy labor force currently involved in the clean up will stay.
I think this has been pointed out in the thread already but it some people keep talking about keeping whites out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
TommyGunn wrote:
Most people, black and white, are successful because they worked hard and had to overcome obstacles. Congratulations. Your story is nothing new.
My friend acknowledges obstacles, as do other people I know…black and white. But he does not consider race an obstacle.
As I said, why don’t you stop speaking for your friend. You have no clue what your friend thinks.
[/quote]
I have NO clue what he thinks? And why do you say that? He can only tell me what he truly feels if he were white or if I were black? LOL I know what he tells me, and he does not think like you. We have been best friends for 25 years. But you, who does NOT even know the guy, knows what he is thinking because you are both black, according to your warped logic. Ok, why don’t you tell me what he thinks, oh omniscient one?
You cannot accept the fact that some black people do not agree with you.
Maybe you do not realize it, but you come across as you do.
[quote]but you speak for ANY black people?
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Yes, when they tell me how they feel. How do you want me to prove how they feel, set up a video conference with all of T-Nation? Have one post? I do not know why you find it so hard to believe that not every black person is going to agree with you. Some will and some won’t.
[quote]They feel the same way I do regarding racial discrimination/prejudice, so I am not making a mistake - I know how they feel.
You are psychic now?[/quote]
No, they tell me. Do you understand that? Do you understand what a conversation is?
Are you going to tell me that they would only tell YOU the truth because you are black?
It is funny how you are trying to tell me that they DO NOT feel a certain way, when you have never spoken to them. It makes you come across as a know it all.
[quote]vroom wrote:
He didn’t say it outright, he implied it. Read between the lines.
Flaming,
The least you could do is be consistent. When people read between the lines and think for themselves, you accuse them of twisting things.
However, when you read between the lines and make up some wild shit, that is appropriate, because it agrees with your beliefs.[/quote]
I am being consistant dumbass. I’ve never strayed from my position that nagin’s speech held racist undertones, so again, go fuck yourself. Did I make this up as wild shit?:
It’s time for us to come together. It’s time for us to rebuild New Orleans ? the one that “should be a chocolate New Orleans,” the mayor said. [b]“This city will be a [u]majority African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.” [/b][/u]
No I didn’t. But thanks for playing. Am I racist for thinking that nagin is nuts for saying this, not too mention his remarks about hispanics overrunning his city? You seem to think so, so it must be true right?
[quote]
You have absolutely zero credibility and can’t even begin to address the issues or questions raised by those you are “arguing” with.[/quote]
Why? because I disagree with you? I didn’t realize that you were the end all be all in regards to the credibility department. You truly are a condecending fuck.
Let me break my position down for you into small manageable pieces.
Nagin stated that NO should be a majority african American city, and that’s the way god wants it. He stated that if NO wasn’t a majority african American city, it wouldn’t be the same NO.
By stating that he and god think that NO should be a majority african American city, that denotes that there should be more black people than any other particular race.
Still with me?
Good. By stating that he wanted more black people than any other race to populate the city, he is calling for a desired racial makeup for his city, and that god himself desires this. The basic premise of this speech is that one race is better than any other for the city of NO.
The notion that one race should be favored over any other in the rebuilding process is racist. Period.
Whether intentional or unintentional, he was implying that more blacks than any other race should populate NO.
If anyone is losing credibility its you vroomie. Your constant twisting, turning, deflecting, and spin makes you look like a real hack.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also black.[/quote]
Really?
Tell me what I am implying, since you know.
The poster said that Nagin is not black, he is creole, inferring that a creole person cannot be black. I responded to that. A creole can be black, or white, or mixed, which is exactly what I posted.
I know that one can be black and not look it based on pure looks. That is not what I was speaking of, was I?
Actually, the article says Nagin is black.
[quote]That while they may be “black”, most of them come from backgrounds with large intermixing of races and cultures.
[/quote]
Again, what does this have to do with what I posted?
[quote]Therefore, believing that a creole is racist against his own blood makes little sense.
[/quote]
If one is 1/2 black and 1/2 white, he can certainly be prejudiced against white people. I am NOT saying that happened here - it is just an example.
[quote]Why do you mention slavery? What does slavery have anything to do with it?
Because this current society is an evolution of past circumstances and has not forgotten them. [/quote]
Ok. And? Much history is remembered. Your point is what? Or you just like bringing slavery up every time race is talked about?
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Why do black people feel like they are being left out? The majority of black people down there have the perception that they are being excluded? Show me the link for this please so that I can see the poll for myself.
The poll? How do you expect this poll would be taken with families so spread out that it took some months just to find relatives who had ended up in other states? [/quote]
Then where are you getting your info from? Give me evidence, not your opinion.
Held by whom? You? Or you polled the majority of black people from NO and can post these common viewpoints for all to see? I am sure we would love to see this.
I am speaking for the black families in NO? I never said I was. I said I was speaking for the black people I personally know. But you keep telling me that I have no clue what they think - do you?
You seem to think that you speak for all black people (or they all feel like you do…which they DO NOT), so, speak up. How many black people have you spoken to from NO?
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Nice condescending tone (“To leave that out of your understanding is incompetent, if not malicious on your part.”). I have seen how you have that tone with a lot of people who do not agree with you.
If it is true, what is your point? [/quote]
You cannot have a conversation without having a condescending tone? You had one with me right off the bat and my post was not even in response to anything you posted. You appear to be a bigot.
[quote] I do not need your definition of racism. Here is the definition of racism straight from a dictionary: 1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
LOL. Let’s go to Wikepedia since you seem to love them so much. They also had this to say:
"On any plausible conception of racism, it usually results in the social, political, and economic advantage of one group in relation to others. After the biologization of the notion of “race” at the 19th century and the creation of “racist theories”, racism was to become one of 20th century’s plague, as in Albert Camus’s 1947 book.
The Armenian Genocide, in the early 20th century, would precede the Holocaust (accompanied by Porrajmos and extermination of others “undesirables” by the Third Reich), followed by multiple genocides and segregation-based systems."
Now, could you please point out to me the advantage given to one group over another in that speech? Who was placed on a hierarchical scale? Oh wait, you didn’t want to take it as far as the truth…just your version of it?[/quote]
What did my post say? I said if a white politician said the same thing he would be considered racist, and many people agree, including you.
So, because I do not agree with you, I must be misinformed?
How about the black people that do not agree with you? Are they misinformed, too? LOL You arrogance is amusing. I guess only the people who agree with you are informed, and everyone else is misinformed. There must be a lot of misinformed white and black people out there, then.
I think that it does not matter what Negan says, he is washed up and has no political career left. The displaced N.O. citizens in my town cant stand him and blame him and Blanco for poor planing. Like the 200 city busses flooded b/c the brain child could not figure out that those busses could carry people out of N.O.
If you ask me I would tell you that his ass should have been driving one of the busses helping them out. During election time droves of people wihtout transportation were being shipped to the polls courtesy Mr. Negan. Where was he when it was time to get the fuck out. He is reaching, trying to reclaim some dignity in the eyes of the Black community in N.O.
Keep reaching Mr. Negan, you have a long haul. I dont see why people come to his rescue on this board, he is partialy responsible for hundreds of deaths in the state of Louisiana along with Blanco. Fuck them and their $500,000 remodle of the Capitol.
Bet your sweet ass Negan had clean sheets and 3 squares since Katrina. Maybe you should spend some time here in Louisiana and see how fucked up our state is politicaly. How teachers get fucked out of promised pay raises to keep the Saints. Or how industry gets pushed away at local levels because of mismanagement by local officials.
Pay our tax rate and look at all the tax revenue that comes in from casinos that are supposed to put computers and books in schools. Take some time to volunteer with Katrina victims and to hear their thoughts of Negan and Blanco. You would be suprised and maybe you would think twice about defending a man who neglected the welfare of his city.
His speech was nothing short of ignorant. I agree with bigflamer on the fact that if a White mayor who lived in a predominatly White city which got destroyed ,made the comment that “his city will be white again” and that “God indtended it to be that way” people would be calling for his or her resignation.
You can beat a dead horse or call it how you see it, but think twice before you defend a man who is desparatly looking for approval after his actions before ,during and after Katrina.
[quote]TommyGunn wrote:
I have NO clue what he thinks? And why do you say that? He can only tell me what he truly feels if he were white or if I were black? LOL I know what he tells me, and he does not think like you. We have been best friends for 25 years. But you, who does NOT even know the guy, knows what he is thinking because you are both black, according to your warped logic. Ok, why don’t you tell me what he thinks, oh omniscient one?[/quote]
This comment is stupid. In fact, it is dumb enough to be the only comment I will respond to you about because you are the only one who holds the position that racism is not a major factor today at all. You are claiming to know how he thinks about these issues.
You are speaking for someone else. Not once have I written that I know how he thinks. I told you that you should quit speaking for him. Inform him of this web site and have HIM speak for himself. This should not be hard for you if you two are such great friends. So, get busy. The next response should be from him.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nagin wasn’t talking about keeping whites out of NO, he was talking about keeping hispanics out. He is afraid that the hispanic heavy labor force currently involved in the clean up will stay.
I think this has been pointed out in the thread already but it some people keep talking about keeping whites out.
[/quote]
Why then did one particular poster try to make it seem as if he was being racist towards hispanics if this was in direct relation to the clean up efforts?
Those speaking about keeping whites out are the crew trying so hard to change Nagen’s words around.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Maybe I didn’t answer the question well enough.
You didn’t answer the questioned asked at all.[/quote]
Yes I did. My answer is that I don’t know what the perception is w/r/t that of misplaced blacks. Sorry if that doesn’t meet your high standards.
[quote]
Was there a perception that misplaced blacks were left out of the rebuilding process? I personally don’t know any misplaced blacks so I can’t really answer that question, can you?
Are you playing games? If so, do better. This has been explained to you in THIS thread.[/quote]
What has been explained to me? that you believe there was a perception that misplaced blacks are being left out of the rebuilding process? Fine, it still doesn’t make it a reality.
[quote]
Finally we can agree on something. When nagin made the comment that he needed to make sure that NO wasn’t overrun by hispanics, that too was a racist comment.
I consider many of the acts against illegal immigrants and the discdussion of them as if they aren’t people to be racist. I doubt you will accept responsibility for that as you jump on others for similar comments. Please post his quote in another thread and it will be discussed. Otherwise, why are you bringing other topics into this thread?[/quote]
You’re right. I’ll keep his other racist comments in other threads.
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As I said, there just might be a perception that they are being left out. Does that make it a reality?, no it doesn’t.
When is perception not reality? The answer is, only when a different perception is held by the majority. In this society, apparently perception is only relevant when held by those in power. There is another thread on this topic. Perhaps you should take a look at it.[/quote]
So there is no right or wrong? No true or false? Only the dominant perception? I don’t agree.
[quote]
Are you realy saying that he can give a speech with racist undertones contained in it, to people who might think they are being left out of the rebuilding process, and that’s OK? So just because they might hold that perception, that speech was fine?
His speech was not fine, but it was also not racist. Again, this has been explained to you too many times to count.[/quote]
YOU’VE explained to me why YOU don’t think it was racist. I don’t agree with your explanation.
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He didn’t say it outright, he implied it. Read between the lines.
If you have to read between the lines, what happens if your perception is faulty?[/quote]
Wait a minute. I thought that perception was always reality? Isn’t it your position that reality is guided only by dominant perception? This would mean that there is no faulty perception, only a perception that is dominant.
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We both agree that it was wrong to focus on what color NO should be when rebuilt. And race relations will always be in issue in America and the world for that matter.
I do believe that America needs to know it’s past in order to have a better future. Knowing about our past w/r/t America’s ugly history with slavery, will only help to assure that we don’t regress.
That’s funny. I just had one poster arguing that there are no significant racial issues in America. With people that blind in America, it is no wonder we still have a long way to go.
When people like nagin make comments such as he did in his horendous speech, we actually go backwards w/r/t race relations. That speech did nothing to enhance America’s ability to look past skin color and see the person and the unique soul contained within. That’s what pisses me off so much.
It may have done nothing to enhance the ability to disregard race, however, the issue still needed to be addressed. No one on this board has written that Nagen wrote a nice speech. Not one person has said this. However, to jump from his poor speech to racism skips over the issues that were present that did need to be addressed…in ways much better than how he did so.[/quote]
I believe that his speech was inherently a racist one. You don’t. That’s fine, however my beliefs don’t make me a racist. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this speech.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
So there is no right or wrong? No true or false? Only the dominant perception? I don’t agree.[/quote]
Is sex at 14 wrong? In some countries that is the legal age of consent. Here it is not. Therefore, it is a prime example of how what is viewed as right and wrong is the result of the views of the majority, not necessarily what is truly right or truly wrong.
[quote]
YOU’VE explained to me why YOU don’t think it was racist. I don’t agree with your explanation.[/quote]
Obviously, I am not the only one.
Your point?
Your attempts to ignore what is being presented to you make you stubborn and illogical. Racism needs the ingredients including elitism and degradation. If it has none of those factors, it can not be racist. That is the simple truth of the matter.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Racism needs the ingredients including elitism and degradation. If it has none of those factors, it can not be racist. That is the simple truth of the matter. [/quote]
By saying that NO should remain predominately black, he is giving preference to one particular race over another. By saying that NO won’t be the same if otherwise is displaying elitism is it not?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nagin wasn’t talking about keeping whites out of NO, he was talking about keeping hispanics out. He is afraid that the hispanic heavy labor force currently involved in the clean up will stay.
I think this has been pointed out in the thread already but it some people keep talking about keeping whites out.
Why then did one particular poster try to make it seem as if he was being racist towards hispanics if this was in direct relation to the clean up efforts?
Those speaking about keeping whites out are the crew trying so hard to change Nagen’s words around.[/quote]
It really shouldnt matter either way. NO is going to have clean up efforts for years, its crazy that somebody wouldnt want cheap workers to come over. Also no matter WHO he was talking about, its the craziest thing he ever said because you would assume that rebuilding the city would involve bringing more people in no matter their racial makeup. He’s really doing the city an injustice by making these remarks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nagin wasn’t talking about keeping whites out of NO, he was talking about keeping hispanics out. He is afraid that the hispanic heavy labor force currently involved in the clean up will stay.
I think this has been pointed out in the thread already but it some people keep talking about keeping whites out.
Why then did one particular poster try to make it seem as if he was being racist towards hispanics if this was in direct relation to the clean up efforts?
Those speaking about keeping whites out are the crew trying so hard to change Nagen’s words around.[/quote]
I don’t know why anyone posts anything but as far as I can tell Nagin’s statement has nothing to do with white people.
New Orleans is a unique city with a very unique ethnic blend. There are currently a whole bunch of hispanic workers cleaning up the city. They are not NO natives.
Nagin wants them to leave when they are done because he wants NO to go back in time and be like it was.
Is this an noble goal or is it racism? I think it is both, but I think the negative aspects of the racism overwhelm the positive parts of his goal.
I think Nagin cracked under the pressure when Katrina wrecked the city and has embarrased himself repeatedly.
The media has been more than happy to stick a camera in his face and let him do it.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I am being consistant dumbass. I’ve never strayed from my position that nagin’s speech held racist undertones, so again, go fuck yourself. Did I make this up as wild shit?:
[/quote]
You are such an idiot. I wasn’t talking about your position you clown. I was talking about the fact that you allow yourself to read between the lines but you don’t allow others to do so. How can you not see that as inconsistent.
Oh, now that you realize your position on this statement is weak, you need to go to some other statement instead? Look, I haven’t seen the statements made concerning hispanics. If they were as you characterize them, then they would be racist, but you seem to be pretty shitty at interpreting what people say, I’ll wait for the real quotes… perhaps in an appropriate thread. This thread happens to be about a certain speech.
Ahahahaha. You ass. You have no credibility because you won’t answer peoples questions, you apply different rules to yourself than others, and you simply make shit up to support your viewpoint. I’m not condescending in any way when I say these things. Oh, yes, that reminds me, you don’t even know the meaning of the words you are arguing about. That makes you stupid, or at least ignorant, it doesn’t make me condescending.
[quote]Let me break my position down for you into small manageable pieces.
Nagin stated that NO should be a majority african American city, and that’s the way god wants it. He stated that if NO wasn’t a majority african American city, it wouldn’t be the same NO.
By stating that he and god think that NO should be a majority african American city, that denotes that there should be more black people than any other particular race.
Still with me?
Good. By stating that he wanted more black people than any other race to populate the city, he is calling for a desired racial makeup for his city, and that god himself desires this. The basic premise of this speech is that one race is better than any other for the city of NO.
The notion that one race should be favored over any other in the rebuilding process is racist. Period.
Whether intentional or unintentional, he was implying that more blacks than any other race should populate NO.
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Sure, so basically, you are saying that Nagin wants to rebuild New Orleans the way it was. You see, while what he said had RACIAL undertones (not racist undertones), it isn’t about picking and choosing who will be there. You can’t even begin to accept the fact he is talking about rebuilding and bringing back the original population.
It’s easy to imagine that’s how God would want it, since that’s how it always was. However, I do think bringing what God wants into his speech was a bad thing to do. Hell, even Nagin has said that he never should have gone there.
To go so far as to say, The basic premise of this speech is that one race is better than any other for the city of NO, is to go well beyond what Nagin actually said.
You believe this, perhaps, but most of the sane world does not. Holy shit, if people actually believed what you believed, the population would be in a mighty uproar.
Perhaps, instead of you being the only person on the planet with correct reason, and everyone else being wrong, most people have figured out what he really meant and know that it wasn’t whatever fabrication you are substituting for his words at the moment.
Halfwit.