Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
forlife wrote:
I’m just wondering how you would feel if you were actually gay. I realize it’s hard to relate, but try looking at it from my perspective. My partner and I have been together for two years, and have done all the paperwork currently allowed under Texas law. However, I’m not able to be covered under his health insurance despite losing my job a couple weeks ago. We still have to file our taxes as if we were single. If he were to die, I wouldn’t have survivorship benefits. It’s not just a political issue for us, these are real concerns that have consequences for our lives.

Can I be honest with you? I’m going to be anyway…

I really don’t care about your perspective. You engage in an alternative lifestyle and you should not expect the benefits and entitlements given to the mainstream. I mean, where does it end? Which deviant behavior do we accept and which do we reject?

Let’s say a group of rabbit fuckers emerges because hey, rabbit pussy is good pussy. Do we accept them? Do we issue permits for thier parades? Or do we protect the rabbits, like we protect society from the burden of having to finance your risky lifestyle or, like we protect children from coming under your joint care? Too bad you lost your job - seriously.

But I have no sympathy for your not being able to leach off your “partner’s” benefits. If he wants to leave you property that’s fine - hell people leave significant sums to animals. But now you’re talking pooled money by all those that participate in SS. Not on my watch.
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The gay response to your rabbit comparison is that animals cannot consent therefore the argument is null and void. However, when adults consent it should be accepted and in fact filtered into normal society and given marriage status. Therefore, the better retort might be to point out how if homosexuality is accepted then of course all forms of adult marriage should be accepted. Things such as incestuous and polygamous relationships should also be given a higher status, marriage anyone? Both of these perversions are in fact waiting on the sidelines of the gay marriage debate and are no doubt chomping at the bit to have their own private perversion mandated by our now sinking society.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

The gay response to your rabbit comparison is that animals cannot consent therefore the argument is null and void. However, when adults consent it should be accepted and in fact filtered into normal society and given marriage status. Therefore, the better retort might be to point out how if homosexuality is accepted then of course all forms of adult marriage should be accepted. Things such as incestuous and polygamous relationships should also be given a higher status, marriage anyone? Both of these perversions are in fact waiting on the sidelines of the gay marriage debate and are no doubt chomping at the bit to have their own private perversion mandated by our now sinking society.

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Sorry you missed it. I did it purposely and not with any designs on consent arguments. I simply compared homosexual behavior to animals. Awkward maybe, but not intended to be as deep as you are thinking obviously. I am reduced to these types of responses when faced with tear jerking tales of a 7 year old crushing a catapillar, gays worried about not receiving social security benefits at the death of their “mate”, “what if you were gay how would you feel” and other permutations of the histrionic drivel that I have read in the last few pages.

Cliff notes:

  1. Homosexual sex and needle sharing are the top transmitters of HIV;
  2. Female to male heterosexualal transmission much less likely, hence the “heterosexual myth”;
  3. Women still contract HIV at an alarming rate compared to others because, well, let’s face it, there are many undercover fags running amok sleeping with women too (notice I didn’t say “bi-sexual” as a nod to an old but good Andrew Dice Clay routine about “bi-sexual”). Next, there are a good deal of needle sharing drug addicts having sex with women too. In fact, one of my best friends wife passed from AIDS and that is exactly how she contracted it. After 10 years together and obviously no safe sex until she became sick, he is HIV free;
  4. Along comes the left wing homosexual sympathizers (along with some homosexuals - didn’t know we had them in the “open” here) wanting you to believe that HIV is an equal opportunity disease - it is not;
  5. Bad science and histrionic replies follow; and,
  6. Now, gay marriage and benefits are now somehow on the table.

That about sum it up?
5.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .

Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.

Aaaahh, I see, you’re a bottom.

“Natural” in the sense that it occurs? You’re trying to rely upon technicalities when you damn well understand what I’m saying. If something ocurs in nature, well of course it’s “natural”. There are always outliers in any organism and all manner of feak occurrence; two heads, extra digits, missing limbs - shall I continue? Just because nature “permitted” it, doesn’t mean it will survive. Following your reasoning, homosexuality is indeed “natural”, but as “natural” as murder, incest, bestiality, child abuse, and all manner of other “natural” deviant behavior. Yeah, good argument!

When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.

Homosexuality is not a crime. Crimes can be reduced and mitigated in severity while Homosexuality is natural and consistent. You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.

Yeah, that was cute…and a bit dramatic. No one wants to smash them under a rock but at the same time, I don’t want to suffer deviant behavior under the guise that it is “natural” - on the sole basis that it merely occurs, therefore it’s “natural”. You and other gays can do what they want in the privacy of your own home - just don’t expect my support for marriage, benefits or child rearing.

By the way, did you get turned out on the camping trip by an older camp counselor? I"m just wondering.

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I’m not gay. I just see a need to protect there rights and lifestyle.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.

Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.

If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.

I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs.

Why don’t you take a look at the continent of Africa?!? In most African countries homosexuality is not even recognized and is completely underground.

Ready for the contradiction?

Meanwhile in some places half the population contracts the disease from unprotected heterosexual sex. That’s a pretty obvious point…

There it is. It’s interesting to watch these mental gymnastics.

Because they were probably white, educated, and of a relatively high socioeconomic status.
False, false, and false.
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The mental gymnastics that assert heterosexual transmission in Africa after just getting through saying that homosexuality is “not recognized” and “completely underground.” I also found this:
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/africa_pre.html

By “heterosexual,” you must mean “bisexual.” Interesting flip there.

You asserted that my heterosexual friends hadn’t gotten HIV because of their high SES, their whiteness, and education. NOne of these are true of my friends.

I can see who I’m trying to have a conversation with here.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

I’m not gay but I’m in the waiting room. I just see a need to protect there rights and lifestyle.[/quote]

I fixed your post.

What rights do we speak of? I’m not sure any rights have been taken from them. If you mean marriage and benefits, well you’re speaking of “granting” rights. Tell me, if they are granted these rights, is that when you step out of the waiting room and hop on that horse?

Tell me Einstein, what is the “need” to protect their lifestyle. I’d like to hear it. So we can have more shows on Bravo?

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I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.[/quote]

Sounds like you are trying to convince me in a roundabout way but you’re right - I’m pretty set against it. Yup, I’m not gay so I don’t feel the way you do. If I were in prison, I’d probably want to be out also. But I’m not gay or in prison. Oh well, I’ll just keep disagreeing with you. You should have no rights/benefits as it concerns federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level). You can always move to another country with a higher perversity tolerance.

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While having at it with you, I keep getting this creepy image of you calling to your lover, calling him over to the screen to see what has been written and your replies; he sits on your lap and casually puts his hand around your shoulder while the two of you “gay it up” about those hetero-cavemen on the T-Mag site. You share an open mouthed kiss and then your lover goes down on you - while you type yet another reply about gay “rights”. I’m truly disgusted by the potential imagery there.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
TBT4ver wrote:
orion wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was just outside in the courtyard of our building, taking a break. And something occurred that probably occurs hundreds of times each week. A nice looking woman walked by, sat down, our eyes met, and there was a slight smile. Now, if she said, hi, my name is _______ , why don’t you follow me over to the parking garage stairwell for a quickie, I’d probably comply - albeit with some suspicion - but I’m making a point.

Now, if I’m a gay male, another gay males approaches, sits, eyes meet, smile, etc. - a few moments later we’re both walking over to the parking garage and my only worry is getting back to work on time and not getting caught in the act.

Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. I’m sure murder, incest, bestiality and all manner of perversities were around since the dawn of man - there truly is nothing new within the spectrum of human behavior, but it don’t make it natural, moral or acceptable.

I think heteros and homos should make a pact. We heteros will continue to keep our sexuality private and we ask that you do the same. Is that such a hard thing to ask? …When I’m King of the World, the next time the heteros throw their hetero-day parade, I’ll issue the permit for your gay parade. The foregoing logic is not limited to homosexuality, lest you think you’re being singled out.

I like it how effortless natural, moral and acceptable become synonyms.

That this is part of an Internet post is an additional nice touch.

I also like how how we live in a sitcom where every woman is chaste and every man has absolutely zero self-control.

I’m talking and comparing generalities which obviously flew over your head at about 20,000 feet cruising altitude. Thanks for nitting up the post. Nit.

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You are talking a little bit too general-

What is natural, what is moral and what is acceptable are three very different categories or otherwise you writing your remarks on a keyboard would be immoral.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
While having at it with you, I keep getting this creepy image of you calling to your lover, calling him over to the screen to see what has been written and your replies; he sits on your lap and casually puts his hand around your shoulder while the two of you “gay it up” about those hetero-cavemen on the T-Mag site. You share an open mouthed kiss and then your lover goes down on you - while you type yet another reply about gay “rights”. I’m truly disgusted by the potential imagery there.[/quote]

And yet you cant stop fantasizing about it, because it is all so strangely attractive and yet repulsive.

Dont worry, a lot of homophobes share your feelings.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

I
I can see who I’m trying to have a conversation with here.

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Likewise.

You think that because you find a .com website that partly dispells one of my side points that I am therefore performing “mental gymnastics”. You’re an idiot and an ignoramus. How do you have the kind of wild audacity to ignore a CONTINENT ravaged by HIV and claim that it is caused by homosexuals? You even rejected my claims that I know people whose parents were killed by the virus! One of my friend’s parents died of HIV that the man got from another woman In Africa. Incredible…

And so your friends must apparently be minorities, have no high school education, and are very poor? Well I guess I know why your information and logic suffer so greatly. If that were true, as well as the claim that they have had unprotected sex with 100’s of women (please buddy, your so full of shit), they would statistically be an anomaly for not contracting diseases.

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It’s not all that surprising that you find gay sex disgusting since you’re straight. I do think it’s funny how many straight guys are turned on by lesbian sex, though. Apparently homosexuality is ok, as long as it only involves women.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince people of anything. You’re entitled to your opinions, however misguided.

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[quote]orion wrote:
And yet you cant stop fantasizing about it, because it is all so strangely attractive and yet repulsive.

Dont worry, a lot of homophobes share your feelings. [/quote]

I said no such thing. Perhaps you find it attractive. I’m merely repulsed by it - as are most men and women for that matter. And if being a homophobe means I don’t desire to be confronted with it, and that I don’t support their “rights” as they desire them, well then color me a card carrying flag waving homophobe. Can me and my ilk have a parade? I mean we can’t just cruise around looking for some to beat up any more - that’s against the law. Can we at least have a parade?

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[quote]orion wrote:

You are talking a little bit too general-

What is natural, what is moral and what is acceptable are three very different categories or otherwise you writing your remarks on a keyboard would be immoral.
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I’ll speak as I see fit. You however have added nothing, neither positive nor negative, to the threadd. You’re a peanut in the gallery. Lukewarm. Nothing quite insightful. Background noise at best.

And my point was NOT too general. Are you denying that a spontaneous gay tryst is less difficult than a hetero one? I’d say it’s somewhere in the magnitude of 1000’s of times easier. What can be more “general” than a retort along the lines of reasoning that both permiscuous women and men of control exist?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s not all that surprising that you find gay sex disgusting since you’re straight. I do think it’s funny how many straight guys are turned on by lesbian sex, though. Apparently homosexuality is ok, as long as it only involves women.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince people of anything. You’re entitled to your opinions, however misguided.[/quote]

Well, I’ll go you one further. WOMEN are likewise disgusted by gay male sex. What does that tell you?

And yes, you’re passively aggressively attempting to convince me my opinion is “misguided”. I say your feeling of an entitlement to rights beyond exercising your chosen lifestyle is “misguided”.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:

You are talking a little bit too general-

What is natural, what is moral and what is acceptable are three very different categories or otherwise you writing your remarks on a keyboard would be immoral.

I’ll speak as I see fit. You however have added nothing, neither positive nor negative, to the threadd. You’re a peanut in the gallery. Lukewarm. Nothing quite insightful. Background noise at best.

And my point was NOT too general. Are you denying that a spontaneous gay tryst is less difficult than a hetero one? I’d say it’s somewhere in the magnitude of 1000’s of times easier. What can be more “general” than a retort along the lines of reasoning that both permiscuous women and men of control exist?
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You might find it that hard to hook up but most straight guys don’t :wink:

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
forlife wrote:
It’s not all that surprising that you find gay sex disgusting since you’re straight. I do think it’s funny how many straight guys are turned on by lesbian sex, though. Apparently homosexuality is ok, as long as it only involves women.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince people of anything. You’re entitled to your opinions, however misguided.

Well, I’ll go you one further. WOMEN are likewise disgusted by gay male sex. What does that tell you?

And yes, you’re passively aggressively attempting to convince me my opinion is “misguided”. I say your feeling of an entitlement to rights beyond exercising your chosen lifestyle is “misguided”.
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Dude, don’t flatter yourself. Your opinion doesn’t matter to me, I’m just here to represent my perspective. You’re entitled to think whatever you want about gays, I’m under no illusion that anything I say would make you think any differently.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
orion wrote:

You are talking a little bit too general-

What is natural, what is moral and what is acceptable are three very different categories or otherwise you writing your remarks on a keyboard would be immoral.

I’ll speak as I see fit. You however have added nothing, neither positive nor negative, to the threadd. You’re a peanut in the gallery. Lukewarm. Nothing quite insightful. Background noise at best.

And my point was NOT too general. Are you denying that a spontaneous gay tryst is less difficult than a hetero one? I’d say it’s somewhere in the magnitude of 1000’s of times easier. What can be more “general” than a retort along the lines of reasoning that both permiscuous women and men of control exist?

You might find it that hard to hook up but most straight guys don’t ;-)[/quote]

Uh, I hook up just fine. In fact, ease of hook up is a problem for me, not a benefit. It was only after I started using discretion that my life had some clarity.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
forlife wrote:
It’s not all that surprising that you find gay sex disgusting since you’re straight. I do think it’s funny how many straight guys are turned on by lesbian sex, though. Apparently homosexuality is ok, as long as it only involves women.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince people of anything. You’re entitled to your opinions, however misguided.

Well, I’ll go you one further. WOMEN are likewise disgusted by gay male sex. What does that tell you?

And yes, you’re passively aggressively attempting to convince me my opinion is “misguided”. I say your feeling of an entitlement to rights beyond exercising your chosen lifestyle is “misguided”.

Dude, don’t flatter yourself. Your opinion doesn’t matter to me, I’m just here to represent my perspective. You’re entitled to think whatever you want about gays, I’m under no illusion that anything I say would make you think any differently.[/quote]

And you go right on thinking that taking and/or giving a hard one in your exit hole is a good health choice and the basis for a “lifestyle” that the rest of the Country should underwrite and support.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.[/quote]

Forlife you need to brush up on the latest polls. The overwhelming majority of people still do not favor any sort of gay marriage. But, who knows 2000 more posts from you and you can get something started, but I doubt it.