Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

HAHA, spoken like a true pissed of conservative. It’s good to hear that you’re not in fact the type of person who enjoys beating homosexuals, or any other type of minority. And you’re right about sexuality at work, it’s not appropriate at all.

However, for the last time I don’t appreciate you labeling my sexuality. It’s not appropriate in any social setting whatsoever.

And as for my “touchy feely bullshit”, we are talking about civil rights. Prejudice inevitably surrounds civil rights issues, for instance you believe all homosexuals are unfit for certain rights. However, if I could prove that even a handful of homosexual men were fit to raise children and even do a remarkable job with them would that make you think. Parents are always screened for adoption regardless so what’s really the issue with you?
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FAIL.

I’m not even remotely pissed off about anything and I’m not necessarily a conservative. As Chris Rock said, I’m conservative on some things, liberal on others. In fact, I consider myself a bit of a libertarian. As for labeling your sexuality, if the label fits girl, wear it, work it girl!

And you could never prove to me that a single homosexual man should raise a child - the idea is repugnant to me. And yes, I’m aware of all the unfit hetero parents (before you raise the issue). And no, adoption is not the only issue. I don’t believe they are entitled to marriage, spousal benefits, adoption, etc. You and your kind are free to live your lifestyle free from prejudice and abuse - and that’s it.

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[quote]Jeffe wrote:

Maybe the reason that Magic Johnson is the only one of those sports stars you’ve heard of contracting HIV is because it happened when the country was acutely aware of the disease and he made for an excellent spokesperson for HIV awareness when it was needed most.

On top of that, the likelihood of an extremely famous athlete involved in contact sports where blood could be exchanged putting themselves in a position to lose their career and livelihood when drug tests are performed bi-monthly would be an outrageously costly mistake, so wrapping it up would be an easy solution for them.

To say that the gay community is extremely promiscuous is interesting too. Where’s your proof? Anecdotal evidence, or personal experience? It has to be one of the two. No none-biased study has shown homosexuals to be more “sexual” then heterosexuals.

It has been documented over and over again that the reason for the HIV epidemic in Africa is primarily from the rape of young girls by infected men, who then have infected babies. It’s not because a disproportionate number of tribal African men are gay. How exactly does that factor in?

The fact is that it is an easily erasable virus. People with it need to stop having any kind of intimate contact with people who don’t have it. [/quote]

I was playing basketball professional overseas when Magic was announced, and playing here in the States semi-professionally. I knew guys on the Clippers that went to his parties. His parties were infamous and legendary for their debauchery. He probably had hundreds, if not thousands of sexual conquests. I’ve also heard rumors of his bisexuality. And they weren’t “media” rumors, but rumors from within that professional community. I don’t necessarily accept them, but neither do I outright dismiss them. Whatever means he contracted the virus, he earned it.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.

Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.

If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.

I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs. [/quote]

There’s plenty of proof (and there is certainly a non-neglible amount of heterosexuals in this country who contrac HIV each year) Statistics bear this out. Not hard to find. I’m not going to dig anything up. All reasonably intelligent people realize the importance of safe sex. I thought you were one of them but maybe not. Your friends are lucky.

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A simple google search reveals this:

http://www.hvtn.org/community/straight.html

Any real research would reveal much more. But it’s so patently obvious that it shouldn’t be necessary. Anyone that is so naive or wilfull to insist otherwise really deserves what they get.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

And you could never prove to me that a single homosexual man should raise a child - the idea is repugnant to me. And yes, I’m aware of all the unfit hetero parents (before you raise the issue). And no, adoption is not the only issue. I don’t believe they are entitled to marriage, spousal benefits, adoption, etc. You and your kind are free to live your lifestyle free from prejudice and abuse - and that’s it.

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The same with a lesbian couple as well.

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And incidentally, this book was published in 1989 when HIV/AIDS was still primarily contracted by homosexuals. It has little relevance today where some 30+% of HIV/AIDS is contracted by heterosexual sex, 40 some % by homosexual sex, and the remainder by IV drug use, tainted blood transfusions or other means.

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HIV aside, how does anyone explain outbreaks of diseases that affect almost exclusively homosexuals, almost unknown to heterosexuals such as: gay bowel syndrome, hepatitis A, scarlet fever?

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
I wasn’t attempting to convince you that gays should have equal rights, since many conversations in the past have proven that people are unlikely to change their minds.

Instead, I was hoping you would at least understand why I care about equal rights. If you happened to love someone of the same gender, I’m sure you would feel the same way I do about having equal rights. Gays are treated like second class citizens when it comes to federal taxes, social security, immigration, child custody, health insurance, and a host of other issues (over 1,000 at the federal level).

It’s not just an abstract political cause for me. It’s personal, and has pragmatic consequences for my life.

Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans support equal rights for gays, and I think we will see real progress in my lifetime. I’m a lot more fortunate than gays/lesbians from earlier generations.

Forlife you need to brush up on the latest polls. The overwhelming majority of people still do not favor any sort of gay marriage. But, who knows 2000 more posts from you and you can get something started, but I doubt it.

Yeah, rights should be delegated to us by deliberative bodies watching poll numbers. I mean who cares if those uppity negroes want to vote, the overwhelming majority of people think they shouldn’t.

mike[/quote]

It was forlife who came to yet one more false conclusion that massive amounts of people changing their minds regarding gay marriage. My rebuttal was speaking to his false conclusion. But that was a nice try at a comparison that does not and never did exist. Keep swinging you may eventually hit something.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
HIV aside, how does anyone explain outbreaks of diseases that affect almost exclusively homosexuals, almost unknown to heterosexuals such as: gay bowel syndrome, hepatitis A, scarlet fever?[/quote]

It is pretty obvious. Anal sex and the fecal-oral route is not particularly healthy and makes it easier to contract a whole host of diseases. But scarlet fever does not occur almost exclusively in homosexuals by any means. Scarlet fever occus mostly in children aged 2-10 years.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
clip11 wrote:
HIV aside, how does anyone explain outbreaks of diseases that affect almost exclusively homosexuals, almost unknown to heterosexuals such as: gay bowel syndrome, hepatitis A, scarlet fever?

It is pretty obvious. Anal sex and the fecal-oral route is not particularly healthy and makes it easier to contract a whole host of diseases. But scarlet fever does not occur almost exclusively in homosexuals by any means. Scarlet fever occus mostly in children aged 2-10 years.[/quote]

So you have to admit that homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle. Also, did you know the life expectancy of a homosexual man is about 20-25 years less than a heterosexual? Look at it this way, when was the last time you saw an old gay man?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.

Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.

If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.

I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs.

There’s plenty of proof (and there is certainly a non-neglible amount of heterosexuals in this country who contrac HIV each year) Statistics bear this out. Not hard to find. I’m not going to dig anything up. All reasonably intelligent people realize the importance of safe sex. I thought you were one of them but maybe not. Your friends are lucky. [/quote]

JS,

I think the real point is that the numbers demonstrate that HIV is far more prevalent in the gay community. Since the gay population comprises only perhaps 1%-3% of the population yet just under 70% of all reported HIV cases, we can clearly see that AIDS is in fact a gay disease. There is only a relatively small portion of the straight population effected. Those that are effected however are from gay men who have also had sex with straight women.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
And incidentally, this book was published in 1989 when HIV/AIDS was still primarily contracted by homosexuals. It has little relevance today where some 30+% of HIV/AIDS is contracted by heterosexual sex, 40 some % by homosexual sex, and the remainder by IV drug use, tainted blood transfusions or other means. [/quote]

And how many of those are women? Because we know women are much more at risk than a man relative to hetero sex.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
So you have to admit that homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle. Also, did you know the life expectancy of a homosexual man is about 20-25 years less than a heterosexual? Look at it this way, when was the last time you saw an old gay man?
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How is homosexuality an “unhealthy lifestyle”? I keep hearing these overgeneralizations, but nobody can point out how my partner and I are any less “healthy” than many straight couples.

My life expectancy is equal to many heterosexual men, and is significantly better than most, due to eating healthy, avoiding drugs/tobacco/excessive alcohol, and working out regularly.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank who is barely 19 wrote:

When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.

Sniff…sniff…what a wonderful little story…Then you ruined it.

Homosexuality is not a crime.

Actually it was a crime until sometime in the 1970’s about the time we gave up most of our morality. But…I don’t think it should be a crime as long as they stay away from children.

Homosexuality is natural…

Tell me what’s natural about one man climbing on the back of another man and inserting his penis in the mans asshole?

No…it’s quite unnatural.

You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.

I think I’m going to cry…that was beautiful man…(yawn)…anyway…For those who want to get help they can search out reparative therapy it’s got about a 33% chance of working. For those who are happy being homosexual I have no problem with that, but stop trying to play the marriage card because there is far too much promiscuity for such a thing.

Insightful as always, Troll28.

Hey…Wittle dusty is back at his parents computer…isn’t that cute. Now remember to put that special cushion back after get down from your fathers chair…you’re getting to be a really big boy, I bet someday soon you won’t need that cushion…run along now the adults are talking…go on…

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Oh there may be adults talking here, but you certainly aren’t one of them.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank who is barely 19 wrote:

When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.

Sniff…sniff…what a wonderful little story…Then you ruined it.

Homosexuality is not a crime.

Actually it was a crime until sometime in the 1970’s about the time we gave up most of our morality. But…I don’t think it should be a crime as long as they stay away from children.

Homosexuality is natural…

Tell me what’s natural about one man climbing on the back of another man and inserting his penis in the mans asshole?

No…it’s quite unnatural.

You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.

I think I’m going to cry…that was beautiful man…(yawn)…anyway…For those who want to get help they can search out reparative therapy it’s got about a 33% chance of working. For those who are happy being homosexual I have no problem with that, but stop trying to play the marriage card because there is far too much promiscuity for such a thing.

Insightful as always, Troll28.

Hey…Wittle dusty is back at his parents computer…isn’t that cute. Now remember to put that special cushion back after get down from your fathers chair…you’re getting to be a really big boy, I bet someday soon you won’t need that cushion…run along now the adults are talking…go on…

Oh there may be adults talking here, but you certainly aren’t one of them.

You’re a little punk, who thinks he actually has something significant to contribute. Over the next 10 years during the maturing process your opinion will change 5 or 6 times…now run along turd boy you have nothing to say that hasn’t already been stated by other immature idiots.
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If you didn’t constantly post inflammatory nonsense (hence your nickname) I wouldn’t call you on it.

Seriously, how many times are you going to post about the miracles of “reparative therapy” for gays? It doesn’t work, yet you will drag it out as valid argument to “cure” homosexuality.

And if I was to guess your age based on your sophomoric outbursts and personal attacks, I would say you were no more than 21 years old.

Furthermore, I have experienced more in the last two years than you will in your entire lifetime.

Run along Troll28, back to that cozy rock of yours.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank who is barely 19 wrote:

When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.

Sniff…sniff…what a wonderful little story…Then you ruined it.

Homosexuality is not a crime.

Actually it was a crime until sometime in the 1970’s about the time we gave up most of our morality. But…I don’t think it should be a crime as long as they stay away from children.

Homosexuality is natural…

Tell me what’s natural about one man climbing on the back of another man and inserting his penis in the mans asshole?

No…it’s quite unnatural.

You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.

I think I’m going to cry…that was beautiful man…(yawn)…anyway…For those who want to get help they can search out reparative therapy it’s got about a 33% chance of working. For those who are happy being homosexual I have no problem with that, but stop trying to play the marriage card because there is far too much promiscuity for such a thing.

Insightful as always, Troll28.

Hey…Wittle dusty is back at his parents computer…isn’t that cute. Now remember to put that special cushion back after get down from your fathers chair…you’re getting to be a really big boy, I bet someday soon you won’t need that cushion…run along now the adults are talking…go on…

Oh there may be adults talking here, but you certainly aren’t one of them.

You’re a little punk, who thinks he actually has something significant to contribute. Over the next 10 years during the maturing process your opinion will change 5 or 6 times…now run along turd boy you have nothing to say that hasn’t already been stated by other immature idiots.

If you didn’t constantly post inflammatory nonsense (hence your nickname) I wouldn’t call you on it.

Seriously, how many times are you going to post about the miracles of “reparative therapy” for gays? It doesn’t work, yet you will drag it out as valid argument to “cure” homosexuality.

And if I was to guess your age based on your sophomoric outbursts and personal attacks, I would say you were no more than 21 years old.

Furthermore, I have experienced more in the last two years than you will in your entire lifetime.

Run along Troll28, back to that cozy rock of yours.[/quote]

Dusty,

If I recall correctly you and Mick pulled this nonsense on another thread. In this case I think it was you who began the rock throwing, but either way it seems to me that you both need stop it, don’t you think?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
clip11 wrote:
So you have to admit that homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle. Also, did you know the life expectancy of a homosexual man is about 20-25 years less than a heterosexual? Look at it this way, when was the last time you saw an old gay man?

How is homosexuality an “unhealthy lifestyle”? I keep hearing these overgeneralizations, but nobody can point out how my partner and I are any less “healthy” than many straight couples.

My life expectancy is equal to many heterosexual men, and is significantly better than most, due to eating healthy, avoiding drugs/tobacco/excessive alcohol, and working out regularly.[/quote]

Overall is different than individual You never take individual stats and apply them to a sample size of you.