Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank who is barely 19 wrote:

When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.

Sniff…sniff…what a wonderful little story…Then you ruined it.

Homosexuality is not a crime.

Actually it was a crime until sometime in the 1970’s about the time we gave up most of our morality. But…I don’t think it should be a crime as long as they stay away from children.

Homosexuality is natural…

Tell me what’s natural about one man climbing on the back of another man and inserting his penis in the mans asshole?

No…it’s quite unnatural.

You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.

I think I’m going to cry…that was beautiful man…(yawn)…anyway…For those who want to get help they can search out reparative therapy it’s got about a 33% chance of working. For those who are happy being homosexual I have no problem with that, but stop trying to play the marriage card because there is far too much promiscuity for such a thing.

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Insightful as always, Troll28.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:
And yet you cant stop fantasizing about it, because it is all so strangely attractive and yet repulsive.

Dont worry, a lot of homophobes share your feelings.

I said no such thing. Perhaps you find it attractive. I’m merely repulsed by it - as are most men and women for that matter. And if being a homophobe means I don’t desire to be confronted with it, and that I don’t support their “rights” as they desire them, well then color me a card carrying flag waving homophobe. Can me and my ilk have a parade? I mean we can’t just cruise around looking for some to beat up any more - that’s against the law. Can we at least have a parade?

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Dude, you had more of a gay sexual fantasy than I will ever have and even felt the urge to post it on a website.

Just admit that you crave ze penis and stop annoying people with your struggling for a sexual identity.

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[quote]orion wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:
And yet you cant stop fantasizing about it, because it is all so strangely attractive and yet repulsive.

Dont worry, a lot of homophobes share your feelings.

I said no such thing. Perhaps you find it attractive. I’m merely repulsed by it - as are most men and women for that matter. And if being a homophobe means I don’t desire to be confronted with it, and that I don’t support their “rights” as they desire them, well then color me a card carrying flag waving homophobe. Can me and my ilk have a parade? I mean we can’t just cruise around looking for some to beat up any more - that’s against the law. Can we at least have a parade?

Dude, you had more of a gay sexual fantasy than I will ever have and even felt the urge to post it on a website.

Just admit that you crave ze penis and stop annoying people with your struggling for a sexual identity.[/quote]

Yep, there is noting gayer than a parade for straight people.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

And you go right on thinking that taking and/or giving a hard one in your exit hole is a good health choice and the basis for a “lifestyle” that the rest of the Country should underwrite and support.

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I bet you would have no problem having excessive amounts of anal sex with one of your supposed “hook-ups”.

But the world turns upside down when men do it?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s not all that surprising that you find gay sex disgusting since you’re straight. I do think it’s funny how many straight guys are turned on by lesbian sex, though. Apparently homosexuality is ok, as long as it only involves women.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince people of anything. You’re entitled to your opinions, however misguided.[/quote]

That’s a very good statement. Like I said, just let people live their lives in peace. As long as people are educated about HIV and the importance of safe sex, HIV will continue to become less common. Take care of yourself, play your part in the fight for disease prevention, and treat others the way you want to be treated. That’s all that matters in this discussion.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
orion wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:
And yet you cant stop fantasizing about it, because it is all so strangely attractive and yet repulsive.

Dont worry, a lot of homophobes share your feelings.

I said no such thing. Perhaps you find it attractive. I’m merely repulsed by it - as are most men and women for that matter. And if being a homophobe means I don’t desire to be confronted with it, and that I don’t support their “rights” as they desire them, well then color me a card carrying flag waving homophobe. Can me and my ilk have a parade? I mean we can’t just cruise around looking for some to beat up any more - that’s against the law. Can we at least have a parade?

Dude, you had more of a gay sexual fantasy than I will ever have and even felt the urge to post it on a website.

Just admit that you crave ze penis and stop annoying people with your struggling for a sexual identity.

Yep, there is noting gayer than a parade for straight people.[/quote]

Parades are gay, period, but I was referring to his fantasies about Forlifes relationship with his partner.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

I’m not gay but I’m in the waiting room. I just see a need to protect there rights and lifestyle.

I fixed your post.

What rights do we speak of? I’m not sure any rights have been taken from them. If you mean marriage and benefits, well you’re speaking of “granting” rights. Tell me, if they are granted these rights, is that when you step out of the waiting room and hop on that horse?

Tell me Einstein, what is the “need” to protect their lifestyle. I’d like to hear it. So we can have more shows on Bravo?

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No, you haven’t fixed anything except your mindset.

I could speak volumes about the need to protect any human beings rights to live in peace and be free from prejudice. It is not your responsibility to understand homosexuals, but if you can’t understand who someone is than at least have the humility to allow them to live there lifestyle in peace.

Homosexuality is not a plague or a problem in any sense, just like the metaphorical caterpillar was never going to harm me. If all heterosexuals wrapped there dicks than the disease would be strictly confined to the gay/bi population. However any study will show that there are numerous straight men with the virus.

I believe you have already mentioned that you can’t go around beating up gays because it is against the law. If it wasn’t a law, would you really do it? You sound a lot like a six year old boy eager to smash an ugly caterpillar.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.

Forlife you need to brush up on the latest polls. The overwhelming majority of people still do not favor any sort of gay marriage. But, who knows 2000 more posts from you and you can get something started, but I doubt it.

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Yeah, rights should be delegated to us by deliberative bodies watching poll numbers. I mean who cares if those uppity negroes want to vote, the overwhelming majority of people think they shouldn’t.

mike

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.

Forlife you need to brush up on the latest polls. The overwhelming majority of people still do not favor any sort of gay marriage. But, who knows 2000 more posts from you and you can get something started, but I doubt it.

Yeah, rights should be delegated to us by deliberative bodies watching poll numbers. I mean who cares if those uppity negroes want to vote, the overwhelming majority of people think they shouldn’t.

mike[/quote]

We have no rights, just privileges, granted by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, praised be her name.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

I
I can see who I’m trying to have a conversation with here.

Likewise.

You think that because you find a .com website that partly dispells one of my side points that I am therefore performing “mental gymnastics”. You’re an idiot and an ignoramus. How do you have the kind of wild audacity to ignore a CONTINENT ravaged by HIV and claim that it is caused by homosexuals? You even rejected my claims that I know people whose parents were killed by the virus! One of my friend’s parents died of HIV that the man got from another woman In Africa. Incredible…

And so your friends must apparently be minorities, have no high school education, and are very poor? Well I guess I know why your information and logic suffer so greatly. If that were true, as well as the claim that they have had unprotected sex with 100’s of women (please buddy, your so full of shit), they would statistically be an anomaly for not contracting diseases. [/quote]

Seeing as you’re from Vermont, you probably have zero experience with “minorities” (which are now a majority in California) whatsoever aside from your SWPL trips to Africa where Africans aren’t minorities either.

Most of the HIV transmission in Africa isn’t sexual. Of the sexually transmitted cases, they are overwhelmingly through anal sex:
http://www.fumento.com/disease/aids2005.html

This is exactly what I said earlier: the vagina is simply a more robust structure and much less prone to tearing. It was made to take a pounding, if you will. So, perhaps your “heterosexual” friend who contracted it from his wife needs to be a bit more honest. The odds of a man contracting the disease from a woman who is not a prostitute are vanishingly small.

The data on minority HIV incidence in this country tends to deal with a lot of groups in which homosexuality is highly stigmatized, therefore on the “down low.” In one study, the “heterosexual” minorities with HIV were moved to teh “homosexual” column after researchers found that they had loose sphincter muscles and ano-rectal STDs.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

And you go right on thinking that taking and/or giving a hard one in your exit hole is a good health choice and the basis for a “lifestyle” that the rest of the Country should underwrite and support.

I bet you would have no problem having excessive amounts of anal sex with one of your supposed “hook-ups”.

But the world turns upside down when men do it?[/quote]

Actually I do have a problem with that. That’s a pretty intimate act. I gotta know a woman really well for that. That’s not a random thing. I understand that’s hard for you to grasp given the randomness of anal sex among you and your buddies, but I’m a bit more selective when it comes to “putting it in her pooper”. Perhaps you should do likewise before putting it in his…

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[quote]orion wrote:

Parades are gay, period, but I was referring to his fantasies about Forlifes relationship with his partner.

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Yeah, Carnivale, Mardi Gras…very gay in an anti-matter world kind of way.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
That’s a very good statement. Like I said, just let people live their lives in peace. As long as people are educated about HIV and the importance of safe sex, HIV will continue to become less common. Take care of yourself, play your part in the fight for disease prevention, and treat others the way you want to be treated. That’s all that matters in this discussion.[/quote]

Exactly. Nobody’s mind is going to change as a result of this thread. If nothing else, hopefully it will be a reminder that AIDS and other STDs are real, and that responsible sex is important whether you are gay or straight.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you haven’t fixed anything except your mindset.

I could speak volumes about the need to protect any human beings rights to live in peace and be free from prejudice. It is not your responsibility to understand homosexuals, but if you can’t understand who someone is than at least have the humility to allow them to live there lifestyle in peace.

Homosexuality is not a plague or a problem in any sense, just like the metaphorical caterpillar was never going to harm me. If all heterosexuals wrapped there dicks than the disease would be strictly confined to the gay/bi population. However any study will show that there are numerous straight men with the virus.

I believe you have already mentioned that you can’t go around beating up gays because it is against the law. If it wasn’t a law, would you really do it? You sound a lot like a six year old boy eager to smash an ugly caterpillar.[/quote]

You pathetic save the world liberl. You have no clue about my feeling about the subject. No one said they don’t have the right to live in peace and without prejudice. Hell, I’ve worked along side gay guys and could care less. Just don’t put your sexuality in my face - it’s not appropriate in the work place - for heteros or homos. They can live whatever lifestyle they choose, whether that be fudge packing with you and your buds or, fucking rabbits - I don’t much care. However, we were talking marriage, benefits, etc. So please try to pay attention and stop diverting the discussion with your touchy feely bullshit about catapillars and butterflies.

As for beating gays, I was being purposefully provocative, a nuance obviously lost on you no doubt due to the liberal marinade sprinkled on your brain. I don’t care what they do. Are we clear? I just don’t support giving them marriage, benefits, child rearing, etc. rights. You and your catapillars. LOL

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:

Parades are gay, period, but I was referring to his fantasies about Forlifes relationship with his partner.

Yeah, Carnivale, Mardi Gras…very gay in an anti-matter world kind of way.

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Costumed gay parades even.

No there is nothing gay about that at all.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

And you go right on thinking that taking and/or giving a hard one in your exit hole is a good health choice and the basis for a “lifestyle” that the rest of the Country should underwrite and support.

I bet you would have no problem having excessive amounts of anal sex with one of your supposed “hook-ups”.

But the world turns upside down when men do it?

Actually I do have a problem with that. That’s a pretty intimate act. I gotta know a woman really well for that. That’s not a random thing. I understand that’s hard for you to grasp given the randomness of anal sex among you and your buddies, but I’m a bit more selective when it comes to “putting it in her pooper”. Perhaps you should do likewise before putting it in his…[/quote]

I’m not gay, but thanks for the advice.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you haven’t fixed anything except your mindset.

I could speak volumes about the need to protect any human beings rights to live in peace and be free from prejudice. It is not your responsibility to understand homosexuals, but if you can’t understand who someone is than at least have the humility to allow them to live there lifestyle in peace.

Homosexuality is not a plague or a problem in any sense, just like the metaphorical caterpillar was never going to harm me. If all heterosexuals wrapped there dicks than the disease would be strictly confined to the gay/bi population. However any study will show that there are numerous straight men with the virus.

I believe you have already mentioned that you can’t go around beating up gays because it is against the law. If it wasn’t a law, would you really do it? You sound a lot like a six year old boy eager to smash an ugly caterpillar.

You pathetic save the world liberl. You have no clue about my feeling about the subject. No one said they don’t have the right to live in peace and without prejudice. Hell, I’ve worked along side gay guys and could care less. Just don’t put your sexuality in my face - it’s not appropriate in the work place - for heteros or homos. They can live whatever lifestyle they choose, whether that be fudge packing with you and your buds or, fucking rabbits - I don’t much care. However, we were talking marriage, benefits, etc. So please try to pay attention and stop diverting the discussion with your touchy feely bullshit about catapillars and butterflies.

As for beating gays, I was being purposefully provocative, a nuance obviously lost on you no doubt due to the liberal marinade sprinkled on your brain. I don’t care what they do. Are we clear? I just don’t support giving them marriage, benefits, child rearing, etc. rights. You and your catapillars. LOL

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HAHA, spoken like a true pissed of conservative. It’s good to hear that you’re not in fact the type of person who enjoys beating homosexuals, or any other type of minority. And you’re right about sexuality at work, it’s not appropriate at all.

However, for the last time I don’t appreciate you labeling my sexuality. It’s not appropriate in any social setting whatsoever.

And as for my “touchy feely bullshit”, we are talking about civil rights. Prejudice inevitably surrounds civil rights issues, for instance you believe all homosexuals are unfit for certain rights. However, if I could prove that even a handful of homosexual men were fit to raise children and even do a remarkable job with them would that make you think. Parents are always screened for adoption regardless so what’s really the issue with you?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Seeing as you’re from Vermont, you probably have zero experience with “minorities” (which are now a majority in California) whatsoever aside from your SWPL trips to Africa where Africans aren’t minorities either.

Most of the HIV transmission in Africa isn’t sexual. Of the sexually transmitted cases, they are overwhelmingly through anal sex:
http://www.fumento.com/disease/aids2005.html

The chief reason it’s so hard to spread HIV vaginally is that, as biopsies of vaginal and cervical tissue show, the virus is unable to penetrate or infect healthy vaginal or cervical tissue. Various sexually transmitted diseases allow vaginal HIV infection, but even those appear to increase the risk only by about 2-4 times.

This is exactly what I said earlier: the vagina is simply a more robust structure and much less prone to tearing. It was made to take a pounding, if you will. So, perhaps your “heterosexual” friend who contracted it from his wife needs to be a bit more honest. The odds of a man contracting the disease from a woman who is not a prostitute are vanishingly small.

The data on minority HIV incidence in this country tends to deal with a lot of groups in which homosexuality is highly stigmatized, therefore on the “down low.” In one study, the “heterosexual” minorities with HIV were moved to teh “homosexual” column after researchers found that they had loose sphincter muscles and ano-rectal STDs. [/quote]

Firstly I’m sorry for writing angrily. I have friends and people within my community affected by AIDS which makes this topic difficult.

But, just because I live in Vermont doesn’t mean I go to school here. Last year I went to a school with around 30% black people. I also live beside a very noteworthy university which has a lot of diversity.

You’re definitely right about anal sex being the easiest method of transmission. I’m not going to argue against that, I’ve read it in several of my college textbooks already. However many hetero men engage in anal sex, so it’s not an issue of sexuality. Also a reliable percentage definitely contract the disease through vaginal sex.

As for your reference, it’s another .com which means it’s 100% unreliable. It actually says the World Health Organization agrees with my contention that most of the disease has been spread through heterosexual sex, the article just happens to disagree with those findings which is in itself very questionable. The World Health Organization at least performs peer reviewed studies, which this article clearly has not.

You can believe what you want to believe, but logicality doesn’t permit me to believe that Homosexuals are responsible for 12 million AIDS orphans.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
forlife wrote:
If it were primarily a gay disease, how do you explain that most new cases of HIV are among straight black women in Africa?

Come on, use some common sense. People that are sexually irresponsible put themselves at risk of getting HIV and other STDs. If you’re in a monagmous relationship, your risk of getting an STD is zero, regardless of whether or not the person is the same gender as you.

rape and the belief in some African countries. that if you have sex with a virgin, that doing so will cure you. I’m sure many of these married men are secretly gay. many African cultures have stigmas attached to being homosexuals. many get married to women and secretly still have sex with men.

Thats especially true among black women here in the U.S.! Alot of black men secretly have sex with other men, catch HIV and then pass it on to their wives and girlfriends. Outside of those down low black men, virtually no one else carries the virus.

And ive been called a troll 10 times, but no one still explained the Magic Johnson thing to me. The more i get called a troll the more right I think I am![/quote]

Geez, I really wanted to stay out of this one…but how fucking dumb can you be?

Maybe the reason that Magic Johnson is the only one of those sports stars you’ve heard of contracting HIV is because it happened when the country was acutely aware of the disease and he made for an excellent spokesperson for HIV awareness when it was needed most.

On top of that, the likelihood of an extremely famous athlete involved in contact sports where blood could be exchanged putting themselves in a position to lose their career and livelihood when drug tests are performed bi-monthly would be an outrageously costly mistake, so wrapping it up would be an easy solution for them.

To say that the gay community is extremely promiscuous is interesting too. Where’s your proof? Anecdotal evidence, or personal experience? It has to be one of the two. No none-biased study has shown homosexuals to be more “sexual” then heterosexuals.

It has been documented over and over again that the reason for the HIV epidemic in Africa is primarily from the rape of young girls by infected men, who then have infected babies. It’s not because a disproportionate number of tribal African men are gay. How exactly does that factor in?

The fact is that it is an easily erasable virus. People with it need to stop having any kind of intimate contact with people who don’t have it.

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Right, I get it. “Diversity is strength.” YOu have black friends. You are doubleplusunracist.

[quote]You can believe what you want to believe, but logicality doesn’t permit me to believe that Homosexuals are responsible for 12 million AIDS orphans.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...ica/2511829.stm[/quote]

The prompt was “the myth of heterosexual AIDS.” For all intents and purposes, it is a myth. Only one strain of HIV has an affinity for vaginal cells and even then it doesn’t apply to all races. HIV in Africa is NOT PRIMARILY SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED. Of the sexually transmitted cases, it is my contention that anal transmission is primary.

They revised that in 2008:

lolwut? According to you? But you linked a .bbc.co.uk. Let’s stop playing these silly games here. The guy at teh link provided references (read: evidence) of what he was saying.